Trades and Free Agency - 2022/2023 Trade Deadline Edition

[Eternal Leaf]

Prime Patrick Kane in this lineup would have been ridiculous.

The current version is decent and would still be a solid add cause that man is as clutch as they come under pressure. It has to be at a reasonable price though.

 

[ULF_55]

Already responded to this - this is a good question, as is the immediate follow up which would be to question why his production hasn’t increased with the quality of teammates this year.

Obviously, they aren't doing him any favors.

 

[SprDaVE]

I was on the Kane bandwagon early this season, but the injury concerns, mixed with his drop in production, mixed with his age, mixed with the cost to acquire. I just don’t see it.

Even if he’s not a pure rental, and we can re-sign him, I don’t know what to think about his longevity of effectiveness from here

While it has worked out with Gio, I wouldn’t bet on getting that lucky twice. And the risk is way higher, because even IF he commits to staying with us, he’s not doing it for anything approaching the sweetheart $800k Gio gave us

Price to acquire will probably reflect all that. If Kane tells the Hawks "I want to play for Toronto, make it happen" I think they'll let him chase another cup. Obviously NJD and Buffalo would be 2 teams that could just overpay but if Kane doesn't want to go there, they have to bend.

But I think just going from a very bad situation in Chicago to a contender with a ton of veterans and a good system, I think Kane could thrive. Way too talented and he's known to be pretty clutch offensively.

 

[ULF_55]

Kane would give the Leafs a huge offensive boost. Obviously he's not 2018 Patrick Kane but he could have Phil Kessel (Pittsburgh) level of value to the Leafs. He still got 26 goals and 92 points last season.

The big problem, and the main problem, is the cap space. Even at 75%, it's rough to fit.

If the Leafs can get him to a similar price that they paid to get Giordano, it would be interesting.

Don't see it happening eh?

He was holding out for the Rangers to come begging?

 

[kb]

Kane would give the Leafs a huge offensive boost. Obviously he's not 2018 Patrick Kane but he could have Phil Kessel (Pittsburgh) level of value to the Leafs. He still got 26 goals and 92 points last season.

The big problem, and the main problem, is the cap space. Even at 75%, it's rough to fit.

If the Leafs can get him to a similar price that they paid to get Giordano, it would be interesting.

Something is causing his steep decline in production. That plus his hip just raises too many red flags, especially if he is in steep decline that is not hip related.

 

[acrobaticgoalie]

Yea, we likely do lose Kerfoot as a UFA, but I think he’s still more valuable to us in the playoffs than Puljujarvi likely is this year.

JP is taller and heavier, but has never struck me as a guy who leverages that size at all. Maybe he plays pp2 which barely sees the ice. And I don’t see him overly tradeable - if he was, we’re not talking about Edmonton putting him on waivers.

Kerfoot is one of better playoff producers, slots in all around the lineup, one of our go to center options when injuries happen in the middle to move up, and a key penalty killer.

He does have 99 hits on the year to Kerfoot's 30

 

[Sypher04]

Price to acquire will probably reflect all that. If Kane tells the Hawks "I want to play for Toronto, make it happen" I think they'll let him chase another cup. Obviously NJD and Buffalo would be 2 teams that could just overpay but if Kane doesn't want to go there, they can have to bend.

But I think just going from a very bad situation in Chicago to a contender with a ton of veterans and a good system, I think Kane could thrive. Way too talented and he's known to be pretty clutch offensively.

Definitely possible. I just think to myself, if we’re giving up prime assets, and let’s not kid ourselves, we would be, I’d want him signed and I just have a hard time picturing how that plays out. It feels risky in a number of ways

 

[SprDaVE]

Something is causing his steep decline in production. That plus his hip just raises too many red flags, especially if he is in steep decline and it is not hip related.

He just put up his 3rd best offensive year last year with 92 points. Next best forward was Debrincat with 78 points. Not sure I'd give in that he's completely declined.

He's struggled this year and there are some concerns, but that team is putrid bad and I would not be surprised to see him bounce back if/when traded. He still leads his team in scoring.

 

[Sypher04]

My concern too is Kane would represent us most likely blowing all our cap space on one move, while not improving the 3rd line at all. I’m not sure that’s the play, as much as I’d like a big name addition like everyone else

 

[TheDoldrums]

Be still my beating heart. I'm still okay with YOLOing a Meier trade for Knies, Niemela, 1st, etc. He's the only forward on the market I'm positive would provide a massive impact.

 

[ErnieLeafs]

He's pretty much Dryden Hunt with a tiny bit more offence, which isn't saying much. He's very replaceable and forgettable.

The team is looking at improving. Jones doesn't improve anything.

He would play a Dryden Hunt role, sure. But as a 4th line guy who can disrupt the opposition and be generally awful to play against in a physical sense, he replaces Simmonds on your 4th line with fresher legs.

I’d rather Comtois, myself. But adding some snarl to line 4 for cheap should be looked into

 

[TMLAM34]

He would play a Dryden Hunt role, sure. But as a 4th line guy who can disrupt the opposition and be generally awful to play against in a physical sense, he replaces Simmonds on your 4th line with fresher legs.

I’d rather Comtois, myself. But adding some snarl to line 4 for cheap should be looked into

We already have Aston Reese who does the same job for cheaper. Jones literally makes no sense. Someone like Miles Wood would make more sense if New Jersey looks at clearing some cap to add Meier.

 

[SprDaVE]

 

[X66]

Kane would give the Leafs a huge offensive boost. Obviously he's not 2018 Patrick Kane but he could have Phil Kessel (Pittsburgh) level of value to the Leafs. He still got 26 goals and 92 points last season.

The big problem, and the main problem, is the cap space. Even at 75%, it's rough to fit.

If the Leafs can get him to a similar price that they paid to get Giordano, it would be interesting.

The other thing is, I don't care about him at 5 on 5, even though I think he can show more than he has this year...but if he could make the PP work in the playoffs, that alone is worth the acquisition.

 

[kb]

He just put up his 3rd best offensive year last year with 92 points. Next best forward was Debrincat with 78 points. Not sure I'd give in that he's completely declined.

He's struggled this year and there are some concerns, but that team is putrid bad and I would not be surprised to see him bounce back if/when traded. He still leads his team in scoring.

I just hope some other team ponies up, not the Leafs.

 

[Martin Skoula]

This whole saga reads like he’s just looking for some fun for a few months before settling down in Chicago and going through the motions on a retirement deal.

If he was hungry for a cup above all else, the “I’m not sure if I want to be moved, I’ll let you know a week before the deadline maybe” stuff would never happen, nor would he be whining about NYR not waiting for him when more serious contenders are still looking to add.

I can see someone paying a 1st+ for him only to have him take a hit in round one and have him say he’s not sure if he wants to play the next game blaming his hips.

I was on the Kane train at the start of the year but if you’re getting a passenger and not the win-at-all costs guy he probably hurts more than he helps.

 

[Fogelhund]

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[acrobaticgoalie]

Something is causing his steep decline in production. That plus his hip just raises too many red flags, especially if he is in steep decline that is not hip related.

At the moment his linemates are Tyler Johnson and Jason Dickinson as opposed to Debricat and Strome last year.

Still on pace for 62 pts playing with 2 bottom 6ers

 

[Fogelhund]

At the moment his linemates are Tyler Johnson and Jason Dickinson as opposed to Debricat and Strome last year.

Still on pace for 62 pts playing with 2 bottom 6ers

That's a line that's played together for 13 minutes this year....

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[SprDaVE]

I just hope some other team ponies up, not the Leafs.

I sense a theme here.

 

[dubplatepressure]

Be still my beating heart. I'm still okay with YOLOing a Meier trade for Knies, Niemela, 1st, etc. He's the only forward on the market I'm positive would provide a massive impact.

Completely agree.

 

[X66]

Yes, Kane's underlying numbers have been trash this year...

BUT

He's still playing at a 60 point pace.

The hope for me would be, coming to a good team will go back to his legs for a run and he can be insulated way better so his defensive shortcomings won't be as bad.

 

[the real Fox mulder]

Is there anyway in hell that Dubas could get both Meier and Chychrun. Dubas would have to trade this year and next year first. Also Knies and Sandin would both be gone and in addition to extra picks and prospects. The cost would be huge but Chychrun wouldn't be a rental and Meier is RFA. Dubas would have to do some magic in the summer to make the cap work. This would be a pipe dream, but would any of you folks do it.

 

[kb]

I sense a theme here.

Yep, I don't want the Leafs to lose a first for 1/3 of a season of Kane. Because with the retention required, that will be the minimum price.

There are far better choices IMO. He's a one dimensional player not exactly lighting up that one dimension.

At the moment his linemates are Tyler Johnson and Jason Dickinson as opposed to Debricat and Strome last year.

Still on pace for 62 pts playing with 2 bottom 6ers

That's a line that's played together for 13 minutes this year....

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13 minutes together? lol

 

[SprDaVE]

Is there anyway in hell that Dubas could get both Meier and Chychrun. Dubas would have to trade this year and next year first. Also Knies and Sandin would both be gone and in addition to extra picks and prospects. The cost would be huge but Chychrun wouldn't be a rental and Meier is RFA. Dubas would have to do some magic in the summer to make the cap work. This would be a pipe dream, but would any of you folks do it.

I would seriously doubt it. That's a ton of assets that the Leafs just don't have unless they mortgage everything they have.

1 of the 2 makes sense to a certain degree.