Rumor: Trade Thread XVII: Callahan's Reckoning.

[yrrebbor]

Has anyone offered Cally anything yet?

 

[cacchioli22]

I think Chris Stewart as an acquisition would be interesting and potentially beneficial for this team if it was entirely independent of anything to do with Callahan.

Fans would naturally develop unfair expectations for this player. Inconsistent, definitely not "toff", but definitely has talent. That type of return for our beloved Captain will already start Stewart with a leg down in the fans eyes.

Very good point I agree I do feel he would be a fine asset for our team as he thrived in Colorado in a fast paced system so who knows just hoping if traded we get fair value

 

[xander]

Something like Matt Dumba or Jason Zucker and a conditional first round pick if he signs an extension with Minnesota?

Has anyone offered Cally anything yet?

reports are that Sather offered him 5 for $30m.

 

[BarbaraAlphanse]

Has anyone offered Cally anything yet?

The local hot dog stand guy proclaimed "Callahan and Girardi! Free hotdogs... for life!" [If extended]... but then stipulated "No drinks"... he couldn't do it.

 

[donpaulo]

Its looking that Callahan takes his demands to UFA where he can bank in on his last contract. More power to him, the guy bled blue and represented NY very well.

His take no shift off style and proven leadership will attract teams lacking those qualities.

These are the teams that come to mind

Buffalo
Florida
Cbus
NYI
Calgary
Edmonton
Winnipeg

as far as being a rental player I think every team would be interested in having Ryan Callahan for a playoff push

 

[Thirty One]

The local hot dog stand guy proclaimed "Callahan and Girardi! Free hotdogs... for life!" [If extended]... but then stipulated "No drinks"... he couldn't do it.

Are you vetted?

 

[Kwayry]

Something like Matt Dumba or Jason Zucker and a conditional first round pick if he signs an extension with Minnesota?

According to Brooks who is a local scribe with contacts inside the org, the "or" should be an "and"

Sather must perform his due diligence and be aggressive about it. Girardi, who doesn’t turn 30 until late April, is as high-end a rental property as has gone on the market since Ilya Kovalchuk in 2010, if not Marian Hossa in 2008. The Rangers have every right — and every obligation — to demand a package of two “A†prospects, maybe already in the NHL or maybe not, plus a draft pick in return for Girardi.

http://nypost.com/2014/01/06/sather-must-decide-is-dealing-girardi-best-for-rangers/

 

[Leetch3]

Sather put himself in an even worse position by doing this deadline. No team is desperate enough yet to be as desperate as he wants them.

He removed a lot of leverage from himself if he goes through with this self-imposed deadline.

what are you talking about? sather didn't make a self-imposed deadline....league set a trade freeze before the olympics and then there is very little time between that and the real trade deadline. and then guess what you can't trade a pending ufa after the trade deadline until the summer when you'll be lucky to get a mid round pick.

you act like sather just randomly picked next friday. he waited till the last possible minute to do something and now the LEAGUE imposed deadlines are forcing him to make a move or lose him for nothing

do you honestly think that callahan's agent doesn't know when the trade freeze is?

 

[HFsNumber1Heel]

A couple of observations before I go to bed;

I don't understand this whole notion that the Rangers won't get fair value for Cally if they have to trade him. Look what Clowe and Pomminville fetched last year. This hard deadline may be just a negotiating tactic. They don't have to trade him then. They have a few days after the Olympic break. If anything, if teams like Anaheim and SJ continue to struggle scoring, it'll sweeten the pot.

And this whole "because it's the Rangers teams are gonna try and lowball" is silly also. There are four primary scorers on the table. Vanek has the most value, followed by Cally, then Moulson, then Cammaleri. Devils aren't trading Jagr, and the Wings aren't trading Alfie.

If the market is off this year, that's a different story, but someone has to set it and the dominoes will fall.

 

[TheTakedown]

A couple of observations before I go to bed;

I don't understand this whole notion that the Rangers won't get fair value for Cally if they have to trade him. Look what Clowe and Pomminville fetched last year. This hard deadline may be just a negotiating tactic. They don't have to trade him then. They have a few days after the Olympic break. If anything, if teams like Anaheim and SJ continue to struggle scoring, it'll sweeten the pot.

And this whole "because it's the Rangers teams are gonna try and lowball" is silly also. There are four primary scorers on the table. Vanek has the most value, followed by Cally, then Moulson, then Cammaleri. Devils aren't trading Jagr, and the Wings aren't trading Alfie.

If the market is off this year, that's a different story, but someone has to set it and the dominoes will fall.

Good insight. The thought of acquiring Moulson is an enticing thought. Cammaleri too...

An NHL ready player, an A prospect, and either a pick or a B prospect.. I think that's a realistic return for Callahan. This isn't a 4th line scrub were talking about

 

[xander]

A couple of observations before I go to bed;

And this whole "because it's the Rangers teams are gonna try and lowball" is silly also. There are four primary scorers on the table. Vanek has the most value, followed by Cally, then Moulson, then Cammaleri. Devils aren't trading Jagr, and the Wings aren't trading Alfie.

If the market is off this year, that's a different story, but someone has to set it and the dominoes will fall.

This is good analysis.

 

[TheTakedown]

So, now Callahan wants more than Richards get's per year? I get that Richards' contract is illegal at this point, but seriously?!...

Anyway, here's a roster I threw together on Capgeek. It is most likely what our team looks like next year, maybe swap a few of the 2nd or 3rd line players out:


CAPGEEK.COM ARMCHAIR GM ROSTER
CapGeek Armchair GM Roster
FORWARDS
Rick Nash ($7.800m) / Derek Stepan ($3.075m) / Chris Kreider ($1.100m)
Carl Hagelin ($2.250m) / Paul Stastny ($7.500m) / Chris Stewart ($4.150m)
Benoit Pouliot ($1.400m) / Derick Brassard ($3.700m) / Mats Zuccarello ($3.800m)
Daniel Carcillo ($1.000m) / Dominic Moore ($1.100m) / Brian Boyle ($2.500m)
DEFENSEMEN
Ryan McDonagh ($4.700m) / Dan Girardi ($5.500m)
Marc Staal ($3.975m) / Anton Stralman ($2.700m)
John Moore ($1.200m) / Kevin Klein ($2.900m)
GOALTENDERS
Henrik Lundqvist ($8.500m)
Cameron Talbot ($0.563m)
BUYOUTS
Wade Redden ($0.000m)
Brad Richards ($0.000m)
BURIED
Derek Dorsett ($0.708m)
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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(estimations for 2014-15)
SALARY CAP: $71,100,000; CAP PAYROLL: $70,120,833; BONUSES: $0
CAP SPACE (20-man roster): $979,167

Still think one of Boyle, Dorsett, Moore, or Carcillo gets dealt. I want to see how the 4th line performs with a Carcillo-Moore-Dorsett combo first. I love Boyle, he has the heart, and that's great, but Dorsett is definitely the more skilled player.

I applied a buyout for Richards, and signed Statsny for $7.5M... personally, I think it's just a better deal to keep Brad Richards. I understand it is a risk, but I don't see what Statsny will bring to the table (other than this supposed chemistry with Stewart, which is pretty much speculation) that Brad hasn't brought, at $1M cheaper per year

For every one of the free agents that we have, I applied a small raise, with the exception of Zucc, who went up to 3.8M. Note that there would also be room (albeit VERY tight) to sign a 7th Defenseman such as Falk again. For the 4th liners, I applied their QO's.

This team is talented as is, and I don't see much need to change it. A few MINOR tweaks here and there, maybe a small upgrade (or even side-grade for some of the very minor problems) would be acceptable, but the core guys need to stay:
McD
G
Zucc
Staal
Stepan
Kreider
Nash

You hope that one day we can trade up to an elite 2nd line winger, and an average 3rd line winger (unless Stewart is actually one of those, again I'm not familiar with him)

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

$7.5M for Paul ****ing Stastny?

 

[TheTakedown]

$7.5M for Paul ****ing Stastny?

that's what everyone seems to think he'll get in Free Agency, which is why I keep insisting we keep Richards at $6.6M

I think it's a ****ing waste of time going after Statsny, and we have no idea whether or not he wants to re-sign in COL... Personally, it seems to be "turnover for the sake of turnover"...

 

[Kokoschka]

A couple of observations before I go to bed;

I don't understand this whole notion that the Rangers won't get fair value for Cally if they have to trade him. Look what Clowe and Pomminville fetched last year. This hard deadline may be just a negotiating tactic. They don't have to trade him then. They have a few days after the Olympic break. If anything, if teams like Anaheim and SJ continue to struggle scoring, it'll sweeten the pot.

And this whole "because it's the Rangers teams are gonna try and lowball" is silly also. There are four primary scorers on the table. Vanek has the most value, followed by Cally, then Moulson, then Cammaleri. Devils aren't trading Jagr, and the Wings aren't trading Alfie.

If the market is off this year, that's a different story, but someone has to set it and the dominoes will fall.

This is a very good point. You're setting two deadlines, keeping the 2nd deadline a secret. You're making the GMs' believe you're gonna sell before the first and see if one chickens out. Then you still have the real deadline as an insurance. Good for Sather if that was his idea. I'm not convinced by this theory though.

 

[RangerBoy]

Unless Girardi gets exactly what he wants,he will probably test free agency. Craig Custance wrote Newport is content to take G to the open market in the morning. Later in the day Dreger said if G doesn't re-sign this week that will indicate to the Rangers that G is looking at free agency.

 

[Ola]

Are we talking an extended Callahan or a rental Callahan? Detroit has Tatar and Jurco that I'd also be interested in. Columbus has Rychel, Wenneberg that I'd be interested in. Anaheim has Palmieri, Kerdiles, and Rakell that would be good gets. LA has Clifford and Pearson that would be good gets. SJ has Nieto and Wingels that I'd want back.

Lots of options.

I don't know all those names that well, but the Swedes are behind both Fast and Lindberg and I would not deal JT Miller for Palmieri (I would do Lindberg though).

Etem is a player that is mentioned a lot. And sure, he actually has some potential. But a lot of bust potential too. From m point of view we have 13 NHL forwards + Miller. Fast and Lindberg on the farm. I don't have a good track of all kids outside the NHL, but whenever I hear a name mentioned that I know, it's someone way behind Lindberg and Fast (Rakell/Wenneberg/Rask) or guys that really seem to be more of what we already have plenty of (Palmieri).

What quality are the options we are talking about?

Stewert? Yeah, there are at least some positives with him. But when looking at his stats, it's easy to remember that he is a bit of a Big Buff up front. The stats are there along with his cap hit, but Wolski had the stats too. I don't frequently watch STL, but several times when I've seen them Stewert has not been one bit better than Wolski ever was here in NY. He has even been worse.

With that said, I have no reason to count him out completely. Why should I? Who knows how he would react coming to NY. Playing with Zucc and Brass or Richards.

We need to make the decision that is best for this org. One option is keeping Cally. Could definitely be the best option. Over paying an established player, that happens to be your captain, might not be that bad. On all accounts, Cally would take a fairly decent deal here in NY. Add a mil and a half to what people think is fair and a couple of years and a deal is in place. That's money Slats can save on the 4th line.

 

[jniklast]

Unless Girardi gets exactly what he wants,he will probably test free agency. Craig Custance wrote Newport is content to take G to the open market in the morning. Later in the day Dreger said if G doesn't re-sign this week that will indicate to the Rangers that G is looking at free agency.

Where those numbers reported last week false? Because it seems incredible, that a $2M total difference over five years could break that deal.

 

[RangerBoy]

A couple of observations before I go to bed;

I don't understand this whole notion that the Rangers won't get fair value for Cally if they have to trade him. Look what Clowe and Pomminville fetched last year. This hard deadline may be just a negotiating tactic. They don't have to trade him then. They have a few days after the Olympic break. If anything, if teams like Anaheim and SJ continue to struggle scoring, it'll sweeten the pot.

And this whole "because it's the Rangers teams are gonna try and lowball" is silly also. There are four primary scorers on the table. Vanek has the most value, followed by Cally, then Moulson, then Cammaleri. Devils aren't trading Jagr, and the Wings aren't trading Alfie.

If the market is off this year, that's a different story, but someone has to set it and the dominoes will fall.

Callahan breaks a hand blocking a shot in the Olympics.

Since August,Callahan hasn't budged on his contract demands.

 

[RangerBoy]

Where those numbers reported last week false? Because it seems incredible, that a $2M total difference over five years could break that deal.

It was 6 years at $5.2M or 5 years at $5.7M. Girardi wants 6 years and $5.5M. He can get a 7th year in free agency. Maybe Girardi isn't interested in splitting the difference. Unless they give exactly what he wants,no deal. The tone has changed from last week. He will get more in free agency.

 

[jniklast]

It was 6 years at $5.2M or 5 years at $5.7M. Girardi wants 6 years and $5.5M. He can get a 7th year in free agency. Maybe Girardi isn't interested in splitting the difference. Unless they give exactly what he wants,no deal. The tone has changed from last week. He will get more in free agency.

Ok, so it's $1.8M over 6 years. That's even less. The Rangers cannot let him walk over that difference.

 

[RangerBoy]

that's what everyone seems to think he'll get in Free Agency, which is why I keep insisting we keep Richards at $6.6M

I think it's a ****ing waste of time going after Statsny, and we have no idea whether or not he wants to re-sign in COL... Personally, it seems to be "turnover for the sake of turnover"...

Richards is signed until he is 40 and subject to recapture.

 

[RangerBoy]

Ok, so it's $1.8M over 6 years. That's even less. The Rangers cannot let him walk over that difference.

Obviously something is going on. Maybe Newport wants a 7th year. The original report was Girardi wanted 7 years at $5.4M-$5.5M. Then the report was Girardi was amendable to 6 with the Rangers preferring 5. Maybe Girardi wants more money than $5.5M for 6.

 

[RangerBoy]

The Rangers contacted teams in the west to gather intel on Stewart. All teams do that. Someone told Dreger about the Rangers asking around about Stewart.

 

[Punxrocknyc19*]

The Rangers contacted teams in the west to gather intel on Stewart. All teams do that. Someone told Dreger about the Rangers asking around about Stewart.

i wont be shocked if its something like


Stewart and Jackman for Boyle and Callahan


flips Girardi to somewhere for prospects and picks