Rumor: Trade Thread XVII: Callahan's Reckoning.

[Cassano]

Does it?

Now we have 7 dmen.

Trade one for a forward!

This isn't a video game. The team is showing chemistry, 4 lines consistant for like a month now. No need to make a lot of moves.

Which team? Certainly not our team.

3rd line grinder for a top 4 RH PPQB is a good move in my books.

But it's true. It would've made sense before the Klein trade, but Klein acquisition handicaps a move for a true PMD unfortunately.

I'd be fine with 1st and 2nd round picks. Hopefully the team does add a different RWer at the deadline though at a reduced cost. Stempniak for a 3rd or something. At this point in time, for this team, I think the difference between Callahan and Stempniak would be negligible. Similar to the Sharks movement of Clowe for Torres.

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[Savant]

It's all on Twitter. That's why I asked where these rumors are coming from

Looking at Twitter rumors is just like staring at the sun. I'd advise against it.

 

[Hire Sather]

That's true. It would've made sense before the Klein trade, but Klein acquisition handicaps a move for a true PMD unfortunately.

I'd be fine with 1st and 2nd round picks. Hopefully the team does add a different RWer at the deadline though at a reduced cost. Stempniak for a 3rd or something. At this point in time, for this team, I think the difference between Callahan and Stempniak would be negligible. Similar to the Sharks movement of Clowe for Torres.

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I doubt someone would give a 1st and a 2nd. Value wise for a UFA thats clearly a good return but I just don't know about getting rid of him. Its really concerning to me to move the team captain and one of the longest standing Rangers in the middle of the season. This team has shown a lot of promise recently. 4 lines all showing chemistry and consistant play.

 

[Callagraves]

Let's say I'm wrong & he's a 2RW.

He's not worth, nor is he going to be paid like, an above average 1RW... So what difference does it make? He has to be moved... Or lose him for nothing.

3rd option: He and Sather come to a deal.

If I can also point out that this argument isn't whether or not to deal him, it's what we're willing to deal him for.

So far, no Rangers fan has really expressed a reasonable deal we'd be happy to move Cally for. No team is going to offer what we want for a rental, and no team that's willing to meet that contract demand is going to give up pieces we want. It's a bit of a catch-22.

If all we can get is Stewart+ a late pick, I'd rather keep him and do what we can this year. If we are offered a significant package that we can't turn down, well, we can't turn it down.

 

[SupersonicMonkey*]

Not a snowball's chance in hell we'd give up Nieto alone for Callahan.

Personally, I have absolutely no interest in Callahan, but he seems like a DW player. However, the best you can hope for is basically what you gave up for Clowe last season: two 2nd rounders (and probably a cap dump because we can't afford Callahan as is). He would be a pure rental for us since there's no chance at all that he'd re-sign with us (nor would we give him the outlandish contract he's supposedly seeking).



Let me go find a barf-bag. Don't even mention Hertl. Jeez.

Didn't mention Hertl.

And this is a classic case of "give up one of your top players for our garbage".

Callahan isn't going to return garbage. Especially not a signed Callahan, if his agent has a chance to negotiate with a team.

There is a HUGE difference between Callahan and Clowe. They aren't in the same spectrum. Clowe is a 4th line player. Who had several concussions by the time the Rangers traded for him. Callahan is still in his prime, despite some injuries.

One of Nieto or Wingles would most definitely be discussed by NHL GMs. The peripheral pieces would be one/two prospects or one prospect + pick. And a salary dump.

 

[Savant]

Hopefully the team does add a different RWer at the deadline though at a reduced cost.

I agree. Guys like Stempniak and Setoguchi will be available for cheap and you can roll the dice there, which is one of the reasons I would be looking hard for a C or LW for Callahan.

 

[LiveLongandProspal]

Looking at Twitter rumors is just like staring at the sun. I'd advise against it.

Well, it needs to originate somewhere, no?





Well, actually it doesn't, but yeah

 

[Callagraves]

Not a snowball's chance in hell we'd give up Nieto alone for Callahan.

Personally, I have absolutely no interest in Callahan, but he seems like a DW player. However, the best you can hope for is basically what you gave up for Clowe last season: two 2nd rounders (and probably a cap dump because we can't afford Callahan as is). He would be a pure rental for us since there's no chance at all that he'd re-sign with us (nor would we give him the outlandish contract he's supposedly seeking).



Let me go find a barf-bag. Don't even mention Hertl. Jeez.

...Thanks for reminding me we gave up 2 2nd rounders for about 9 games of Ryan Clowe

God damn it.

 

[Cassano]

I doubt someone would give a 1st and a 2nd. Value wise for a UFA thats clearly a good return but I just don't know about getting rid of him. Its really concerning to me to move the team captain and one of the longest standing Rangers in the middle of the season. This team has shown a lot of promise recently. 4 lines all showing chemistry and consistant play.

Besides last night's win, Callahan isn't a major part of the Rangers recent surge. He's nothing more than a passenger on this roster.

 

[Gardner McKay]

Didn't mention Hertl.

And this is a classic case of "give up one of your top players for our garbage".

Callahan isn't going to return garbage. Especially not a signed Callahan, if his agent has a chance to negotiate with a team.

There is a HUGE difference between Callahan and Clowe. They aren't in the same spectrum. Clowe is a 4th line player. Who had several concussions by the time the Rangers traded for him. Callahan is still in his prime, despite some injuries.

One of Nieto or Wingles would most definitely be discussed by NHL GMs. The peripheral pieces would be one/two prospects or one prospect + pick. And a salary dump.

Clowe was a good forward for a long time. HE was not a 4th line player his entire career. Callahan has had several injuries as well.

I think Nieto + is realistic.

 

[Savant]

Well, it needs to originate somewhere, no?





Well, actually it doesn't, but yeah

I've been burned too many times on Twitter for soccer rumors. I learned my lesson the hard way haha. I only look at it if its from a newspaper writer or a reputable TV guy.

 

[Callagraves]

Didn't mention Hertl.

And this is a classic case of "give up one of your top players for our garbage".

Callahan isn't going to return garbage. Especially not a signed Callahan, if his agent has a chance to negotiate with a team.

There is a HUGE difference between Callahan and Clowe. They aren't in the same spectrum. Clowe is a 4th line player. Who had several concussions by the time the Rangers traded for him. Callahan is still in his prime, despite some injuries.

One of Nieto or Wingles would most definitely be discussed by NHL GMs. The peripheral pieces would be one/two prospects or one prospect + pick. And a salary dump.

Earlier in his career, Clowe was a fantastic and valuable player, who scored like a top-six player, hit like a truck, and could throw fists with anyone.

He was never fast, and that caught up with him in a really mean way though.

 

[Hire Sather]

Besides last night's win, Callahan isn't a major part of the Rangers recent surge. He's nothing more than a passenger on this roster.

He may not have been and I understand and agree his role has deminished, but he will contribute.

He will PK. He will be the RW on the ice in the final minute trying to hold a lead while the other team has their goalie pulled.

Then you add in the fact that hes the team captain. What does it do the room? I have no idea. But it concerns me.

What he brings can be replaced down the line, but if we're just getting draft picks (and I highly doubt we can get a 1st, nevermind a first AND a 2nd... then again Paul Gaustad fetched a 1st.. so who knows) then it could damage our chances at a run this season.

 

[Trxjw]

...Thanks for reminding me we gave up 2 2nd rounders for about 9 games of Ryan Clowe

God damn it.

We gave up one. The other 2nd was conditional. We gave up a 2nd last year, a spare 3rd last year, and a 5th this year.

 

[SupersonicMonkey*]

Guys, earlier in his career Clowe was a good player. When the Rangers traded for him, he wasn't that player.

Callahan now is exponentially better than what Clowe was when the Rangers traded for him. And a shoulder injury and broken bone is not comparable to multiple concussions in one season.

The poster compared their value and it is way off base.

 

[NYR94]

Stewart, while inconsistent, is not without legit scoring ability. From Scott Cullen of TSN:

[Stewart] even with relatively poor possession stats this season, ranks 35th with 104 goals scored since 2009-2010.

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=443084

Callahan has 98 over that same span but in 23 fewer games played.

 

[Callagraves]

Besides last night's win, Callahan isn't a major part of the Rangers recent surge. He's nothing more than a passenger on this roster.

Sorry, but this is patently wrong.

11 points in 16 games, +8 since his return from injury.

 

[Callagraves]

We gave up one. The other 2nd was conditional. We gave up a 2nd last year, a spare 3rd last year, and a 5th this year.

I remember that there was a condition on a pick.

Thanks. In addition to being correct now, I'm also feeling better about it.

 

[Trxjw]

I remember that there was a condition on a pick.

Thanks. In addition to being correct now, I'm also feeling better about it.

Re-sign Clowe or win two playoff rounds. That was the condition. Met neither so it became a 5th this year.

Even with the condition, I wasn't happy we dealt those picks. Could have been put to better use, IMO.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

I wouldn't mind renting Dan Boyle out to the Rangers. I wouldn't want Callahan and while Girardi wouldn't be a piece I'd mind returning, it's not a requirement. What would the Rangers trade for him as a rental?

 

[Savant]

I wouldn't mind renting Dan Boyle out to the Rangers. I wouldn't want Callahan and while Girardi wouldn't be a piece I'd mind returning, it's not a requirement. What would the Rangers trade for him as a rental?

Rangers don't want Boyle.

 

[Callagraves]

Re-sign Clowe or win two playoff rounds. That was the condition. Met neither so it became a 5th this year.

Even with the condition, I wasn't happy we dealt those picks. Could have been put to better use, IMO.

I optimistically hoped Clowe would continue to be a top 9 power forward type, and that it would be worth it.

In hindsight, I'd have preferred we just kept the picks and kept drafting

 

[LORDE]

3rd option: He and Sather come to a deal.

If I can also point out that this argument isn't whether or not to deal him, it's what we're willing to deal him for.

So far, no Rangers fan has really expressed a reasonable deal we'd be happy to move Cally for. No team is going to offer what we want for a rental, and no team that's willing to meet that contract demand is going to give up pieces we want. It's a bit of a catch-22.

If all we can get is Stewart+ a late pick, I'd rather keep him and do what we can this year. If we are offered a significant package that we can't turn down, well, we can't turn it down.

Depends on the deal

 

[Thirty One]

Rangers don't want Boyle.

Source?

 

[Trxjw]

Stewart, while inconsistent, is not without legit scoring ability. From Scott Cullen of TSN:

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=443084

Callahan has 98 over that same span but in 23 fewer games played.

If Stewart had a compete level that matched his talent level, he'd be one of the elite powerforwards in the NHL.

Again, I feel he and another piece, whether that be a B-level prospect or pick, would be a good return for a pending UFA in Callahan. I know it's nice for folks to fantasize about A-level prospects coming back, but that's just not going to happen. Especially when he's basically pricing himself out of everywhere except Buffalo.

Stewart and Edmonton's 2nd that becomes the Blues' 1st in the highly unlikely situation that they can sign him, or Jordan Schmaltz. If the Blues are looking for a replacement for Sobotka, then offer them Boyle or Moore plus Callahan for Stewart and Vannelli.