Confirmed with Link: Trade with the Washington Capitals, Beck Malenstyn for 2nd round (#43)

[OkimLom]

Low event player with the puck.
High event player without the puck.

In other words; send Beck out and it will be a hard shift for the team with the puck.

 

[TheBarnIsElectric]

This isn’t capturing the role he played at all. Guy was playing probably among the toughest defensive matchup role of any forward in the NHL. He’s a very strong defensive addition.

According to the card, he had only slightly above average match ups among forwards. WAR also takes competition into account.

 

[Zman5778]

According to the card, he had only slightly above average match ups among forwards. WAR also takes competition into account.

Does WAR take into account the fact that he started 90% of his shifts in the defensive zone? (honest question, I have no idea)

 

[TheBarnIsElectric]

Does WAR take into account the fact that he started 90% of his shifts in the defensive zone? (honest question, I have no idea)

I don't know either.

I'm open to the fact that there's additional context that explains the stats. I didn't present the stats as if they were the whole story.

That doesn't change the fact that he doesn't have a track record of positive results at this level though . Same as saying Levi shouldn't be relied on last year because he did not have that track record yet. I just would have preferred spending a 2nd on a guy who looked good by eye and metrics for more than a year.

 

[jcbeze]

Free acquisition. We got the same player 14th that we probably wanted at 11 anyway.

11th for 14th and Malenstyn is more than ok

 

[KrakenSabresMike]

Sooo…I didn’t realize his 21 points was more than tanner jeannot scored last year and the year before. I know tanner has 24g once but … hmmm that is interesting,

LA fans don’t seem to happy with their acquisition from the few pages I read. Not saying we should throw a parade but I’d prob rather have this possibly ascending player than the alternative

 

[slip]

Don't really like the cost for a player with only one year of team control. Guess it depends on what kind of contract they sign him to.

I could really get behind something in the range of 4 years 6.5-7 million total.

 

[K8fool]

Great. 241 hits 93 blk shots in 14 plus minutes a night 81 games.

1 down , 4 more player additions to go

 

[SnuggaRUDE]

I don't believe there are any publicly available statistics which give WAR based upon match ups or deployment. I suspect some teams have developed ones in house which do.

 

[CowbellConray]

I really can’t find a comparable player to
him last year other than his direct linemates.

Maybe Casey cizikas, but he had 29% o-zone starts which obviously was higher than Beck (9%)

For his o-zone starts, Beck putting up 21 ES points is absolutely shocking. Add in his physical chops, his speed, and I see why we
Overpaid slightly for him. I think he has upside. I remember when Goodrow was brought in to Tampa from San Jose for a 1st rounder. He was crucial to their cup win.
You get him locked down to a 3 or 4 year deal, and hope he can maybe reach that Nick Paul leve. At worst, he is a prime 4th line guy to plug in for the next few years

 

[Dingo44]

Rather have Beck Malenstyn than Scott Laughton.

 

[dasaybz]

Somebody traded a first for Gaustad. Just sayin.

 

[wunderpanda]

like the player, even if he chooses arbitration the sabres can flip him at the deadline for a 2nd

 

[Fjordy]

I think it looks good considering what I read about him. Very fast and very physical and all of these Jfresh metrics unfortunately don't reflect his true value due to his massive number of starts in the DZone. I like this move. Devils traded Holtz + Akira for Cotter + 3rd so physical guys like that are valuable in the league.

 

[Jage]

Adams trades a second for a fourth line player who hits, speed, great defense, pks, with some offensive upside - “adams is a joke he is stupid this team sucks”

"Kevyn Adams, do something! The worst GM in this millenia, do something!

...

"Don't do that! Idiot! Truly the worst GM"

 

[Jacob582]

I think it looks good considering what I read about him. Very fast and very physical and all of these Jfresh metrics unfortunately don't reflect his true value due to his massive number of starts in the DZone. I like this move. Devils traded Holtz + Akira for Cotter + 3rd Holtz and Akira so physical guys like that are valuable in the league.

We could of had Cotter instead for Quinn and Levi !

 

[Fjordy]

We could of had Cotter instead for Quinn and Levi !

Well, I'm not sure they're equal players. Quinn definitely seems like a better player than Holtz. Does Holtz have some kind of skating issues or something at the NHL level? Akira is 24 and Levi seems more promising for me.

 

[Old Navy Goat]

Well, I'm not sure they're equal players. Quinn definitely seems like a better player than Holtz. Does Holtz have some kind of skating issues or something at the NHL level? Akira is 24 and Levi seems more promising for me.

Holtz suffers from Hossa syndrome, but instead of being allergic to his equipment he's allergic to the defensive zone

 

[debaser66]

Good choice, but its not enough, he plays at wing or C ?
Get a Top6 guy, and 2 more vets for the bottom6.
Rather sacrifice more picks and prospects than overpay in FA

 

[Jacob582]

Well, I'm not sure they're equal players. Quinn definitely seems like a better player than Holtz. Does Holtz have some kind of skating issues or something at the NHL level? Akira is 24 and Levi seems more promising for me.

Yes, Levi is definitively better and while Holtz was drafted right before Quinn, Devils fans have been including him in every trade proposal for a couple years.

 

[Chainshot]

Holtz suffers from Hossa syndrome, but instead of being allergic to his equipment he's allergic to the defensive zone

Thought you were going to compare him to Marcel.

 

[TheBarnIsElectric]

Not trying to be a jerk or a naysayer, just passing along interesting info on the player.

Given the responses to the JFresh card saying we should take his metrics with a grain of salt because he played tough minutes, here's the two linemates he played with all year:

While Malentstyn's EV Defence was very low (25%), his two linemates both measured out very favorably on the same metric.

Hockeyviz also shows very similar results, btw.

Again, not saying the stats are everything, but they do make me question how smart of a pickup this was, if I'm being honest.

 

[GOALOFSSON]

Not trying to be a jerk or a naysayer, just passing along interesting info on the player.

Given the responses to the JFresh card saying we should take his metrics with a grain of salt because he played tough minutes, here's the two linemates he played with all year:

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While Malentstyn's EV Defence was very low (25%), his two linemates both measured out very favorably on the same metric.

Hockeyviz also shows very similar results, btw.

Again, not saying the stats are everything, but they do make me question how smart of a pickup this was, if I'm being honest.

There was a post maybe a few pages back that may kind of explain the reasons for this

Page 11

 

[TheBarnIsElectric]

There was a post maybe a few pages back that may kind of explain the reasons for this

Page 11

Missed that. Thank you

 

[TehDoak]

Free acquisition. We got the same player 14th that we probably wanted at 11 anyway.

11th for 14th and Malenstyn is more than ok

If you find $20 on the street and then spend it all on a $2 candy bar,

Did you get a free candy bar or just set $18 on fire?