Rumor: Trade Rumours & Proposals | Would NYR Move Kreider? | Reinhart Unclaimed

[redgrant]

Lucic has such a niche set of skills.

He can't play in OT 3 on 3.
He can't penalty kill.
He can't score ev goals.
He has no speed.

So basically the one thing he can do nower days is power play and even that has dried up.

What's gonna a happen when this guy has 15 goals this year at a 6 million hit?

Hes suppose to be this great leader but where the hell was he during the playoffs?

6 million dollars for 7 damn years. Indefensible by chairelli.

 

[Ritchie Valens]

They also played the Heat 2 games in a row, could be scouting them. Maybe a 1st and 2 2nds for McDonagh to Calgary.

I can see the headline now (since Kreider is more gossiped about than speculated to be of interest to the Oilers):

"Kreider traded to the Flames for Sam Bennett and Andrew Mangiapane; Chiarelli is rumored to have offered Puljujarvi and the Oilers 2018 1st round pick but Bennett has more NHL experience so the Rangers accepted Calgary's offer. They also see Mangiapane as a d-man that can solidify the Rangers bottom six in two season's time".

HFOil turns into an insane asylum.

 

[nexttothemoon]

Lucic is a solid forward and a net positive for the Oilers when he's on the ice.

Past 3 seasons stats at 5 on 5:

2.70 GF/60 and 1.95 GA/60 when he's on the ice.

His teammates stats: 2.29 GF/60 and 2.18 GA/60

His opposition stats: 2.22 GF/60 and 2.23 GA/60

Lucic has put up 1.65 pts/60 at 5 on 5 over the last 3 years.

He's had ~7% ozone push over the past 3 years so that helps his offense/defense numbers slightly.

Overall he's not a net negative for this team and replacing him with a better/equal player that brings what he does to the team will be difficult... especially if you are looking to do so at a lower cost.

 

[Soundwave]

Lucic is a solid forward and a net positive for the Oilers when he's on the ice.

Past 3 seasons stats at 5 on 5:

2.70 GF/60 and 1.95 GA/60 when he's on the ice.

His teammates stats: 2.29 GF/60 and 2.18 GA/60

His opposition stats: 2.22 GF/60 and 2.23 GA/60

Lucic has put up 1.65 pts/60 at 5 on 5 over the last 3 years.

He's had ~7% ozone push over the past 3 years so that helps his offense/defense numbers slightly.

Overall he's not a net negative for this team and replacing him with a better/equal player that brings what he does to the team will be difficult... especially if you are looking to do so at a lower cost.

We already have a player better than him, it's Patrick Maroon.

 

[bone]

Lucic is a solid forward and a net positive for the Oilers when he's on the ice.

Past 3 seasons stats at 5 on 5:

2.70 GF/60 and 1.95 GA/60 when he's on the ice.

His teammates stats: 2.29 GF/60 and 2.18 GA/60

His opposition stats: 2.22 GF/60 and 2.23 GA/60

Lucic has put up 1.65 pts/60 at 5 on 5 over the last 3 years.

He's had ~7% ozone push over the past 3 years so that helps his offense/defense numbers slightly.

Overall he's not a net negative for this team and replacing him with a better/equal player that brings what he does to the team will be difficult... especially if you are looking to do so at a lower cost.

I think that's the challenge for the team now, who are they bringing in that can replace him at a lesser amount. There probably aren't many options, so moving on from him probably leads to yet another setback in talent. We can't afford to bleed talent out each year.

 

[nexttothemoon]

We already have a player better than him, it's Patrick Maroon.

I like Maroon as well. I like having TWO good LW on the team like Maroon and Lucic.

I would also like to add a player like Kreider so we could have 3 good, sizable wingers.

We need more good players... not less... and getting rid of Lucic gives the team one less good player.

 

[bone]

We already have a player better than him, it's Patrick Maroon.

Tell me your secret as to how he replaces our second line LW while also playing first line LW.

 

[Soundwave]

Kreider is a really good player ... that said I have a feeling if we trade Puljujarvi, he'll go supernova on the Rangers. It's the Chiarelli way.

 

[Soundwave]

The other issue here is ... so I guess Maroon would be out ... and Krieder in, but that's basically just replacing production.

So basically you'll have traded Puljujarvi to replace Maroon. Eh, c'mon Chia.

 

[Bryanbryoil]

I'd be pissed if we dealt Jesse for anything less than a solid offensive defenseman that is relatively young as part of a package.

I also am a tad concerned that Puljujarvi had 3 shots over 3 games prior to the scouts going to watch him and then 14 in 2 games since. I wonder if he wants out? If he does maybe Chia sees that it's better to deal him than Yakupov him (get nearly nothing back years later?). I REALLY don't want to deal Jesse.

 

[Soundwave]

If Lucic is willing to waive, I'd be willing to do

Lucic@1 mill retained + Puljujarvi

for

Kreider + Grabner

But I think Lucic would have a stick up his bum about it and not waive (oh the days where Oiler players are unwilling to waive to go to NYC).

 

[Canovin]

Rather keep Maroon over Lucic if I had to choose between the two. I don't care what credentials they had in the past but right now Maroon is the superior player at half the cost if he re-signs.

As of right now, McDavid, Drai, Maroon and Nurse are like bffs. You don't destroy that

 

[Soundwave]

Rather keep Maroon over Lucic if I had to choose between the two. I don't care what credentials they had in the past but right now Maroon is the superior player at half the cost if he re-signs

It's not even close right now. Maroon is way better.

 

[guymez]

The best part is we couldn't even get Eberle back for Strome.

Thats really telling...isn't it?
No way the Islanders trade Eberle back to the Oilers for Strome.
Cap savings or not.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

Rather keep Maroon over Lucic if I had to choose between the two. I don't care what credentials they had in the past but right now Maroon is the superior player at half the cost if he re-signs

That's assuming Chiarelli can negotiate a solid deal. If he wants more than 3.5/year then he can take a hike.

 

[Soundwave]

I'd be willing to go up to 4 for Maroon. Where are you going to replace his 60+ points for less than that on the UFA market.

We really need Lucic to leave. Sit down and talk to him Chiarelli, get him to waive his NMC.

 

[Canovin]

That's assuming Chiarelli can negotiate a solid deal. If he wants more than 3.5/year then he can take a hike.

If the Oilers can flip RNH for Kreider. Maroon and Kreider as LWs would be perfect moving forward. Our RWs would be cost effective guys like Yamamot, Grabner and Pulju.
Who knows may be we can lure Duchene here in a year.

Maroon-McDavid-Yam
Kreider-Drai-Grabner
x-Duchene-Pulju

 

[CornKicker]

If Lucic is willing to waive, I'd be willing to do

Lucic@1 mill retained + Puljujarvi

for

Kreider + Grabner

But I think Lucic would have a stick up his bum about it and not waive (oh the days where Oiler players are unwilling to waive to go to NYC).

how does that trade even make a little bit of sense?

oh wait, cap space

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

I'd be willing to go up to 4 for Maroon. Where are you going to replace his 60+ points for less than that on the UFA market.

We really need Lucic to leave. Sit down and talk to him Chiarelli, get him to waive his NMC.

He hasn't even had a 50 point year yet. Dangerous to assume he'll score 60.

And Lucic isn't going anywhere.

 

[Soundwave]

how does that trade even make a little bit of sense?

oh wait, cap space

Kreider in and Lucic out makes the team better now as well as cap space, which would allow us to retain Maroon.

 

[guymez]

It wouldn't surprise me at all if Puljujarvi gets dealt.
He has been a big disappointment so far but who really knows how this player will turn out. One thing for sure...the Oilers organization has had a very good look at him so far.

In terms of a potential return...Kreider is a very good player but he shoots left. Thats an issue with this team right now.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

If the Oilers can flip RNH for Kreider. Maroon and Kreider as LWs would be perfect moving forward. Our RWs would be cost effective guys like Yamamot, Grabner and Pulju.
Who knows may be we can lure Duchene here in a year.

Maroon-McDavid-Yam
Kreider-Drai-Grabner
x-Duchene-Pulju

I would bet very heavily against that. Duchene's not going to want to be the #3 guy here. Especially if the Oilers aren't a playoff team.

 

[Soundwave]

He hasn't even had a 50 point year yet. Dangerous to assume he'll score 60.

And Lucic isn't going anywhere.

Lucic needs to go and Chiarelli needs to be thinking about it now. If not, so be it, Chia's replacement will make it priority no.1. That's the first contract any new GM is going to look at moving.

 

[Canovin]

how does that trade even make a little bit of sense?

oh wait, cap space

Joke is getting old

 

[CornKicker]

Kreider in and Lucic out makes the team better now as well as cap space, which would allow us to retain Maroon.

then why are we putting JP98 in there and taking that bum grabner?

why not just add in a 2019 1st or something. We are supposed to be trying to make our team better.