Proposal: Trade Rumours & Proposals Thread: Will we ever get another dman?

[McOvechking]

I seen a post on a Leaf page this morning about this. Im 'okay' with it as long as his salary is retained. Depends whats going the other way as well. He is better than anything we currently have IMO.

For the record, Phaneuf is making $7M/year until the 2020/21 season. That is a ton of money. I agree, I wouldn't want the full contract, but I can't imagine Toronto would be thrilled about having to retain salary for 5 years.

If they retain 1-2 million, I'd be good with Phaneuf. He's not a #1, but he's comparable to guys like Hamonic, and likely won't have as high of price tag

Again, like I said, retention is almost necessary for the Leafs to trade Phaneuf. But I don't think they'd be too thrilled to do so. Do we really want $15-16M locked up for the next 5 years in Sekera, Phaneuf, and Klefbom? That is a pretty huge committment with no RHD.

Is there any legit links? It seems the poster is extrapolating due to Chia wanted Dion when he was in Boston, and that we need a top-4 D.

Absolutely not, and I wasn't trying to present it as a legitimate rumour. It's speculative, but just wanted to open the floor to discussion of bringing in a guy like Phaneuf.

FWIW, Phaneuf is from Edmonton and I think he'd likely be okay with the idea of finishing out his career here. He's 30 right now, by the end of his contract he will be 36. Not too many defenseman of his playing style can keep going after that age.

 

[DavidOilTroops]

I havent watched a Leafs game in a while. How has his physical play been? If he still does that at all, or has it regressed somewhat?

 

[Stoneman89]

I'd prefer him to Korpse. Bring Downie in to try out for the rest of the year. Try to deal Korpse at the deadline. If Downie performs well sign him up. If he sucks the rest of the year just walk away.

Downie is not an upgrade on anything we currently have.

 

[Spawn]

To be honest, id be okay with it too depending on how much dead weight we could shed. Its a gamble though. Id hate to be the guy who pulls that trigger and then Dion starts summoning his inner Cory Cross.

That would be pretty surprising. At least if it happened in the next few years. The dude's spent his entire career as at worst a #3 d-man. I think Phaneuf is a good player and I find it unlikely he's just going to fall off any time in the near future. But as a LHD with the amount of money he's making I'm just not sure it makes a tonne of sense with Sekera and Klefbom already taking up ~10m.

I know he's spent time in his career on the right side, but I want a true RHD as much for their presence on the PP as anything else.

Anyways, the thread on the trade forum was locked. So seems like there wasn't any truth to it.

 

[KlimasLoveChild]

I know points aren't everything. But Korpikoski has twice as many goals and assists as Downie and he's one of the primary PKers on the roster whereas Downie doesn't help there at all.

I understand the allure of a player like Downie. But the actual player... eh. Not worth it.

Particularly with Zach Kassian already here.

The Oilers have a scoring issue in their bottom six moreso than a toughness issue.

Korpse flat out sucks. He fails the eye test and the stats test. Just a worthless bag of sand out there. His work on the pk won't be missed.

We need 2 or 3 more Kassian type players in the forward unit.

Downie had 14-14-28pts a year ago in Pit playing around 12:30mins a night.

I'd definitely take a flyer on the player but to each their own..

 

[McDrai]

I would think if we are making a multi year deal for Hamonic, we should try to send Fayne the other way as one of the pieces.

If RNH would be the one going the other way we really could insist on it.

I'd think they would want Schultz back as he can provide some puck movement. But yes, moving Fayne would be ideal.

 

[Forgot About Drai]

What I'm saying is that he doesn't have to be one of the 3 best PPG centers in the league. Only two centers were PPG while not missing 10 or more games last season. If you think he needs that kind of production in his early 20's to be considered a success your expectations are way too high.

Im fine with that. I was responding to the guy who said he believes Nuge will be a Sedin type player, to which I responded he didnt have that offensive potential in my opinion. Im fine with 55 pt, defensive minded center on our third line.

 

[s7ark]

Still very against Phaneuf. Leafs wont' retain salary on him and 7M for him isn't a good plan. If we're going to offer a big contract to a D I'd prefer Buff or Yandle.

 

[McOvechking]

Still very against Phaneuf. Leafs wont' retain salary on him and 7M for him isn't a good plan. If we're going to offer a big contract to a D I'd prefer Buff or Yandle.

Buff, yes. Yandle, no. We have Sekera, Klefbom, and Nurse for LHD. I'd rather a guy like Buff/Hamonic/Shattenkirk for big money. I think we should add a good LHD for much cheaper (in terms of salary).

 

[Jeff Lebowski]

Downie is not an upgrade on anything we currently have.

He would add some sandpaper to the team, which we are still lacking. Kassian was a good start, but we need more of that.

 

[rasarhdasd]

Phaneuf is bad and has a brutal contract. He's basically a better Schultz which is still not a player worth acquiring.

 

[McOvechking]

He would add some sandpaper to the team, which we are still lacking. Kassian was a good start, but we need more of that.

I'd rather see us add sandpiper to our blueline rather than our forward group. And when we do add sandpiper to our offense, I'd rather a more effective player than Downie. We need a Lucic/Simmonds/Callahan type. I'd rather keep some skill like Korpikoski in our bottom 6.


As for our defense, this is how I envision our salary being spent on D. I think ~$25M is the absolute max we would want to go on defense.

Sekera (5.5) - Byfuglien (6.5)
Klefbom (4.167) - Hamonic (3.857)
Nurse (900k) - Fayne (3.625)

= $24.5M

I think that's reasonable, and the obvious upgrade is Fayne. Buff will probably command more than 6.5, so if we get a cheaper replacement for Fayne I think we can make that work until Nurse gets his new contract.

 

[oilz89*]

There was a tweet that seemed to know something about the Talbot extension there (not sure of the timing).

Imo, just to get one thing straight, I highly doubt the Leafs would retain anything on Phaneuf. They already have a lot of retention on Kessel. They don't want 3 million of dead space in 5-6 years when they are trying to compete.

I like Phaneuf, especially with his strong play this season. It's tricky though. If we go with Phaneuf, that's it. We don't have cap space to go after a guy like Byfuglien. If we traded for Hamonic and added Phaneuf, that would be a solid D core imo. I say do it (if this is for real)

Is there a link to the tweet?

 

[oilz89*]

He would add some sandpaper to the team, which we are still lacking. Kassian was a good start, but we need more of that.

He's also a cancer. No thanks NO. Downie can go rot in the AHL or go cry in his room.

 

[oilz89*]

Phaneuf is bad and has a brutal contract. He's basically a better Schultz which is still not a player worth acquiring.

Hmmm

Phaneuf - a leader and experience, Big shot, #1-2 defenseman, not old, physical as they come, atleast avg to good defensively

Schultz - no shot, not physical, not a leader, terrible defensively


I'm sorry but you want us to get defensemen? Then you will see risks like this. Top pairing dmen don't grow on trees

 

[Soundwave]

I don't think Buff will take a penny less than 7.5 to sign here.

I think he will end up in Florida.

I'd be open to Phaneuf if the Leafs are willing to retain some money, but I'm not sure they are.

 

[rasarhdasd]

Hmmm

Phaneuf - a leader and experience, Big shot, #1-2 defenseman, not old, physical as they come, atleast avg to good defensively

Schultz - no shot, not physical, not a leader, terrible defensively


I'm sorry but you want us to get defensemen? Then you will see risks like this. Top pairing dmen don't grow on trees

If Phaneuf was all those things, why is Toronto trying to dump his contract?

 

[*M*J*D*]

Where did Speedy mention the Talbot signing and who is talking about us getting Phaneuf?

 

[Faelko]

Where did Speedy mention the Talbot signing and who is talking about us getting Phaneuf?

Phaneuf is just Twitter chatter, nothing to it.

 

[oilz89*]

If Phaneuf was all those things, why is Toronto trying to dump his contract?

Because of the cap hit. I admit its too much money but worth a risk in my opinion

 

[*M*J*D*]

Phaneuf is just Twitter chatter, nothing to it.

OK Thank you

 

[Soundwave]

Any thoughts on Anton Stralman? I'm looking at Tampa's cap structure. Despite all the hoopla I don't think they will let Stamkos walk. A sunbelt team that makes the playoffs every year; letting your star attraction and best goal scorer walk isn't a sound strategy IMO. Pay the man.

Griffin Reinhart for Anton Stralman? Gives them cap room, remember they have to sign Kucherov too and have Hedman the following year.

 

[Paralyzer008]

Any thoughts on Anton Stralman? I'm looking at Tampa's cap structure. Despite all the hoopla I don't think they will let Stamkos walk. A sunbelt team that makes the playoffs every year; letting your star attraction and best goal scorer walk isn't a sound strategy IMO. Pay the man.

Griffin Reinhart for Anton Stralman? Gives them cap room, remember they have to sign Kucherov too and have Hedman the following year.

There's no chance they do Reinhart for Stralman.

Stralman is untouchable on their end for sure, fantastic D-man.

 

[belair]

Where did Speedy mention the Talbot signing and who is talking about us getting Phaneuf?

The old Talbot thread.

 

[Jumptheshark]

My gutt is telling me that Klefbom is done for the year