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[BoldNewLettuce]

Pshh. KHL? Let's grab a couple former Oilers/Oiler draft picks who are tied for second in scoring in the Swiss league.

Robert Nilsson and Fredrik Pettersson.


Pettersson gets bonus points for looking like he could pass for Kassian's older brother.

robert nilsson making a comeback would be a fantastic dagger

 

[Dan Kelly]

Yakimov was a real raw player who only had a season and half here. I do hope that he realizes he might need a couple years in the AHL though.

Yak has had several pro seasons and hasn't been able to produce much in any of them. to me he's more of a suspect at this point in time than prospect.

 

[aspin3]

robert nilsson making a comeback would be a fantastic dagger

You forgot Marc Arcobello who is #6 in scoring in the Swiss league. Former Oilers Omark, Hartikanen, Bumagin, and Larsen all in the top 30 in scoring in the KHL. Not to mention that Toni Rajala and Marc-Antoine Pouliot are 2nd and 3rd in team scoring in the Swiss League as well. I will say this for the OIlers, they draft players that do quite well in Europe.

 

[McDNicks17]

You forgot Marc Arcobello who is #6 in scoring in the Swiss league. Former Oilers Omark, Hartikanen, Bumagin, and Larsen all in the top 30 in scoring in the KHL. Not to mention that Toni Rajala and Marc-Antoine Pouliot are 2nd and 3rd in team scoring in the Swiss League as well. I will say this for the OIlers, they draft players that do quite well in Europe.

The Salavat Yulaev Ufa Oilers.

Omark, Hartikainen, Larsen and Scrivens.

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

There's a couple of interesting guys, if we're looking at Europe, leading the SHL in scoring.

 

[Raoul Duke]

Last year the Oilers regular season and playoffs was certainly a success... game 7 (and losing by a goal) in the 2nd round is better than all but 5 other teams accomplished.

Washington got dumped in 7 in the 2nd round as well. For them it was certainly a disappointment because everyone expected them to win it all... or at least finally to make the finals.

For the Oilers though... a 103 pt season followed by a 2nd round exit (where they actually outscored Anaheim 24-21 in the series... and the Ducks clearly had some had "help" from refs in their wins) was definitely a strong season and a massive step in the right direction for this team.

Maybe it was a success in terms of a team that has sucked for a decade.
Improvement? Sure.
Playoff success? I doubt any good team would look at losing in the second round (after having a 2-0 series lead no less) and call it a success.
Refs didn't cost us the series. No secondary scoring and a lack of puck moving D did.
If a lot of people consider winning a single round a "playoff success", I can totally understand why so many are fine with the team's off season and current construction.

 

[guymez]

If something does go down with Montreal then I think that it has to involve RNH.
If PJ is an add on and the deal involves Galchenyuk then this has to be a multi player deal IMO.

Maybe it was a success in terms of a team that has sucked for a decade.
Improvement? Sure.
Playoff success? I doubt any good team would look at losing in the second round (after having a 2-0 series lead no less) and call it a success.
Refs didn't cost us the series. No secondary scoring and a lack of puck moving D did.
If a lot of people consider winning a single round a "playoff success", I can totally understand why so many are fine with the team's off season and current construction.

That Anaheim series was so very close...it could have gone either way. The refs contributed to losing that series (I dont think that can be argued) but IMO it was a lack of experience that ultimately cost them the series.

That shouldn't be an issue the next time the make the post season.

 

[Raoul Duke]

If something does go down with Montreal then I think that it has to involve RNH.
If PJ is an add on and the deal involves Galchenyuk then this has to be a multi player deal IMO.


That Anaheim series was so very close...it could have gone either way. The refs contributed to losing that series (I dont think that can be argued) but IMO it was a lack of experience that ultimately cost them the series.

That shouldn't be an issue the next time the make the post season.

All that new found experience is really showing right now.

You can blame the refs if you like.
It just seems whiny to me.
Inexperience probably played a part.
What I saw was us stuck in our end a lot. D who's Go to outlet pass was off the glass and out. Zero second line production. Including from Lucic, who I was told was here to be big in that exact situation. There were times early in that series when we were incredibly lucky to be in it at all.
We lost because we weren't good enough.
Full stop.
We needed upgrades, we didn't get them. If you truly believe that team was good enough, congrats, Chia seems to agree. Hell, apparently we could even subtract.
I truly hope you can tell me you told me so this spring.

 

[guymez]

All that new found experience is really showing right now.

You can blame the refs if you like.
It just seems whiny to me.
Inexperience probably played a part.
What I saw was us stuck in our end a lot. D who's Go to outlet pass was off the glass and out. Zero second line production. Including from Lucic, who I was told was here to be big in that exact situation. There were times early in that series when we were incredibly lucky to be in it at all.
We lost because we weren't good enough.
Full stop.
We needed upgrades, we didn't get them. If you truly believe that team was good enough, congrats, Chia seems to agree. Hell, apparently we could even subtract.
I truly hope you can tell me you told me so this spring.

I think my post was pretty clear...I never blamed the refs for the loss. I have no idea why you are still arguing that.

Clearly you are just pissed off about the current state of affairs...I dont blame you. Lots to be pissed off about.

That being said I have not seen a single post that has convinced me that this record is an accurate reflection of how good this team really is.

I call BS to that perspective.

Despite the roster holes this team is still a good team. Much better than their record IMO. If it wasnt I would be at the front of the line banging a drum that so and so needs to be fired or that player X needs to be traded.

This team just needs to get out of its own way. Stop thinking the game and just play.
I have been stating this for weeks now....I still firmly believe that its the primary reason why they are faltering right now.

 

[PatrikOverAuston]

That being said I have not seen a single post that has convinced me that this record is an accurate reflection of how good this team really is.

Rather than a post, how about- I dunno- actually watching the team to know if their record is an accurate reflection of their talent level?

 

[Jumptheshark]

3 way Nuge to Habs Krieder to oilers. But what the rangers

 

[Raoul Duke]

I think my post was pretty clear...I never blamed the refs for the loss. I have no idea why you are still arguing that.

Clearly you are just pissed off about the current state of affairs...I dont blame you. Lots to be pissed off about.

That being said I have not seen a single post that has convinced me that this record is an accurate reflection of how good this team really is.

I call BS to that perspective.

Despite the roster holes this team is still a good team. Much better than their record IMO. If it wasnt I would be at the front of the line banging a drum that so and so needs to be fired or that player X needs to be traded.

This team just needs to get out of its own way. Stop thinking the game and just play.
I have been stating this for weeks now....I still firmly believe that its the primary reason why they are faltering right now.

"The refs contributed to losing that series."
Any way, I was originally responding to a post calling last year a playoffs a success. A successful playoff doesn't end in the second round. The season was a huge improvement though.

I actually agree with you. The team is better than the record. They'll likely turn it around.
I doubt they'll do any better in the playoffs though. Again, hope I'm wrong.
I assume you don't believe that team was perfect.
If I'm pissed off, it's because the same holes exist as last season.
How is it okay to not have addressed a single deficiency.

 

[guymez]

Rather than a post, how about- I dunno- actually watching the team to know if their record is an accurate reflection of their talent level?

Not sure what you are implying here...care to elaborate?

 

[guymez]

"The refs contributed to losing that series."
Any way, I was originally responding to a post calling last year a playoffs a success. A successful playoff doesn't end in the second round. They weren't. The season was a huge improvement though.

Do you dispute that the refs poor officiating contributed to the team losing the series?

I actually agree with you. The team is better than the record. They'll likely turn it around.
I doubt they'll do any better in the playoffs though. Again, hope I'm wrong.
I assume you don't believe that team was perfect.
If I'm pissed off, it's because the same holes exist as last season.
How is it okay to not have addressed a single deficiency.

I said before the season started (and had to defend my posts ad nauseum) that Chiarelli was gambling on a few things working out and that I thought it was a poor gamble. I am not happy at all about being right.

That said (like you) I still do think they will turn this around.
Chiarelli is still going to have to make some moves though (for this team to truly improve) and I think he will.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

Not sure what you are implying here...care to elaborate?

This team has zero depth, an unimpressive defense and a pretty decent (but not elite) goalie.

 

[guymez]

This team has zero depth, an unimpressive defense and a pretty decent (but not elite) goalie.

So...you felt this way last season too?

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

So...you felt this way last season too?

I didn't think the Oilers were a playoff team last year but McDavid and Talbot took their games to another level and the depth, while not amazing, was at least passable and provided some key offense at good times.

We've subtracted at least 4 players and replaced them with crap, garbage, and trash. Jokinen and Strome have done nothing for this team and I don't see that trend reversing itself.

Meanwhile the entire bottom 6 has combined for ONE ES assist. That's very alarming.

 

[Raoul Duke]

Do you dispute that the refs poor officiating contributed to the team losing the series?



I said before the season started (and had to defend my posts ad nauseum) that Chiarelli was gambling on a few things working out and that I thought it was a poor gamble. I am not happy at all about being right.

That said (like you) I still do think they will turn this around.
Chiarelli is still going to have to make some moves though (for this team to truly improve) and I think he will.

NHL officiating sucks.
It contributes to the outcome. Sure. So do a million other things.
The Oilers lost because they weren't good enough.

Aside from that, I don't think we actually disagree here.

 

[CycloneSweep]

NHL officiating sucks.
It contributes to the outcome. Sure. So do a million other things.
The Oilers lost because they weren't good enough.

Aside from that, I don't think we actually disagree here.

That game winning goal in game 6 for sure was bad reffing. But we also gave up what... A 3 goal lead with a few minutes left

 

[belair]

I didn't think the Oilers were a playoff team last year but McDavid and Talbot took their games to another level and the depth, while not amazing, was at least passable and provided some key offense at good times.

We've subtracted at least 4 players and replaced them with crap, garbage, and trash. Jokinen and Strome have done nothing for this team and I don't see that trend reversing itself.

Meanwhile the entire bottom 6 has combined for ONE ES assist. That's very alarming.

If anything, that goes to show that simply ridding yourself of your under-performing players is rarely an effective way of improving your team. Remember the guys who wanted to leave Eberle exposed in the Expansion Draft? Yeah, that would've been great.

I'm hardly as critical of Chiarelli, but if I were to comment, I believe the Pouliot buyout was unnecessary if not a year too early. Pouliot was still a speedy, competitive forward who--when not sitting in the sitting in the penalty box--was a high end PKer, an option on the PP and was capable of playing anywhere in the lineup.

This was a guy that was so hated last season, he was almost completely ignored by the fanbase. We haven't replaced him or his contributions to the team. Jokinen was an attempt, but going out and signing and trading doesn't always fill these holes either.

 

[belair]

That game winning goal in game 6 for sure was bad reffing. But we also gave up what... A 3 goal lead with a few minutes left

It was the tying goal.

 

[guymez]

NHL officiating sucks.
It contributes to the outcome. Sure. So do a million other things.
The Oilers lost because they weren't good enough.

Aside from that, I don't think we actually disagree here.

Yeah...we aren't far off here. Dont get me wrong...I am not suggesting for a minute that the Oilers lost because of poor reffing but it was contributing factor. That cant be denied.

I really think this tailspin is more about the mental part of the game than it is about the roster. Its about growth and learning how to play when expectations are high. There is a lot of pressure on this team this season and (I think it was Bryanbryoil that pointed this out) the team has actually had too much time between games to think about things.

They just need to play IMO.

 

[CycloneSweep]

It was the tying goal.

My point stands.

 

[t0nedeff]

My point stands.

Your point didn't include that without that horrible call on the equalizer the Oilers are up 3-2 in the series and have 2 games to end the series. Something that guy just won't admit, I guess.

 

[Raoul Duke]

That game winning goal in game 6 for sure was bad reffing. But we also gave up what... A 3 goal lead with a few minutes left

Yep. Should've never been in that position.