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NYR Viper
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Eh, like I said before, there are worse signings the team could make, he is a good all-around player. Quietly goes about his business which is a good complete game. Probably a 60-65 point center.
The more I think about the Blues deal the more intrigued I get. I know Stewart is a bit streaky in his scoring but most good goal scorers are. He has very good size and strength for the front of the net and good offensive instincts. His main problem is that he is a sniper in a power forwards body.
If he weren't 6'2 228lbs and he was scoring 25-30 goals a year people would consider him a goal scorer. As it is, people consider him a disappointment because they classify him as a power forward who doesn't go all out and try to knock people's heads off.
I know he has his issues. I know he isn't a 2-way player. He knows how to score goals in this league. As an offensive replacement for Callahan, I'd take him in a heartbeat. Replacing the rest of Callahan's game will have to be dispersed among some other players.
The question becomes, who or what else would be coming back? STL 1st is a must. Could they get Schmaltz or Vannelli? This organization needs an offensive d-man prospect.
I'm considering Kristo a pure scorer and a top 6 winger.
I agree about Fast being defensively more responsible. And I do agree that Fast and his style of play may actually play right into AV's defensive philosophy for wingers.
Fast is a much more complete player. Kristo has potential to become a 2nd line scoring winger, but he seems prone to stupid mistakes and isn't good defensively. Fast has already proven he is defensively responsible enough to play in the NHL. He also seems to have added some offense since being sent down.
NYR Viper
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5 Year $3.4M for Stralman. Anton is as solid as they come, but he isn't the type of guy that would form an elite top 4, and that's on the Rangers with a good of a top 3 as any.
Tom Gilbert got 6 x $4M for $24 total years ago. I wouldn't be surprised if Anton got that in the open market. Kevin Klein is a very similar player, at $2.9. I'd be willing to go up $500k above that for Stralman, double is current salary of $1.7M.
UFA Defensemen get paid! So I wouldn't be surprised at all to see Anton elsewhere. I think he and Boyle both walk if either is not dealt.
Tom Gilbert got 6 x $4M for $24 total years ago. I wouldn't be surprised if Anton got that in the open market. Kevin Klein is a very similar player, at $2.9. I'd be willing to go up $500k above that for Stralman, double is current salary of $1.7M.
UFA Defensemen get paid! So I wouldn't be surprised at all to see Anton elsewhere. I think he and Boyle both walk if either is not dealt.
I would rather have Fast playing a more two way game on the third line with JTM and Hags behind Nash and Zucc than have Kristo playing a one way offensive game.
NYR Viper
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True I just think we are going to go with similar lines, maybe upgrade over Pouliot.
Kreider-Step-Nash
UFA/Poo/Hags-Brass-Zucc
Hags/JTM-JTM/OL-Fast
Carcillo-Moore/Boyle/OL-Dorsett
Realistically, I think Kristo will score us more goals, and provide more consistent offensive pressure than Brassard... if given an opportunity with Zucc.
I think Fast can provide the same offensive potential as Brassard as well as providing better defensive potential.
I think Brassard could have been made expendable if it wasn't for the shear fact that we don't have a 2C on this team moving forward.
Moulson reportedly wanted 6 years, 6 mill from the Isles.
Do you want to give him that? I don't.
That's what Cally's saved cap space would buy us?
That's a lot for him. I would give him 5.5 because he can score and I think he would be useful with Brass and Zucc. Also it would piss isles fans off to no end.
Burmistrov would be a good add, but I think he'll join up with Winnipeg again now that Noel is gone.
NYR Viper
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I'm not sure they keep Carcillo and Dorsett, although I'd love it.
Say the Stewart trade goes through with Callahan going the other way.
Girardi at this point looks like he will be gone too. Say they get prospects + back for him, none of which are NHL ready.
Kreider-Stepan-Nash
Zuccarello-Brassard-Stewart
Hagelin-Miller-Fast
UFA/Carcillo-Lindberg/Moore-Dorsett
McDonagh-Klein
Staal-Stralman
Moore-McIlrath/Allen
The only way I'd be interested in Moulson is if Tavares could somehow come with him
AWall THE CLAW
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Stastny is a disaster waiting to happen, and I am someone who still thinks the Richards contract was a good idea at the time.
I was correct in thinking the Rangers of 2010-11 were maybe a player away from being a special team. Disappointed as we may have been in the end of that season, they WERE a special team and were a bounce away from Game 7 of the Eastern Final at home. You knew that the last 3-4 years of that contract to Richards were just garbage time to get the cap hit down and that they were basically paying out the ass to shoot for the Cup in the next few seasons, because they had no one in the system ready to come up and play center for the big club, they had no chips to trade for a big center, and there wasn't really a big center even available through the trade route. (Remember, this is coming off the 2010-11 season, where Anisimov and Dubinsky were invaluable young core pieces). So we might be pulling our hair out at the Richards contract now, but at the end of the day... he IS putting up decent numbers for a playoff team, and I wouldn't contribute the offensive woes of the 2012 playoffs and 2013 half-a-season to him.
Bringing in Stastny long-term for big bucks is such a bad idea because the Rangers DO have four young guys in Hartford that will be ready to come up and help the Rangers in the near future. I believe that Fast, Kristo, Lindberg, and Miller. If you're the Rangers, you are already a playoff team with the production Richards is giving you. Why would you dump him to just replace that cap hit with basically the same thing? How about you see what you have with the young guys (who together won't even add up to an annual salary for Stastny), and save that money for a real difference maker? Hell, everyone is low on Stepan right now, and he's only 23. He could still very well be your #1 center for a long time. Brassard could be #2 easy. Lindberg and Miller round it out.
If you sign Stastny, you are just locked into the type of team you are now: a playoff team that needs a ton of things to go right to even make it to the Finals.
If you don't, you can see what you have in the young guys, and if it's not the answer to push the team over the top, at least you have some damn flexibility to change things up until you get the right mix.
I was correct in thinking the Rangers of 2010-11 were maybe a player away from being a special team. Disappointed as we may have been in the end of that season, they WERE a special team and were a bounce away from Game 7 of the Eastern Final at home. You knew that the last 3-4 years of that contract to Richards were just garbage time to get the cap hit down and that they were basically paying out the ass to shoot for the Cup in the next few seasons, because they had no one in the system ready to come up and play center for the big club, they had no chips to trade for a big center, and there wasn't really a big center even available through the trade route. (Remember, this is coming off the 2010-11 season, where Anisimov and Dubinsky were invaluable young core pieces). So we might be pulling our hair out at the Richards contract now, but at the end of the day... he IS putting up decent numbers for a playoff team, and I wouldn't contribute the offensive woes of the 2012 playoffs and 2013 half-a-season to him.
Bringing in Stastny long-term for big bucks is such a bad idea because the Rangers DO have four young guys in Hartford that will be ready to come up and help the Rangers in the near future. I believe that Fast, Kristo, Lindberg, and Miller. If you're the Rangers, you are already a playoff team with the production Richards is giving you. Why would you dump him to just replace that cap hit with basically the same thing? How about you see what you have with the young guys (who together won't even add up to an annual salary for Stastny), and save that money for a real difference maker? Hell, everyone is low on Stepan right now, and he's only 23. He could still very well be your #1 center for a long time. Brassard could be #2 easy. Lindberg and Miller round it out.
If you sign Stastny, you are just locked into the type of team you are now: a playoff team that needs a ton of things to go right to even make it to the Finals.
If you don't, you can see what you have in the young guys, and if it's not the answer to push the team over the top, at least you have some damn flexibility to change things up until you get the right mix.
Brooklyn Rangers Fan
Change is good.
Yes, all true, except that Fast was also a top line scoring winger in the SEL at the age of 19-20 before he came over, scored at TC and is now scoring in HFD. The offense has always been there; the fact that he didn't display much in his first few games in the NHL, when the whole team was playing like ass and he was being relied upon to play primarily a defensive role should not be the basis of categorizing him as a defense-first player. He has the potential (there's that word again) to be much more and I think he has a decent shot to get there - IF he can get over the injury bug.
I'm a big fan (to the extent that I was voting for him as our 2nd or 3rd best prospect in the recent poll).
NYR Viper
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This team needs a center, but top 6 centers don't get moved often. Especially young ones. Stewart and a 1st are a part of any Callahan deal. I'd ask for Jaskin and the EDM 2nd in a package and give the blues another player that they can use for a playoff run.
Folks here scoffed at that package before, but this is sort of trade doesn't happen very often. Last time stars without NTC/NMCs were deadline deals (expecting pre-olympic deal for Callahan), it was Hossa and Kovalchuk by a team that doesn't even exist anymore.
That was years ago and garnered 4 pieces. The Rangers haven't won the Gaborik "blockbuster", but have gotten the better end of the deal so far... and I don't think very highly of Brassard...
Stewart in many ways is the anti-thesis of Callahan, and if I had my choice I'd choose Callahan above Stewart every time. But at 7x48 for Callahan, the Rangers are looking at Chris Drury 2.0, and I loves me some Cally.
In which case, I'd just take Tavares
"Hi i'd like Tavares with Moulson, hold the Moulson"
kind of similar when you go to a bar and ask the bartender "Hi i'd like a whiskey on the rocks... hold the rocks" and then he gives you the stare down.
Not happening.
HatTrick Swayze
Just Be Nice
Will not be happy personally if the Rangers sign Stastny or Moulson. I like Moulson but he is going to be overpaid and not live up to his previous production. I expect Stastny to be a Ranger, and for it to be a total flop by year 3 of the deal.
Vrbata would be a solid add but he's a RW. Not worth the investment. Vanek is the best fit but he will be too expensive.
Vrbata would be a solid add but he's a RW. Not worth the investment. Vanek is the best fit but he will be too expensive.
I'll be furious if the Rangers make the right call getting rid of Callahan, then turn around and sign Stastny for stupid money.
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