Trade Rumours and Proposals: Part XXXIV

[Holdurbreathe]

Physicality is something you can do consistently at any age.

To an extent, but young players aren't always thinking body first-puck second, and for a player with Zibanejad's potential I wouldn't want him thinking that way either.

There can be no debate Zib wasn't play well for a few games prior to being a healthy scratch, but I thought he skated well last night, made good decision with and without the puck and used his size well.

Now all he has to do is continue to do those things and learn.

 

[YNWA14]

Disagree, establishing a consistent presence game in, game out at the NHL level takes time. Mika has never faced competition or a schedule of this difficulty in his career

Can you provide examples of players that were not physical but became physical when they reached the NHL?

 

[Micklebot]

If a GM has the opportunity to get a 22 year old center with #1 potential at a fair price he doesn't wait, he gets medical opinions and if they pass the muster he pulls the trigger.



I honestly can't believe you wrote this.




I am opposed to it because Spezza needs a big, strong winger that can retrieve pucks, be a net presence and be physically strong enough to battle to get to scoring areas.

This is in addition to Michalek.

IMO Turris doesn't fit that bill at all, actually Greening is a better fit.

Murray needs to give his most effective points producer proven wingers to play with, or this team isn't going to be a true contender.

I realize trying anything this year isn't really a problem, but acquiring ROR isn't just about this year.

So was that Alfie or Heatley when Spezza had his most productive seasons? I think there is more than one type of player that can play with Spezza. Regin had his moments, as did Butler, though neither could maintain it; they're about as far from your ideal player for Spezza's wing as I can imagine.

All that said, I'm not sold on O'Reilly, and I find the comparisons to Bergeron a little much. He's a good player with room to develop, but people are acting like he's a sure thing to be a stud #1 center and seem to be willing to pay with that in mind.

 

[YNWA14]

So was that Alfie or Heatley when Spezza had his most productive seasons? I think there is more than one type of player that can play with Spezza. Regin had his moments, as did Butler, though neither could maintain it; they're about as far from your ideal player for Spezza's wing as I can imagine.

All that said, I'm not sold on O'Reilly, and I find the comparisons to Bergeron a little much. He's a good player with room to develop, but people are acting like he's a sure thing to be a stud #1 center and seem to be willing to pay with that in mind.

I promise you that a stud #1 centre would cost more than Zibanejad + Wierchioch.

We're offering fair value. Every fanbase overrates its own prospects, and on HFBoards unproven assets are rated way higher than what their true value is.

Think about it...do you think Zibanejad + Wierchioch would get Duchene, Skinner, Schenn, Berglund, Couture, etc.?

I mean...would you trade Zibanejad + Wierchioch for Couture if he was available? He plays on a much more offensive team and is way more insulated than O'Reilly but I bet people would jump on that trade in a second.

 

[BonkTastic]

Can you provide examples of players that were not physical but became physical when they reached the NHL?

Not common, but not unheard of.

Usually see it in NCAA guys: once the facemask comes off and you introduce fighting into the game, they tend to be more willing to throw the body around than they were in college, where it's generally frowned upon.

 

[John Holmes*]

Can you provide examples of players that were not physical but became physical when they reached the NHL?

Zenon Konopka.

Lots of guys try to fight their way in to the league.

 

[YNWA14]

Not common, but not unheard of.

Usually see it in NCAA guys: once the facemask comes off and you introduce fighting into the game, they tend to be more willing to throw the body around than they were in college, where it's generally frowned upon.

I usually hear the opposite because they don't have the cage. Either way I'm just saying it's not something that normally happens so it would be a stretch to expect Zibanejad to become some physical force like he could be with his tools.

 

[Ron Jeremy]

Zenon Konopka.

Lots of guys try to fight their way in to the league.

Ya. Zibby's gonna fight his way into the league.

 

[YNWA14]

Zenon Konopka.

Lots of guys try to fight their way in to the league.

Konopka was always physical and had over 100 pims in every season in the OHL except for one.

 

[Vaclav Varada]

Zenon Konopka.

Lots of guys try to fight their way in to the league.

I guess you never saw him play for the 67s or in the AHL. He's been a physical player at every single level he's ever played at.

 

[BonkTastic]

I usually hear the opposite because they don't have the cage. Either way I'm just saying it's not something that normally happens so it would be a stretch to expect Zibanejad to become some physical force like he could be with his tools.

Eh, I'm not even part of this "Zibanejad" debate about toughness. I was just answering the question, haha.

 

[John Holmes*]

Actually I saw every home game he ever played with the 67's and you are wrong. He was no tough guy.

 

[YNWA14]

Actually I saw every home game he ever played with the 67's and you are wrong. He was no tough guy.

Maybe you were watching the wrong player because Konopka has been physical at every level and his penchant for 'toughness' increased at every level. Not everyone starts out a fighter, but the elements were there. He didn't just one day show up in the NHL and start fighting everyone and throwing his body around. It's something he had already trained for for years.

 

[Vaclav Varada]

Actually I saw every home game he ever played with the 67's and you are wrong. He was no tough guy.

As did I (well, close). He was physical.

Konopka and Galbraith were a terror for other teams to play against because of the physicality.

 

[YNWA14]

Tell me that someone who isn't a "tough guy" has 30 fights over 3 years in the OHL. He must have been a tough guy on the road and a lover at home.

 

[Micklebot]

Eh, I'm not even part of this "Zibanejad" debate about toughness. I was just answering the question, haha.

Wasn't Zibanejad considered a physical player who like to go into the high traffic areas in Sel-2 and his 1st season in the SEL. I thought it was just the last season in the SEL where he wasn't as physical, and people blamed it on lack of motivation due to the team sucking.

 

[Vaclav Varada]

Tell me that someone who isn't a "tough guy" has 30 fights over 3 years in the OHL. He must have been a tough guy on the road and a lover at home.

Zenon Konopka and Lance Galbraith were my favourite players on the 00/01 team because of how physical they were. I know for a fact that Z was a physical player, thanks for the proof lol.

 

[DJB]

Moving Turris for O'Reilly is a lateral move to me. Makes little sense in my mind.

 

[Qward]

I don't think Melnyk and Ryan O'Rielly's dad would get along very well.

 

[BondraTime]

O'Rielly is an upgrade trade, while Turris was an upgrade/need trade. We don't need O'Rielly, but if MGMT feels that the upgrade is worth the assets given up, I'm all for it.

 

[FolignoQuantumLeap]

Would you trade Greening for Havlat?

 

[BUCKLE UP]

Would you trade Greening for Havlat?

Without thinking twice.

 

[Legend Killer]

Would you trade Greening for Havlat?

Yes...

 

[Deku]

Would you trade Greening for Havlat?

Not sure why you wouldn't. Havlat is only a few years older than Greening (he's only 31) and is a much better player imo.

 

[Quo]

Would you trade Greening for Havlat?

For sure.