Trades and Free Agency - 2022 Off-season

[Fogelhund]

Marchment was the poster boy for our revamped development system with Barbara going out of her way to praise how far he came. The premise being proven false is perhaps correct but there is also no proof to show who Marchment was actually behind. His breakout in Florida proved that the calm hype surrounding his call-up was not exaggerated. None of those players listed excluding Mikheyev were penciled in as long term players for us so I don't think it's worth the time to even rank anyone. What is the difference in ranking for that group? Most likely insignificant.

Also, I'm not taking sides, but I will point out that if we are going to place Marchment behind the players listed above, you need to make sure none of the guys listed did not make the team due to a fraction of the reason being vets blocking them in the bottom 6. You only need to show that one got blocked. If Marchment is placed behind them, then logically that means he is blocked by vets too. That actually shows the dangers of rostering vets that shouldn't be on the roster. The odds of losing someone good increases when you get into the circumstance of having to group them with players like gauthier engvall timashov etc. and then only giving them 4 games to separate themselves. Maybe with 1 less useless vet he gets a game 5 and that game 5 was the one he flashes the potential.

Given you are sticking with this one useless vet narrative, go ahead and name the useless vets brought in for the 2019-20 season, that blocked Marchment.

Also what a weird premise to believe players aren’t assessed on their performance in the org for three years, except for their NHL games.

Given all these comments on him, I wonder, did anyone actually watch the Marlies very much at the time?

 

[BertCorbeau]

Marchment was near requiring waivers to be sent down, no?

 

[Fogelhund]

Marchment was near requiring waivers to be sent down, no?

I believe he needed to play 60 games in the NHL, to lose his waiver eligibility. He had played 4 at the time.

Based on age, he signed his first NHL contract at age 23, meaning he would have maintained waiver eligibility for three years, or 60 games.

If I'm reading this correctly.

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It doesn't appear as though we were going to lose him to waivers anytime soon though.

 

[All Mod Cons]

Marchment was near requiring waivers to be sent down, no?

Nope. Don't think so. Could be wrong though.

 

[All Mod Cons]

Marchment was the poster boy for our revamped development system with Barbara going out of her way to praise how far he came. The premise being proven false is perhaps correct but there is also no proof to show who Marchment was actually behind. His breakout in Florida proved that the calm hype surrounding his call-up was not exaggerated. None of those players listed excluding Mikheyev were penciled in as long term players for us so I don't think it's worth the time to even rank anyone. What is the difference in ranking for that group? Most likely insignificant.

Also, I'm not taking sides, but I will point out that if we are going to place Marchment behind the players listed above, you need to make sure none of the guys listed did not make the team due to a fraction of the reason being vets blocking them in the bottom 6. You only need to show that one got blocked. If Marchment is placed behind them, then logically that means he is blocked by vets too. That actually shows the dangers of rostering vets that shouldn't be on the roster. The odds of losing someone good increases when you get into the circumstance of having to group them with players like gauthier engvall timashov etc. and then only giving them 4 games to separate themselves. Maybe with 1 less useless vet he gets a game 5 and that game 5 was the one he flashes the potential.

That's one point that I always lean towards. When Kyle came in and talked about the "program" and the idea we could be overflowing with prospects, starting in the ECHL and going all the way through to the NHL sounded exciting. Practically impossible to be honest, very rare, but loved the idea.

We then actually had one player that did this. Unbelievable. How are we finding these guys? What a boon for the organization. Mason has a impactful Calder Cup run. Loved what he brought. About .5 points per game. Obviously not a points leader, but there were shifts that completely swung the tide.

And then he made it to the show. Lots of time and development from the club and lots of determination and effort from the player.

And then poof, he was gone.

For Denis Malgin.

 

[Dekes For Days]

Marchment was near requiring waivers to be sent down, no?

He would have required waivers to be sent down the following year. He in fact failed to make Florida's NHL team the following year and went through waivers, and anybody could have claimed him for free, which really puts the whole claim that we screwed up and let this gem go into perspective. He just wasn't very good, and he also would have been UFA before he had his "breakout" half season.

 

[tmlfan98]

He would have required waivers to be sent down the following year. He in fact failed to make Florida's NHL team the following year and went through waivers, and anybody could have claimed him for free, which really puts the whole claim that we screwed up and let this gem go into perspective. He just wasn't very good, and he also would have been UFA before he had his "breakout" half season.

Fake news. Mason Marchment has never been placed on waivers in his career.

 

[Dekes For Days]

Mason Marchment has never been placed on waivers in his career.

Yes he has. He went through waivers at the start of the 2020-2021 season when he went to the taxi squad.

 

[Fogelhund]

That's one point that I always lean towards. When Kyle came in and talked about the "program" and the idea we could be overflowing with prospects, starting in the ECHL and going all the way through to the NHL sounded exciting. Practically impossible to be honest, very rare, but loved the idea.

We then actually had one player that did this. Unbelievable. How are we finding these guys? What a boon for the organization. Mason has a impactful Calder Cup run. Loved what he brought. About .5 points per game. Obviously not a points leader, but there were shifts that completely swung the tide.

And then he made it to the show. Lots of time and development from the club and lots of determination and effort from the player.

And then poof, he was gone.

For Denis Malgin.

When you have a big bodied forward in your org, you do everything you can to develop them and keep them... even if they don't work out. They are kind of a unicorn in the league, at least useful ones. You should always try to have one in the system, and do what you can to keep them... you never know how it could turn out. Marchment was a pretty meh prospect when we traded him, but he shouldn't have been traded. We had plenty of better guys at the time, who were more developed... even after we traded him, he didn't show much until last year...

For these reasons, we need to continue to try and find Marchments, or a Douglas in any way we can, develop them, and keep them... same with Knies through the draft... just keep these guys.

 

[justashadowof]

Sandin has absolutely no leverage. He's likely holding on hope for an extra 300K

I wouldn't say no leverage but less than your average RFA who was a team regular the previous season. One injury on the Leafs' defense and Sandin's leverage skyrockets which means he does have some leverage.

 

[tmlfan98]

Yes he has. He went through waivers at the start of the 2020-2021 season when he went to the taxi squad.

Wrong again, Marchment wasnt waiver eligible until the 2021-22 season.

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Transaction log also shows your claim is fake.

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[Fogelhund]

NHL Free Agency: Florida Panthers Lose Mason Marchment to Dallas Stars

The Florida Panthers lost one of their biggest success stories on Wednesday as Mason Marchment left as a free agent to sign with the Dallas Stars after it was first reported a deal with Carolina was close to being done. Marchment, 27, had a breakthrough few seasons with Florida and parlayed that...

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Marchment started the 2021 season on the taxi squad — meaning he passed through waivers and could have been claimed by any other team — and found playing time sparse. But when he finally got in, he made an impact and quickly became a favorite of the coaching staff.

Strange, as I thought he wasn't eligible until 60 games, or the following year...

 

[tmlfan98]

NHL Free Agency: Florida Panthers Lose Mason Marchment to Dallas Stars

The Florida Panthers lost one of their biggest success stories on Wednesday as Mason Marchment left as a free agent to sign with the Dallas Stars after it was first reported a deal with Carolina was close to being done. Marchment, 27, had a breakthrough few seasons with Florida and parlayed that...

floridahockeynow.com

Marchment started the 2021 season on the taxi squad — meaning he passed through waivers and could have been claimed by any other team — and found playing time sparse. But when he finally got in, he made an impact and quickly became a favorite of the coaching staff.

Strange, as I thought he wasn't eligible until 60 games, or the following year...

This article has their info wrong. Payers who aren't waiver eligible don't have to pass through waivers to be placed on the taxi squad. This "Colby Guy" author must have misunderstood the taxi squad rules.

 

[Jozay]

Checked puck pedia, doesnt look like Marchment was ever waived to be put in the taxi squad.

 

[LeafChief]

Rodrigues signed with the Avs. 1 year 2 mill.

 

[Fogelhund]

Rodrigues signed with the Avs. 1 year 2 mill.

I posted the following in the Around the League thread.

As much as I might have preferred him over Kerfoot in the lineup, taking cap into consideration, his opportunity in Colorado is much more than we could have given him. This was the right move for him.

With Rodrigues signed, that really takes all of the useful UFA forwards off the table... so anyone looking to make changes now, is likely going to have to do it by trade, which starts to open up the window to move Kerfoot, if desired.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

I posted the following in the Around the League thread.

As much as I might have preferred him over Kerfoot in the lineup, taking cap into consideration, his opportunity in Colorado is much more than we could have given him. This was the right move for him.

With Rodrigues signed, that really takes all of the useful UFA forwards off the table... so anyone looking to make changes now, is likely going to have to do it by trade, which starts to open up the window to move Kerfoot, if desired.

Milano is still out there, but he doesn't bring the same qualities to the table. He is more of a guy to help us replace Kerfoot offensively than anything Kerfoot can do, but I think ZAR is already earmarked to do that if needed.

 

[Americanadian]

Rodrigues signed with the Avs. 1 year 2 mill.

If that’s all ERod could fetch on the open market it’s not a good sign for moving Kerfoot. He’s most likely a neutral asset at this point.

 

[Fogelhund]

If that’s all ERod could fetch on the open market it’s not a good sign for moving Kerfoot. He’s most likely a neutral asset at this point.

On the flip side, the only approximate UFA that could do what Kerfoot does, is off the table. (play wing, and C) As @SeaOfBlue pointed out, Milano is still out there, but for a team looking to upgrade, less options are available, likely making it easier to move Kerfoot, even if that return isn't that much.

 

[Duke16]

Yea, the Leafs are going to need to make cap room still, but the Holl route seems easier than Kerfoot.

With Kerfoot, he should in theory have played his way into an asset you can sell high on, but the market doesn't indicate that will happen. TOR would then need to look external for a mid 6 option who also comes cheaper, whether Milano or a different trade.

With Holl, TOR can just bring Sandin back into the fold more naturally at under $2M (will just need to figure out who plays right side) and then they can just roll with Mete/Benn/Dahlstrom as 7-9 to start. It will be easier to add a near league min 6-7th D early in the year if need be.

 

[Americanadian]

On the flip side, the only approximate UFA that could do what Kerfoot does, is off the table. (play wing, and C) As @SeaOfBlue pointed out, Milano is still out there, but for a team looking to upgrade, less options are available, likely making it easier to move Kerfoot, even if that return isn't that much.

Which teams can take his 3.5M that would want to right now? Keep in mind he has a 10 team NTC.

 

[rocketman588]

Rodrigues signed with the Avs. 1 year 2 mill.

Solid value

 

[Stephen]

On the flip side, the only approximate UFA that could do what Kerfoot does, is off the table. (play wing, and C) As @SeaOfBlue pointed out, Milano is still out there, but for a team looking to upgrade, less options are available, likely making it easier to move Kerfoot, even if that return isn't that much.

Kerfoot has probably become more important to the Leafs than the cap space earlier in the offseason. Back then you could plausibly sign a handful of cheaper contracts like Kessel, Rodrigues, Milano, whatever and pad out the middle of the forward group but now we have more certainty in Kerfoot and his versatility and 40-50 points than a roll of the dice.

 

[Stephen]

If that’s all ERod could fetch on the open market it’s not a good sign for moving Kerfoot. He’s most likely a neutral asset at this point.

He shouldn’t be. A 50 point player in his late 20s isn’t that bad at $3.5 million with one year left. Also likely to come in cheaper on a UFA re-sign than a Yanni Gourde, Jared McCann and whatever. For whatever reason he’s just an extremely unsexy player despite modest virtues.

 

[Fogelhund]

He shouldn’t be. A 50 point player in his late 20s isn’t that bad at $3.5 million with one year left. Also likely to come in cheaper on a UFA re-sign than a Yanni Gourde, Jared McCann and whatever. For whatever reason he’s just an extremely unsexy player despite modest virtues.

Which teams can take his 3.5M that would want to right now? Keep in mind he has a 10 team NTC.

Well, the formatting on this is weird... sorry.

@Stephen Sure, Kerfoot has some value, but when we look deep into things, he doesn't fit well with the Tavares, nor the Kampf line. He gets points, and has utility, but both lines are better with other players, than him on it.

Ideally you have
Robertson Tavares Nylander
Engvall Kampf Jarnkrok

Kerfoot is basically insurance in case Robertson isn't ready, because if Robertson is ready, Kerfoot really doesn't have a place here. (Or Shouldn't)

@Americanadian Keeping in mind, I don't see him fitting in any of the top three lines, if Robertson is ready... his choices will be fourth line duties in a Contract year, or a lesser team, in a bigger role. Take a look at Arizona's roster for example... he could play a pretty big role there, and they could probably trade him for some assets at the deadline.