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Punxrocknyc19 said:
id rather deal Bourque than Yogan. Rangers dont have much players with size and skill.
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I like Bourque, size and skill are nice obviously, but in a deal like this I probably move Bourque but avoid it. Big guys with raw skill potential tend to figure it out and sometimes develop very nicely.

mark11 said:
with buff/det both willing to sell why not get ott and/or tootoo

this team needs that 3rd line sparkplug, the fact that rangers have been quiet so far is starting to worry me

trade gabby and get a few key pieces, even if it means packaging mdz and get a right side d-man who can quaterback the powerplay, and good 2nd liner depth man, and 1 or 2 sparkplugs

having a ott or tootoo would do wonders for our depth, look what prust is doing for the habs and what he did for our depth last year
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Have no idea if Tootoo is available but he would be one of those low-risk under the radar moves that is key.

Kwayry said:
Posted this earlier in the rumor thread
From Bruce Garrioch

The key to Glencross is to get him to waive his NTC.
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I'm pretty sure anything other than Calgary looks pertty good right now.
 
Konnick said:
I like Bourque, size and skill are nice obviously, but in a deal like this I probably move Bourque but avoid it. Big guys with raw skill potential tend to figure it out and sometimes develop very nicely.


Have no idea if Tootoo is available but he would be one of those low-risk under the radar moves that is key.



I'm pretty sure anything other than Calgary looks pertty good right now.
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You would be suprised guys on a team awhile dont want to leave mainly for the family.
 
Boyle looks better as a winger than a center, he's playing the boards a little better.

still belongs on the 4th line though.
 
Updated NYR Asset sheet before trade deadline

Still missing numbers on Hughes...

TRADE GUIDELINE
PLAYERS UNDER CONTRACT WITH NEW YORK RANGERS 2013 (49)

NEW YORK RANGERS (24)
[table="head;width=4200]Nr |Pos| Player| Caphit| Status| Team| Drafted
1| D | McDonagh, Ryan (ELC) | $1,300,000* |RFA 2013| New York Rangers/NHL | R1 #12 Montreal (2007)
2| F | Stepan, Derek (ELC)| $875,000 | RFA 2013 |New York Rangers/NHL|R2 #51 NYR (2008)
3| F | Hagelin, Carl (ELC) | $875,000* | RFA 2013| New York Rangers/NHL |R6 #168 NYR (2007)
4 |D| Sauer, Michael (LTIR) | $1,250,000 | RFA 2013| New York Rangers/NHL |R2 #40 NYR (2005)
5| D| Hamrlik, Roman | $3,500,000 | UFA 2013| New York Rangers/NHL| R1 #1 Washington (1992)
6| D| Eminger, Steve | $750,000 | UFA 2013| New York Rangers/NHL| R1 #12 Washington (2002)
7| D | Zuccarello, Mats| $750,000 | UFA 2013| New York Rangers/NHL | Undrafted
8| D | Gilroy, Matt| $650,000 | UFA 2013| New York Rangers/NHL | Undrafted
9| D | Del Zotto, M. | $2,550,000 | RFA 2014| New York Rangers/NHL | R1 #20 NYR (2008)
10| F | Kreider, Chris (ELC)| $1,325,000* | RFA 2014|New York Rangers/NHL | R1 #19 NYR (2009)
11| F | Gaborik, Marian (NTC)| $7,500,000| UFA 2014 |New York Rangers/NHL| R1 #3 Minnesota (2000)
12| G | Lundqvist, Henrik | $6,875,000 | UFA 2014| New York Rangers/NHL | R7 #208 NYR (2000)
13| F | Callahan, Ryan | $4,275,000 | UFA 2014| New York Rangers/NHL| R4 #127 NYR (2004)
14| D| Girardi, Dan | $3,325,000 | UFA 2014| New York Rangers/NHL | Undrafted
15| D| Stralman, Anton| $1,700,000| UFA 2014| New York Rangers/NHL | R7 #216 Toronto (2005)
16| F| Boyle, Brian | $1,700,000 | UFA 2014| New York Rangers/NHL| R1 #26 Los Angeles (2003)
17| F | Pyatt, Taylor | $1,550,000 | UFA 2014| New York Rangers/NHL| R1 #8 New York Isles (1999)
18| F | Powe, Darroll | $1,066,667 | UFA 2014| New York Rangers/NHL | Undrafted
19| G |Biron, Martin | $1,300,000 |UFA 2014| New York Rangers/NHL | R1 #16 Buffalo (1995)
20| F | Asham, Arron | $1,000,000 | UFA 2014| New York Rangers/NHL | R3 #71 Montreal (1996)
21| F | Miller, J.T. (ELC)| $1,244,167* | RFA 2015 |New York Rangers/NHL| R1 #15 NYR (2011)
22| D | Staal, Marc (LTIR) | $3,975,000 | UFA 2015| New York Rangers/NHL | R1 #12 NYR (2005)
23| F | Nash, Rick (NMC) | $7,800,000 | UFA 2019| New York Rangers/NHL | R1 #1 Columbus (2002)
24| F | Richards, Brad (NMC) | $6,666,667 | UFA 2020 |New York Rangers/NHL| R3 #64 Tampa Bay (1998)[/table]

Assigned to AHL/ECHL/Europe (25)
[table="head;width=4200]Nr |Pos| Player| Caphit| Status| Team| Drafted
25| D | Delisle, Steven (ELC) | $733,333* |RFA 2013| Greenville Road Warriors/ECHL| R4 #107 CBJ (2008)
26| D | Niemi, Jyri (ELC) | $700,000*| RFA 2013| Greenville Road Warriors/ECHL| R3 #72 NYI (2008)
27| F | Ferriero, Benn | $700,000 | RFA 2013| Connecticut Whale/AHL| R7 #196 Phoenix (2006)
28| D | Pyett, Logan | $600,000| RFA 2013| Connecticut Whale/AHL| R7 #212 Detroit (2006)
29| F | Palmieri, Nick | $577,500 | RFA 2013| Connecticut Whale/AHL | R3 #79 New Jersey Devils (2007)
30| F | Mashinter, Brandon | $550,000 | RFA 2013| Connecticut Whale/AHL| Undrafted
31| D | Parlett, Blake (ELC) | $537,500| RFA 2013 |Connecticut Whale/AHL| Undrafted
32| D | Collins, Sean | $600,000 | UFA 2013| Connecticut Whale/AHL| Undrafted
33| F | Segal, Brandon| $550,000 | UFA 2013| Connecticut Whale/AHL| R4 #102 Nashville (2002)
34| D| Vernace, Mike | $525,000| UFA 2013| Connecticut Whale/AHL| R7 #201 San Jose (2004)
35| F | Jean, Kyle (ELC)| $925,000* | RFA 2014| Connecticut Whale/AHL| Undrafted
36| F | Bourque, Ryan (ELC) | $900,000* | RFA 2014| Connecticut Whale/AHL| R3 #80 NYR (2009)
37| G | Missiaen, Jason (ELC) | $750,000* |RFA 2014 |Connecticut Whale/AHL|Undrafted
38| G | Stajcer, Scott (ELC)| $700,000* | RFA 2014| Greenville Road Warriors/ECHL|R5 #140 NYR (2009)
39| F | Wilson, Jason (ELC)| $588,333 | RFA 2014| Connecticut Whale/AHL| R5 #130 NYR (2010)
40| D | McIlrath, Dylan (ELC)| $1,295,000* | RFA 2015 |Connecticut Whale/AHL| R1 #10 NYR (2010)
41| F | Fast(h), Jesper (ELC)| $900,000* |RFA 2015|Connecticut Whale/AHL???| R6 #157 NYR (2010)
42| D | Bickel, Stu| $750,000| UFA 2014| Connecticut Whale/AHL | Undrafted
43| F | Newbury, Kris | $600,000 |UFA 2014 |Connecticut Whale/AHL| R5 #139 San Jose (2002)
44| F | Haley, Micheal| $600,000 | UFA 2014| Connecticut Whale/AHL| Undrafted
45| F | Thomas, Christian (ELC)| $970,000* | RFA 2015 |Connecticut Whale/AHL| R2 #40 NYR (2010)
46| F | Yogan, Andrew (ELC)| $800,000 | RFA 2015 | Connecticut Whale/AHL| R4 #100 NYR (2010)
47| F | Lindberg, Oscar (ELC) | $760,000* |RFA 2015| Loaned to Skellefteå AIK/SEL| R2 #57 PHX (2010)
48| F | Hrivik, Marek (ELC)| $685,000* | RFA 2015 |Connecticut Whale/AHL| Undrafted
49| G | Talbot, Cameron | $562,600 | UFA 2015| Connecticut Whale/AHL | Undrafted[/table]

CONTRACTED PLAYERS THAT DO NOT COUNT against 50 contract limit in 2013
[table="head;width=4200]Nr |Pos| Player| Caphit| Status| Team| Drafted
+| D | Allen, Connor (ELC)| $1,775,000*| RFA 2015|Connecticut Whale/AHL?|undrafted
+| D | Hughes, Tommy (ELC)| $NA*| RFA 2015??|Juniors - London Knights/OHL|undrafted
+| F | Nicholls, J. (ELC)| $709,167 | RFA 2016| Juniors - Saskatoon Blades/WHL |R7 #182 Toronto Maple Leafs (2010)
+| F | St. Croix, M. (ELC S)| $665,000 | RFA 2016| Juniors - Edmonton Oil Kings/WHL |R4 #106 NYR (2011)
[/table]

Players still unsigned but with rights retained by NYR
[table="head;width=2500]Pos| Player|Team| Drafted
D |Pashnin, Mikhail| HC Lokomotiv Yaroslavl/KHL |R7 #200 NYR (2009)
F |Fogarty, Steven| Notre Dame Fighting Irish/CCHA| R3 #72 NYR (2011)
F |McColgan, Shane| Saskatoon Blades/WHL | R5 #134 NYR (2011)
D |Noreau, Samuel | Baie-Comeau Drakkar/LHJMQ |R5 #136 NYR(2011)
D |Čerešňák, Peter| Peterborough Petes/OHL| R6 #172 NYR (2011)
D |Skjei, Brady | Minnesota Golden Gophers/WCHA |R1 #28 NYR (2012)
F |Nieves, Cristoval | Michigan Wolverines/CCHA| R2 #59 NYR (2012)
D |Andersson, Calle| Malmö /HA | R4 #119 NYR (2012)
F |Spelling, Thomas| Oskarshamn/HA | R5 #142 NYR(2012)[/table]

* - includes bonus money in contract
ELC - denotes player on Entry Level Contract
NTC - denotes No Trade Clause in Contract
NMC - denotes No Movement Clause in Contract
LTIR - denotes player placed on Long time injury reserve

NYR Draft picks in 2013
  • 2nd round NYR
  • 3rd round Florida (for W. Wolski 2012)
  • 3rd round Nashville (for NYR 3rd round pick 2012)
  • 3rd round NYR
  • 3rd round Columbus (in Nash trade 2012, conditional - that NYR do not go to SC finals in 2013)
  • 4th round NYR
  • 6th round NYR

  • NO 1st rounder (traded to Columbus for Rick Nash... 2012)
  • NO 5th rounder (traded to Nashville for Nashville 5th 2012 - chose Tomas Spelling at #142)
  • NO 7th rounder (traded to Minnesota along with Eric "Crusher" Christensen for Casey Wellman 2012)
NYR Draft picks in 2014
  • 1st round NYR
  • 2nd round NYR
  • 3rd round NYR
  • 4th round NYR
  • 5th round Florida (for Casey Wellman)
  • 5th round NYR
  • 6th round NYR

  • Eventually NO 7th rounder (conditionally traded to San Jose along with Tommy "horror-movie" Grant for Brandon Mashinter 2013 - condition being if he resigns with NYR then San Jose gets the pick)
 
Problem with trading Boyle is that the PK will suffer even more. is Torts gonna let Kreider and Miller PK?

Glenncross is cool as long as they don't give up anything higher than a 3rd.

I'm still down for Sami Salo even without my crazy Gaborik trade. Tampa would love to move a contract.

I think the realistic pieces in play for the Rangers are any of the third rounders they have this year and the 2nd tier prospects (Thomas, Borque, Jean, Hrivik, Yogan, Anderson, Stacjer, Missian, Spelling, McColgan, Noreau..even though I love the kid).

Boyle/Pyatt/Asham will try to be moved if it makes sense.
 
White Plains Batman said:
Problem with trading Boyle is that the PK will suffer even more. is Torts gonna let Kreider and Miller PK?

Glenncross is cool as long as they don't give up anything higher than a 3rd.

I'm still down for Sami Salo even without my crazy Gaborik trade. Tampa would love to move a contract.

I think the realistic pieces in play for the Rangers are any of the third rounders they have this year and the 2nd tier prospects (Thomas, Borque, Jean, Hrivik, Yogan, Anderson, Stacjer, Missian, Spelling, McColgan, Noreau..even though I love the kid).

Boyle/Pyatt/Asham will try to be moved if it makes sense.
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I would have to imagine Glenncross is going to command at least something in the same ball park as Clowe.
 
White Plains Batman said:
Rangers really aren't in a position to give all of that up.

I still say go with Jussi Jokinnen who played just under 21 minutes tonight. Can someone say showcase? :laugh:
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Jussi Jokinnen isn't going to do much of anything on the Rangers. He isn't physical enough to be useful in a bottom six role. Not with our system, and how are team is constructed.

Glenncross could make a difference to our bottom six.

But

Its not worth it for a steep price tag. I agree with that sentiment. Rangers may very well stay pat or go after a project like McBain.
 
Blueshirt Believer said:
Jussi Jokinnen isn't going to do much of anything on the Rangers. He isn't physical enough to be useful in a bottom six role. Not with our system, and how are team is constructed.

Glenncross could make a difference to our bottom six.

But

Its not worth it for a steep price tag. I agree with that sentiment. Rangers may very well stay pat or go after a project like McBain.
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Jokinnen can be an interchangeable piece on the second and 3rd line as either a center or winger and I'd much rather use him on a PP with his passing than Boyle :banghead:

He can't be any less physical than a Richards/Gaborik/Zuc.
 
Do very little...

Say Boyle & Pyatt and some other pieces are dealt now at the deadline for pure rentals
One of Asham/Powe is dealt in the offseason
And we basically work with what is in the system resigning McD, Stepan, Hagelin and the Hobbit
Would this roster work?
A bit lightweight, but still with some serious bangers (Big Mac, Mashinter, Haley, maybe Stu as an extra spare) on the squad that also should be able put up some goals - no?
Skillwise it looks a bit like an old Red Wing lineup ;)
the main thing IMO is to get guys like Gaborik, Richards, Kreider going offensively and to have Staal back on D
I think a coaching change - preferably both of the Neanderthals back there but start with axing Sullivan - is also totally necessary.

FORWARDS
Chris Kreider ($1.325m) or Mats Zuccarello ($1.200m) / Brad Richards ($6.667m) / Marian Gaborik ($7.500m)
Rick Nash ($7.800m) / Derek Stepan ($3.300m) / Ryan Callahan ($4.275m)
Carl Hagelin ($2.000m) / Oscar Lindberg ($0.760m) / Jesper Fasth ($0.900m)
Mats Zuccarello ($1.200m) or Chris Kreider ($1.325m) / J.T. Miller ($1.244m) / Micheal Haley ($0.600m)
One of Darroll Powe or Aron Asham (MAX $1.067m) / Brandon Mashinter or a hired UFA goon on the cheap (~$0.650m)

DEFENSEMEN
Ryan McDonagh ($4.200m) / Dan Girardi ($3.325m)
Marc Staal ($3.975m) / Anton Stralman ($1.700m)
Michael Del Zotto ($2.550m) / Dylan McIlrath ($1.295m)
VET UFA or Stu Bickel ($0.750m)

GOALTENDERS
Henrik Lundqvist ($6.875m)
Martin Biron ($1.300m)
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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled with the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $65,257,500; BONUSES: $2,125,000
CAP SPACE (23-man roster): $1,167,500
 
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any chance they waive Gilroy today to potentially open up another slot?

I do think since they have a game tommorow they may made a deal today.

I really hope they are going for Steve Ott out of Buffallo. Offer up Boyle, Gilroy and 2 - 3rds.
 
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Ideally, here is what I would like to see:

Pyatt for Jokinen

Bourque + 4th '13 for Torres

Boyle to Vancouver for a 2nd '14 + 4th '14

Powe + VAN 2nd '14 + NYR 3rd '13 for Glencross

New lines:

Hagelin-Stepan-Nash
MZA-Richards-Gaborik
Glencross-Jokinen-Callahan
Torres-Miller-Asham
 
NYR Boyler87 said:
Ideally, here is what I would like to see:

Pyatt for Jokinen

Bourque + 4th '13 for Torres

Boyle to Vancouver for a 2nd '14 + 4th '14

Powe + VAN 2nd '14 + NYR 3rd '13 for Glencross

New lines:

Hagelin-Stepan-Nash
MZA-Richards-Gaborik
Glencross-Jokinen-Callahan
Torres-Miller-Asham
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I like the moves. If MZA can keep up his play and Jokinen can contribute that would be a solid line up. Just the Rangers need to add someone on D as well.
 
NYR Boyler87 said:
Ideally, here is what I would like to see:

Pyatt for Jokinen

Bourque + 4th '13 for Torres

Boyle to Vancouver for a 2nd '14 + 4th '14

Powe + VAN 2nd '14 + NYR 3rd '13 for Glencross

New lines:

Hagelin-Stepan-Nash
MZA-Richards-Gaborik
Glencross-Jokinen-Callahan
Torres-Miller-Asham
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i would be very happy with the above moves. ecstatic, good mix of smash mouth and skill....
 
I'd expect them to maybe move Boyle, but more likely just add some depth defender who once-upon-a-time scored at a .5 PPG clip or something.

This team just can't pull the trigger on big time deadline moves. They'll wait it out and then turn over half the roster again in the summer.
 
Trxjw said:
I'd expect them to maybe move Boyle, but more likely just add some depth defender who once-upon-a-time scored at a .5 PPG clip or something.

This team just can't pull the trigger on big time deadline moves. They'll wait it out and then turn over half the roster again in the summer.
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Tom Poti? :sarcasm:
 
The time to move Boyle was 2 years ago when his value was sky high. It's very low right now, I think he could fetch more in the summer or next season. He's not this bad.
 
GarretJoseph said:
The time to move Boyle was 2 years ago when his value was sky high. It's very low right now, I think he could fetch more in the summer or next season. He's not this bad.
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It's not THAT low. Teams like players like Boyle with size and strength and the ability to help shut-down other teams top players. Especially out west where it is a bit more physical.
 
Torts would never allow them to get rid of Boyle. He plays too much important minutes under Torts, not that he deserves them.


I think we will make a minor move, either another bottom pair dman or a 3/4 liner.
 
I would sell and stand pat. This isnt going to be the year, the writing is on the wall. Dump what you can and get back some picks ans start fresh next season.
 
MrEctions said:
I would sell and stand pat. This isnt going to be the year, the writing is on the wall. Dump what you can and get back some picks ans start fresh next season.
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I understand that theory but I say yes move Pyatt and Boyle so they are off teh books next yr but get some UFA bodies back to go for it this yr

This yr is messed up but they have to try
 
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