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Rumor: Trade Thread XVII: Callahan's Reckoning.

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NYR Viper said:
I don't disagree with anything except maybe Pouliot. Probably a 3rd.

Many here disagree with me but I'd move a few of them if they don't foresee them being around past this year. Enough of just being good enough. I want to have a Stanley Cup in the next 5 years. Bite the bullet, bring in the assets necessary.
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In 5 years Lundqvist is 37. When you finally have the team but have an aging goaltender. Then what do you do?
 
BrooklynRangersFan said:
On the SJ comparable, I personally think Fast and Miller are ready right now to be our 3rd best RWs. They aren't PUSHING per se, but they're ready to step in.
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The organization's attitude about the player is different, was my point. I agree that those guys can step into a 3rd line RW role and be fine. Trading Callahan means promoting Zuccarello, though, unless something else came back to slot into that spot. Zuccarello can handle the extra minutes, but it does change the dynamic of the team.
 
NYR Viper said:
Who plays center? You just moved the 2C, 3C and 4C
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Now you know why i want Sather targetting a young center in any Callahan deal.

Austin Watson, Riley Sheahan, Drew Shore, Linden Vey, Nick Shore, Zemgus Girgensons...

Then you have Stepan, Miller, and center aquired. Time to grow the position. Going to free agency and handing out huge contracts to B centers isn't working.

Contending teams build from the back and up the middle. The style of play varies from team to team, but the one constant is goaltending, defense, and centers. Wingers can be mixed and matched. Rangers keep investing too much in the wrong areas and wrong players.

Miller is going to be a good, hard center, a #2-#3. Add another young #2-#3.

Wingers with size are easier to find.

Zach Budish, Jimmy Hayes, Jamie McGinn...there are players that can be had that fill that roll.
 
pixel said:
Now you know why i want Sather targetting a young center in any Callahan deal.

Austin Watson, Riley Sheahan, Drew Shore, Linden Vey, Nick Shore, Zemgus Girgensons...

Then you have Stepan, Miller, and center aquired. Time to grow the position. Going to free agency and handing out huge contracts to B centers isn't working.

Contending teams build from the back and up the middle. The style of play varies from team to team, but the one constant is goaltending, defense, and centers. Wingers can be mixed and matched. Rangers keep investing too much in the wrong areas and wrong players.

Miller is going to be a good, hard center, a #2-#3. Add another young #2-#3.

Wingers with size are easier to find.

Zach Budish, Jimmy Hayes, Jamie McGinn...there are players that can be had that fill that roll.
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Wanting this team to compete now and trading Brassard to win now are oxymorons. . Brassard is still young. He would be a better 2C option than any one listed above as of right now.
 
NYR Viper said:
True, but why not have the foresight to try and build up the next wave after this one so there isn't a lull?
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Thats an issue, same as Sather allowing all the team's key players contracts to expire in the same season.

Sather has no vision.
 
Tawnos said:
The organization's attitude about the player is different, was my point. I agree that those guys can step into a 3rd line RW role and be fine. Trading Callahan means promoting Zuccarello, though, unless something else came back to slot into that spot. Zuccarello can handle the extra minutes, but it does change the dynamic of the team.
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If you promote one of them (and that's assuming that you're not getting a guy like Chris Stewart in exchange, BTW), then both Nash and Zuccs wind up getting a minute, minute and a half more per game. (And Brad Richards has his 5v5 time go down, which I think is an addition by subtraction thing.) It's a BIT of a risk, I grant you, but I don't think it's devastating. And who's to say we don't have a Boston D-corps from last year situation where they come in and open eyes? I think it's entirely possible.
 
pixel said:
Now you know why i want Sather targetting a young center in any Callahan deal.

Austin Watson, Riley Sheahan, Drew Shore, Linden Vey, Nick Shore, Zemgus Girgensons...

Then you have Stepan, Miller, and center aquired. Time to grow the position. Going to free agency and handing out huge contracts to B centers isn't working.

Contending teams build from the back and up the middle. The style of play varies from team to team, but the one constant is goaltending, defense, and centers. Wingers can be mixed and matched. Rangers keep investing too much in the wrong areas and wrong players.

Miller is going to be a good, hard center, a #2-#3. Add another young #2-#3.

Wingers with size are easier to find.

Zach Budish, Jimmy Hayes, Jamie McGinn...there are players that can be had that fill that roll.
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Rangers have not had that in a while. for this team its not easy to find.
 
BrooklynRangersFan said:
If you promote one of them (and that's assuming that you're not getting a guy like Chris Stewart in exchange, BTW), then both Nash and Zuccs wind up getting a minute, minute and a half more per game. (And Brad Richards has his 5v5 time go down, which I think is an addition by subtraction thing.) It's a BIT of a risk, I grant you, but I don't think it's devastating. And who's to say we don't have a Boston D-corps from last year situation where they come in and open eyes? I think it's entirely possible.
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With the way our defense has been playing for the last 20 or so games and years prior, I truly think we have one of the best defenses in the league. We may not have a Suter/Weber/Keith. But we have a McDonagh. When you have two LDs who could play in the #1 spot, you are doing something right.
 
pixel said:
Callahan, as a player, may not be worth the contract his agent is asking for. However, Chris Stewart is a garbage player and is a garbage return. Sather is blinded by his size and his skill, skill that he doesn't use nearly enough on a consistent basis. He is a UFA in one year and will command a ton on his next contract. So, Sather is about to lose Callahan for less than a full season of service from Stewart?

Root of the problem: Sather.

Don't low ball core pieces into short term deals that expire all in the same season.
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Then you have 2 options:

A) Sign him... maybe to his ridic asking price, maybe to somewhere in the middle. I wouldn't want him for what Sather has already offered. It's too much, but if that's what he would accept then I'd have to be ok with it right?

B) Trade him. Obviously the variables for who, what picks, etc. are numerous

WHAT YOU CANNOT DO:

Let him walk for nothing after this season.

ABSOLUTELY NOT
 
pixel said:
Now you know why i want Sather targetting a young center in any Callahan deal.

Austin Watson, Riley Sheahan, Drew Shore, Linden Vey, Nick Shore, Zemgus Girgensons...

Then you have Stepan, Miller, and center aquired. Time to grow the position. Going to free agency and handing out huge contracts to B centers isn't working.

Contending teams build from the back and up the middle. The style of play varies from team to team, but the one constant is goaltending, defense, and centers. Wingers can be mixed and matched. Rangers keep investing too much in the wrong areas and wrong players.

Miller is going to be a good, hard center, a #2-#3. Add another young #2-#3.

Wingers with size are easier to find.

Zach Budish, Jimmy Hayes, Jamie McGinn...there are players that can be had that fill that roll.
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Miller is not anywhere close to ready for 2C. They will be lucky if he is ready for the 3C spot. You are pretty much going into a full rebuild.
 
BrooklynRangersFan said:
If you promote one of them (and that's assuming that you're not getting a guy like Chris Stewart in exchange, BTW), then both Nash and Zuccs wind up getting a minute, minute and a half more per game. (And Brad Richards has his 5v5 time go down, which I think is an addition by subtraction thing.) It's a BIT of a risk, I grant you, but I don't think it's devastating. And who's to say we don't have a Boston D-corps from last year situation where they come in and open eyes? I think it's entirely possible.
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I don't think it's devastating either. As for a Boston situation... you never know, true. Pretty rare though.
 
Gardner McKay said:
Wanting this team to compete now and trading Brassard to win now are oxymorons. . Brassard is still young. He would be a better 2C option than any one listed above as of right now.
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Where did i write that I expect them to win this season? I didn't, and I don't. But they can soon if they do things right.
 
NYR Viper said:
He will still be good, hopefully. It won't take 5 years to compete, I want to compete for the NEXT 5 years.
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As long as we have Lundqvist and solid defense like we have right now I think we will compete. Unfortunately I don't think this organization has the time to take even a half step back due to the fact that Henrik is 32. I think at this point we need to take as many steps forward as possible (without making stupid, youth sacrificing decisions i.e. trading Miller for Moulson or something).

I think if we can get one more top 6 player at the trade deadline, add some size in the bottom 6 for if we have to play Boston again and we really can make a good run. Our defense is as good as it has ever been. Lundqvist is Ludqvist. The forward units are clicking. Our transition game is something that dreamed about under torts. We will not be a Chicago or Pittsburgh. We don't have the time to tank like they did. We do have a good team though.

Do I think we are a clear cut favorite? No. But making the right moves at the deadline to supplement what this team is already doing will definitely help our chances.
 
pixel said:
Where did i write that I expect them to win this season? I didn't, and I don't. But they can soon if they do things right.
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I should have been more specific. Win now as within the next few years. What if Miller isn't ready? Yeah he is tearing up the AHL but that has not amounted to much in the NHL yet. Forcing a kid in like that could ruin him.

Explain why Brassard should go?
 
Gardner McKay said:
As long as we have Lundqvist and solid defense like we have right now I think we will compete. Unfortunately I don't think this organization has the time to take even a half step back due to the fact that Henrik is 32. I think at this point we need to take as many steps forward as possible (without making stupid, youth sacrificing decisions i.e. trading Miller for Moulson or something).

I think if we can get one more top 6 player at the trade deadline, add some size in the bottom 6 for if we have to play Boston again and we really can make a good run. Our defense is as good as it has ever been. Lundqvist is Ludqvist. The forward units are clicking. Our transition game is something that dreamed about under torts. We will not be a Chicago or Pittsburgh. We don't have the time to tank like they did. We do have a good team though.

Do I think we are a clear cut favorite? No. But making the right moves at the deadline to supplement what this team is already doing will definitely help our chances.
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Moving Callahan doesn't mean they are tanking, they are re-tooling on the fly.
 
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