That's a risk any player has though?
Imagine a high rising shot hit Crosby on the side of the head? He could be concussed for the remainder of the season...
See, this game is fun.
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That's a risk any player has though?
Imagine a high rising shot hit Crosby on the side of the head? He could be concussed for the remainder of the season...
See, this game is fun.
Ail
Based and Rangerspilled.
Six years of Callahan or seven years of Stastny are pretty similar in terms of how it will play out in my mind. I don't see Stastny as much worse or worse at all. When you consider the RW depth this team has right now and the situation at center after Richards gets bought out I can only imagine Stastny is actually the better option.
No to both from me though.
Watch the Rangers against Boston,St.Louis,Anaheim and LA. Even Pittsburgh. The Rangers beat LA in LA. The Kings beat them in NY. It was early in the year. Close but no cigar. The games are close but the Rangers always seem to lose. There isn't much room on the ice. The Blues game two weeks ago. The Rangers were competitive but they lost. The Rangers have those small centers. LA had Kopitar and Richards at center. Stoll is 6-1 210. LA had a big team with Nolan and King. Brown played the best of hockey of his career in the first 2-3 rounds. Brown is 6-0 205. Penner scored big goals. Another big player. Look at the size of the Kings forwards and compare them to the Rangers. The smaller players get worn down in the playoffs.
The Rangers look at other teams and say they are flawed. Other teams view the Rangers as flawed.
It would set a very bad precedent if you didn't pay your captain and hardest worker his money but paid an inconsistent player that has never won or accomplished anything of significance for more years and more money.
Unfortunately, Fast and Miller can conceivably step in for Callahan and replicate his production and no one can do that for Stastny's skill set - which is to win face-offs and play down the middle.
But on pure message to the club and our home grown core/up and coming players. Terrible look for us if that's the route we go.
ReggieDunlop68
hey hanrahan!
No...
Although they are both more valuable than Callahan, Kane and Toews were RFAs when they signed those contracts. They didn't have nearly the same leverage that Callahan has right now, and I doubt Kane and Toews salary demands will be "team oriented" if they don't sign prior to hitting the UFA market.
Hossa is another great player whose cap hit is lower than what Callahan is supposedly asking, but Hossa signed that contract at 30+ years of age for a 12 year $63 million contract, and that contract was signed at the end of the 2009 season when the cap was less than it is today. If it weren't for the number of years on the guaranteed contract, Hossa could have signed for significantly more with another team at a higher hit per anum for less years.
Patrick Sharp's contract is a better comparison. He signed his current contract after the 2011-2012 season at a similar age to Callahan during a UFA year, but the cap has increased since that year, so Sharp would most likely have been signed to a greater value if he signed with the Blackhawks at the end of this season as a UFA; however arguing the Callahan vs. Sharp contract carries the most weight of the four contracts you mentioned.
I am by no means saying that Callahan provides nearly as much offensive return as the other four players, but you can't look at the instantaneous values of their respective contracts when one compares those to Callahan's reported demands.
I agree, for the most part, Ola.
Sather will watch his own players develop, become integral parts to the team, culture, community, and then he will low ball them and ship them off for unequal value, some garbage player that wont stick long for various reasons. Then he will go into free agency and overpay market value for some past his prime player, hand them a letter on their jersey. Within two years that player is washed up and we are looking at nearly a decade left on the contract.
Same old b.s. from Sather.
Stastny is next. Is Stastny worth that money more than Callahan?
If we are to trade Callahan, Stewart or some enigmatic Russian threatening to go to the KHL, better NOT be the return. A player comparable to Austin Watson better be. A future captain, leader by example. A dependable young player.
Sather needs to be sent far away from this team. Far far away. No GM. No President. Not a consultant. Just gone. 14+ years dragging this organization down.
LAK had a durable and tough to play against forward crew. But I am not at all sold on that their 12 guys are better than ours, they actually don't have all that much skill up front.
But, they have Doughty. And even Voynov. A lot more fire power then we from the blueline. You can shut out a forward crew, but it's just so much harder when you have great O Ds that can join the play. DD is a monster.
But, they have Doughty. And even Voynov. A lot more fire power then we from the blueline. You can shut out a forward crew, but it's just so much harder when you have great O Ds that can join the play. DD is a monster.
Ail
Based and Rangerspilled.
Filling a need versus over paying an aging captain who by all accounts has proven and won exactly the same thing (Olympic silver) as the need is setting a precedent?
You build a team to win not for good feelings and doing the right thing because it looks good. This is a business. Also the home grown core doesn't get a choice until they are UFA. Lundqvist didn't mind signing here after the "betrayal" of Dubinsky and Anisimov.
Thankfully the players understand things about this sport the fans cannot or do not want to.
ReggieDunlop68
hey hanrahan!
Neither of those moves is a smart move.
I'm assuming you indicated Jarome Iginla as a possible signing due to the fact that he is a winger and a former leader. He, however, will be 37 years young this July, and just because he's old, it doesn't necessarily mean he will be "a great mentor" for the random shiny new toy in Hartford.
If Callahan's asking price makes him impossible to sign as a Ranger, the team will need to adjust to his loss, but there is no denying the loss of his "intangibles" will be felt, and injecting the leadership qualities of a player whose in his twilight years, will not alleviate the loss of Callahan.
I think Rene L. tweeted that a source mentioned the NHL would loose 50-60m due to the fall in the loonie.
50% of the loss is the players. 25-30m. Up to a mil per team hit to the mid-point.
The loonie had already fallen when the NHL made it's prediction. I would be suprised if it's not already in the 71m number.
50% of the loss is the players. 25-30m. Up to a mil per team hit to the mid-point.
The loonie had already fallen when the NHL made it's prediction. I would be suprised if it's not already in the 71m number.
The great thing about teams that have won the Cup is that, for the most part, they all play a different style.
There is no 1 right way of going to, or even winning the cup.
There are several constants though (for the most part): Hard working team that isn't afraid of going into the muck, lucky bounces, excellent goaltending, timely scoring, resilience (i.e. the inability to concede to a loss and the ability to come up big when needed).
Size helps with wearing a team down but ultimately that doesn't mean much of the other team takes physicality out of the equation. Toronto almost beat the Bruins last year in the first round. We could have beat the Bruins had Torts not alienated the team. We were up in 3 of our losses. Pittsburgh, even still, has an imbalanced team (strong offense, porous defense, weak goaltending).
I think we have a good model here. Balanced offensive attack. Solid (and ever strengthening) defense. Top 3 goalie.
Will we get worn down by someone like Boston? I doubt it. That's not the game we play and usually when a team comes in with the intention to bully us we're able to outscore them early and neuter them.
NikC
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Seems like many are in agreement with Callahan pricing himself out and getting traded.
He could take what's being offered to stay in NY. Its a generous deal considering the player and his #s.
Sather overpays for players who have a past history of success.
Its total B.S. to say the he would throw 7m at Callahan in FA
He could take what's being offered to stay in NY. Its a generous deal considering the player and his #s.
Sather overpays for players who have a past history of success.
Its total B.S. to say the he would throw 7m at Callahan in FA
JaeTM
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Obviously it would be deflating for any player in the Olympics if they got injured.
But, if someone like Backes (comparable to Callahan, Crosby is a bad example as he's the most valuable player in the league) got hurt, the Blues would definitely be hurt depth wise, but it's not like they gave up any assets to get Backes. They already had him.
Say the Blue's actually traded us what some are asking here. Stewart + prospect + 1st. Then Callahan breaks his leg and is out almost 2 months. If it happened to us, I'd be furious because of what assets we gave up.
NYR Viper
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We all make decisions and form opinions based on our past experiences. I have seen enough players who play similarly to Callahan over their careers to feel pretty confident in the fact that when he reaches 30, it will be like a normal player hitting 35. Even if he is the exception to the rule and is 32 but looks 35, that leaves him with another 3 years with a 7 year deal.
This isn't a skilled player who can still control a game with his exceptional hockey IQ or puck control or size. This is a player who plays exceptionally hard and puts his body on the line every game. He is 5'10-5'11, not 6'3.
Yeah the Rangers need to out possess the other team to win games. Teams don't have to out skill you to out possess you, they can just throw it on the boards and engage in board battles and dominate a smaller team physically.
Those games are tighter checking games. A guy like Derek Dorsett hurts you in a game like that. It's why guys like Winnik, Reeves, Fistric, and Bollig play in this league, they are all less skilled than Brian Boyle, but do their part in helping a team win.
The Rangers are small and undersized. I am not expecting a team of this build to make the conference finals any time soon.
Et tu, Brooksie? Whats with his article today? The Rangers should treat Callahan as if he was a rental? Ignore reality? Let a spurt of good hockey allow the team to throw out any sort of long-term strategy (again)??
Im sick of it.
Im sick of it.
LORDE
I am Lorde, YA YA YA
What's sickening is the thought that we would nickle and dime Toews. Paying him what he's worth is what Chicago did... And paying Cally what he's worth is what Sather wants to do. The deal Cally has been offered by the NYR is MORE than fair.
Yes he could get more elsewhere. He's not worth it. Just like most UFAs aren't worth what they get. It's a bidding war... The player will always get more when 2+ teams are bidding for their services. Toews was extended by his team and is on a bargain contract compare to
A) his play since
B) the relative value to the cap
Cally gonna get better as time goes? Doubtful.
Cally worth 7/6.5+ NOPE
So, why would u pay him what he's not worth right now... AND he's more than likely to not sustain that level LET ALONE improve???
eco's bones
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To me it's been obvious the past two playoffs. Rangers one point shy of the President's trophy in 11-12--best regular season team in the east went from one big physical team in the playoffs to another. Wore down. Ottawa and Washington both hung in against us to the max 7 games by turning the series into wrestling matches fighting for every inch of territory. It works against smaller, skating teams--though that Rangers team had a lot more grit than the current one. New Jersey more of the same knocked us out. Last year the Rangers got outmuscled by the Bruins after being taken to the limit by the Caps again--the Caps only having one real threat of a line.
The speed, skill game can be strategized against by bigger, lesser skilled teams. Forecheck hard, always have enough bodies in the neutral zone-clog up the slot when the puck is in your own end. Hit every chance you get. A team determined to play good defense is going to keep games close if they get good goaltending.
Beer League Sniper
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I think the whole 'size in the playoffs' thing is overblown. Chicago doesn't have the biggest team, and they tore apart the league last season. There's no one way to be successful, and trying to clone the strategies of other teams based on their success is a recipe for failure.
Players with size, speed, and skill are insanely rare in this league. When we have size and skill, we decry our lack of speed. When we have size and speed, we decry our lack of skill. My point is, most teams have warts, and any given year there are probably 4-6 teams that have what it takes to win a cup. The eventual winner is the one that figures out how to best mask their deficiencies and play to their strengths.
Now, the question becomes: Do we have the personnel and coaching to be true contenders? Not this year in my opinion, but lets not pretend that we're going to lose in the playoffs to a team simply because they have more size than us. It will be a variety of factors.
Players with size, speed, and skill are insanely rare in this league. When we have size and skill, we decry our lack of speed. When we have size and speed, we decry our lack of skill. My point is, most teams have warts, and any given year there are probably 4-6 teams that have what it takes to win a cup. The eventual winner is the one that figures out how to best mask their deficiencies and play to their strengths.
Now, the question becomes: Do we have the personnel and coaching to be true contenders? Not this year in my opinion, but lets not pretend that we're going to lose in the playoffs to a team simply because they have more size than us. It will be a variety of factors.
Aging or heading into his prime peak years?
Anisimov or Dubinsky comparable to the captain of the team?
I understand it is a business but not taking care of your players when it comes time, just so that you can go out and sign another over rated mercenary, isn't a good look. No matter how you put it.
Stastny may fill a need, just as much as Richards does right now. He'll get 1c money and produce at a 2c production and give you inconsistent effort.
Callahan will be paid like a 1 RW and produce as a fringe 2 RW and good 3 RW, but will give you consistent effort game in and game out.
That's the trade off. Locker room effect, likely tanking the season this year, but getting consistent effort that others feel comfortable looking up to or raising your offensive potential and likely output, potentially making a swift comeback next year from the falldown this year, but getting an inconsistent effort that others may use as a reference point to lower their work ethic.
Players see that inconsistent effort gets them 7, maybe 7.5 mill? That's the precedent. It's a bad one.
NYR Viper
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In the playoffs it's not always about skill though. Size, strength and pure mass wear on opposing teams over 4-7 games. The smaller players have to work harder more consistently to win puck battles.
I think they have a good beginning to what is needed. However, signing Callahan to 7 million a season pretty much ruins any possibility of improving on the team and ties them into another long-term contract.
Callahan is not a Nash or Hank. He is not a top-5/10 player at his position.
If somebody can pull up the Ranger record and against those bigger heavier teams, and also pull up the GF-GA for those games. I think you'd be surprised.
The Rangers have improved greatly since the tail end of the 9 game home stand that started of badly, but those tight checking big teams win a lot of games for a reason.
They play playoff hockey all season long.
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