Rumor: Trade Rumours & Proposals | Would NYR Move Kreider? | Reinhart Unclaimed

[Canovin]

If RNH gets traded, I think Zetterberg would be a good target. He doesn't have a NMC/NTC so we could always trade him when we are up the cap. Makes as much as RNH but can drive his own line and is miles better than RNH defensively. Would be a great mentor for the youth

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

So I am reading from Freidman that Chia and the Oilers are unimpressed with the Strome for Eberle trade?

D'uh, ya think?

Yeah, I mean we could call see this coming. Though, I think Oilers thought that Strome wasn't as much "this" as he has shown.

 

[CupofOil]

Maybe it was a success in terms of a team that has sucked for a decade.
Improvement? Sure.
Playoff success? I doubt any good team would look at losing in the second round (after having a 2-0 series lead no less) and call it a success.
Refs didn't cost us the series. No secondary scoring and a lack of puck moving D did.
If a lot of people consider winning a single round a "playoff success", I can totally understand why so many are fine with the team's off season and current construction.

They finished 28th in the league the prior season so 103 points and taking Anaheim to Game 7 of the 2nd round is an enormous success unless your expectations going into the season was a WCF appearance or bust.
Successful seasons are all relative to where a team is in the process.
For instance, Washington losing in the 2nd round is a failure but for that Oilers team last year, absolutely not.

 

[soothsayer]

So I am reading from Freidman that Chia and the Oilers are unimpressed with the Strome for Eberle trade?

D'uh, ya think?

I mean, he made the damn trade. That would be like if I fudged data in my research team's report and later to my colleagues was like, "guys, I'm not happy about this." wtf?

 

[CupofOil]

I didn't think the Oilers were a playoff team last year but McDavid and Talbot took their games to another level and the depth, while not amazing, was at least passable and provided some key offense at good times.

We've subtracted at least 4 players and replaced them with crap, garbage, and trash. Jokinen and Strome have done nothing for this team and I don't see that trend reversing itself.

Meanwhile the entire bottom 6 has combined for ONE ES assist. That's very alarming.

Which 4 players did they subtract that weren't crap, garbage and trash? Eberle and ???

With that said, Chia didn't do enough in this offseason to address the deficiencies, that much is clear. He banked on a 103 point team that had a lot of luck along the way and depended heavily on their top players to be top players to automatically pick up where they left off. Looks like a losing bet thus far but it's still a season in its infantry stage so lets see how they respond to the adversity. Some early season adversity might serve them well going forward.

 

[Canovin]

I mean, he made the damn trade. That would be like if I fudged data in my research team's report and later to my colleagues was like, "guys, I'm not happy about this." wtf?

Exactly what crossed my mind. If he's not happy with the trade then he should be unhappy with himself. The trade is not bad. It's not doing anything with the 3.5M

 

[Paralyzer]

Exactly what crossed my mind. If he's not happy with the trade then he should be unhappy with himself. The trade is not bad. It's not doing anything with the 3.5M

Well technically he felt Strome + Jokinen would replace Eberle and more, but as we can see, both haven't performed the way we expected. That happens all the time. Look at Dustin Brown for example. No one thought he'd regress the way he did. Same goes with Clarkson, Leivo, Kassian, Phaneuf, etc. It's a risk/reward type scenario. If I go back to the Jokinen signing thread, everyone was saying Jokinen was going to play 3rd line minutes and be an effective player for us, while also mentoring Puljujarvi. Everyone was sure he wouldn't regress that much. It was a mistake but it wasn't a mistake from the get-go. Chia knew he had to move Eberle and he did it without retaining any salary. So we just have to learn from your mistakes and move on.

 

[Canovin]

Well technically he felt Strome + Jokinen would replace Eberle and more, but as we can see, both haven't performed the way we expected. That happens all the time. Look at Dustin Brown for example. No one thought he'd regress the way he did. Same goes with Clarkson, Leivo, Kassian, Phaneuf, etc. It's a risk/reward type scenario. If I go back to the Jokinen signing thread, everyone was saying Jokinen was going to play 3rd line minutes and be an effective player for us, while also mentoring Puljujarvi. Everyone was sure he wouldn't regress that much. It was a mistake but it wasn't a mistake from the get-go. Chia knew he had to move Eberle and he did it without retaining any salary. So we just have to learn from your mistakes and move on.

He brought in Jokinen to replace Pou. He still had 3.5M + Strome to replace Ebs.

 

[soothsayer]

Well technically he felt Strome + Jokinen would replace Eberle and more, but as we can see, both haven't performed the way we expected. That happens all the time. Look at Dustin Brown for example. No one thought he'd regress the way he did. Same goes with Clarkson, Leivo, Kassian, Phaneuf, etc. It's a risk/reward type scenario. If I go back to the Jokinen signing thread, everyone was saying Jokinen was going to play 3rd line minutes and be an effective player for us, while also mentoring Puljujarvi. Everyone was sure he wouldn't regress that much. It was a mistake but it wasn't a mistake from the get-go. Chia knew he had to move Eberle and he did it without retaining any salary. So we just have to learn from your mistakes and move on.

I'm not going to crap on Chiarelli, but let's be honest, he's made a few of these kinds of mistakes. The kinds where virtually the entire fan base (and media, in some cases) express concern about his move, only to have their concerns confirmed later on. His move for Reinhart had everyone going, "wtf." The Eberle trade was another. There's another one in there, but the jury is still out on it, so we won't go there. But you get the point. Sometimes the fans are just right, especially in Edmonton where people really know their shit about the sport, despite what Bob Stauffer says.

 

[McSuper]

If we bring in Kreider we should trade Maroon at the deadline

Or send him and something else to the NYR for Kreider

 

[Zihuatanejo]

To me the Eberle/Strome trade always hinged on what was done with the cap space made available. Probably still too soon to actually judge considering nothing has been done yet. That being said I do think this team is currently missing Eberle's offence. Lots of fans liked to b***h and moan about Eberle when he was here but the fact was that he was a decently productive forward for this team. What he lacked is the edge that fans in this town seem to be so fond of. Edge is all well and good as long as your are still putting up points, if I had to have one without the other in a top 6 forward I take productivity every time but thats just me. Not every player on a team needs to be tough.

Good to see management unhappy with the deal thus far though. As long as he's not trying to claim he's satisfied at this point.

 

[Canovin]

Or send him and something else to the NYR for Kreider

RNH+Maroon for Kreider+Grabner
2019 1st+2nd+prospect for Zetterberg
3rd for Leivo
Strome for Rieder

Kreider-McDavid-Grabner
Lucic-Drai-Rieder
Leivo-Zetterberg-Pulju

 

[LTIR]

Strome for Duclair would be a good swap.

 

[Paralyzer]

He brought in Jokinen to replace Pou. He still had 3.5M + Strome to replace Ebs.

I'm not going to crap on Chiarelli, but let's be honest, he's made a few of these kinds of mistakes. The kinds where virtually the entire fan base (and media, in some cases) express concern about his move, only to have their concerns confirmed later on. His move for Reinhart had everyone going, "wtf." The Eberle trade was another. There's another one in there, but the jury is still out on it, so we won't go there. But you get the point. Sometimes the fans are just right, especially in Edmonton where people really know their **** about the sport, despite what Bob Stauffer says.

That's just it though. We have no control on what he does. All we can hope is there is something else up his sleeve. Either way, I don't let this bend me out of shape as a lot of people here are doing so I am just going with the flow. If he get's fired, well, let's hope we find a BETTER replacement. Last thing we need is regress and not improve.

 

[Weitz]

Strome for Duclair would be a good swap.

Why do the coyotes do this? Because of the dumb brother connection?

 

[McSuper]

I’d party if the Oil could get Kreider. One of my favourite players. Pulju and a 1st is fine with me - gets a TON of speed and skill on the ice now, Pulju May never play in the NHL and the 1st is likely a 70% chance to play in the NHL in 3 years... you do that deal in a second.

There no chance the Oilers do this . To land Kreider we need to send back something of value , a cap dump to make the cap work and probably a pick

I don't think we will resign Maroon .

To Edmonton Kreider

To NYR Maroon , Strome and a 2nd . Opens the cap space and a contract spot

 

[russianoiler]

RNH for Kreider

Strome+1rd 2018 (maybe + high picks/prospects) for Viktor Rask

Build team around 3 C

1c McD
2c Drai
3c Rask

Something like:

Kreider-McD-Puljujarvi
Lucic-Drai-Slepyshev
Maroon-Rask-Caggiula
Jokinen/Khaira-Letestu-Kassian

 

[belair]

Well technically he felt Strome + Jokinen would replace Eberle and more, but as we can see, both haven't performed the way we expected. That happens all the time. Look at Dustin Brown for example. No one thought he'd regress the way he did. Same goes with Clarkson, Leivo, Kassian, Phaneuf, etc. It's a risk/reward type scenario. If I go back to the Jokinen signing thread, everyone was saying Jokinen was going to play 3rd line minutes and be an effective player for us, while also mentoring Puljujarvi. Everyone was sure he wouldn't regress that much. It was a mistake but it wasn't a mistake from the get-go. Chia knew he had to move Eberle and he did it without retaining any salary. So we just have to learn from your mistakes and move on.

If you look at it in the perspective that Strome essentially replaced Desharnais off of the playoff roster and JJ replaced Pouliot, it's a little more realistic. Peoples expectations of those two players were way out of whack IMO. Even with those realistic expectations, these guys are still underperforming but it certainly isn't as drastic as it's being made out to be.

The point here is guys like Jordan Eberle are not immediately replaceable unless you have a young NHL ready player pushing to take his spot. I said it relentlessly in the summer--we were not going to replace Eberle's production. And the same would go for guys that people are so eager to be rid of in RNH and Lucic.

 

[Captain Fantastic]

So I am reading from Freidman that Chia and the Oilers are unimpressed with the Strome for Eberle trade?

D'uh, ya think?

Can't the management stop thinking out loud? If I were unhappy with the trade, I wouldn't let it out publicly. That's really motivating for Strome to get better here. Yeah right..

 

[Paralyzer]

If you look at it in the perspective that Strome essentially replaced Desharnais off of the playoff roster and JJ replaced Pouliot, it's a little more realistic. Peoples expectations of those two players were way out of whack IMO. Even with those realistic expectations, these guys are still underperforming but it certainly isn't as drastic as it's being made out to be.

The point here is guys like Jordan Eberle are not immediately replaceable unless you have a young NHL ready player pushing to take his spot. I said it relentlessly in the summer--we were not going to replace Eberle's production. And the same would go for guys that people are so eager to be rid of in RNH and Lucic.

Of course they can never be replaced. Part of it was Chia's thinking that Slepy and Caggiula would step it up and play more offensive and rack up some goals so it could off-set Eberle being gone. Obviously, it didn't happen, so it was a mistake. I'm willing to wait and see what Chia has to say about that. If he comes up with a stupid remark like MacT did with his 'Visually' bullshit then I'll be calling Chia out on everything. But he's a smart man and I can't see him pulling that same crap. That's why I am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt and hope he corrects this.

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

Why do the coyotes do this? Because of the dumb brother connection?

Because Duclair isn't the prospect people still think he was when he made the Rangers out of camp and scored a few goals. He had a good year with the Yotes a couple years back (20/20 basically), but he was bad last year and has been Strome-esq this year.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

Which 4 players did they subtract that weren't crap, garbage and trash? Eberle and ???

With that said, Chia didn't do enough in this offseason to address the deficiencies, that much is clear. He banked on a 103 point team that had a lot of luck along the way and depended heavily on their top players to be top players to automatically pick up where they left off. Looks like a losing bet thus far but it's still a season in its infantry stage so lets see how they respond to the adversity. Some early season adversity might serve them well going forward.

The players I mentioned weren't world beaters by any means but they still played a role and I don't think it's a coincidence that without Pouliot and Hendricks our PK is a disaster.

 

[Jumptheshark]

have to agree

unless Maroon steps up do not see the Oilers giving him the contract he wants

 

[SomeDudeOTI]

Can't the management stop thinking out loud? If I were unhappy with the trade, I wouldn't let it out publicly. That's really motivating for Strome to get better here. Yeah right..

This is an angle about the situation that puzzles me a bit...

Chia is pretty known for not letting a drop of info get out, but right now all of a sudden he's unhappy and shopping two players?

 

[guymez]

This is an angle about the situation that puzzles me a bit...

Chia is pretty known for not letting a drop of info get out, but right now all of a sudden he's unhappy and shopping two players?

I have to agree with this. It just doesnt make a lot of sense.
I have always wondered with these so called 'connected' reporters...where are they getting their information?