Rumor: Trade Rumour Thread I: Post-Lockout Madness

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

Tim Erixon didnt make the Bluejackets..




http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=413783

A gust of wind could've blown over the kid while he was here. Hes not going anywhere until he gets stronger.

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

A gust of wind could've blown over the kid while he was here. Hes not going anywhere until he gets stronger.

And not just physically.

 

[Samuel Culper III]

A gust of wind could've blown over the kid while he was here. Hes not going anywhere until he gets stronger.

He's listed as 6'3 205lbs. Of all his problems, which were mostly those of a young d-man acclimating to the NHL, I didn't find his strength on his feet to be one of them. He just doesn't like to play physical and push back. He's not, not strong.

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

He's listed as 6'3 205lbs.

Doesn't mean he's strong.

 

[Trxjw]

He's listed as 6'3 205lbs.

205 is probably being generous, but let's not act as if a guys weight or height is a direct correlation with his strength. The knock on Erixon has always been his ability to battle physically. That needs to change or he'll never reach his full potential.

 

[Samuel Culper III]

Doesn't mean he's strong.

Is he 200lbs of fat? He's timid. I didn't see him lacking strength. He lacked push-back. He plays soft. I didn't see him as being weak on his skates though or not being ABLE to use his muscle in the corner. I just saw him being unwilling to play that game.

 

[Thirty One]

Call me a bad person but I somehow feel better now.

You should check out the Flames message board, you'll have company there. They get more joy from Erixon failing than the Flames succeeding. Which is fortunate for them because their team is a trainwreck.

 

[Samuel Culper III]

205 is probably being generous, but let's not act as if a guys weight or height is a direct correlation with his strength. The knock on Erixon has always been his ability to battle physically. That needs to change or he'll never reach his full potential.

I saw it more as a matter of timidness and fight than strength though. He has the size and strength TO do it. He just doesn't. IMO, at least. I also don't think him not making Columbus says anything. They have six spots locked up and there's no benefit to rostering him as the 7th and sitting him in the pressbox. He'll get minutes in the AHL and keep improving.

 

[*Bob Richards*]

Is he 200lbs of fat? He's timid. I didn't see him lacking strength. He lacked push-back. He plays soft. I didn't see him as being weak on his skates though or not being ABLE to use his muscle in the corner. I just saw him being unwilling to play that game.

I believe this covers it.

And not just physically.

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

Is he 200lbs of fat? He's timid. I didn't see him lacking strength. He lacked push-back. He plays soft. I didn't see him as being weak on his skates though or not being ABLE to use his muscle in the corner. I just saw him being unwilling to play that game.

Height and weight doesn't imply strength. Certainly not hockey strength, meaning strong on your skates. Tom Poti was listed t 6'3 210. Would you say he was strong? Willie Huber was 6'5 225. Was he strong?

He lacked push back because he physically couldn't push anyone back.

 

[Kokoschka]

You should check out the Flames message board, you'll have company there. They get more joy from Erixon failing than the Flames succeeding. Which is fortunate for them because their team is a trainwreck.

It's not as much wanting to see him fail (didn't approve of his actions in CGY, but everyone deserves a 2nd chance) as it is being glad about not trading a player, who could have helped us this season.

 

[Samuel Culper III]

Height and weight doesn't imply strength. Certainly not hockey strength, meaning strong on your skates. Tom Poti was listed t 6'3 210. Would you say he was strong? Willie Huber was 6'5 225. Was he strong?

He lacked push back because he physically couldn't push anyone back.

I disagree. I'm not talking universally here. I disagree about Erixon. I think he lacked pushback because he didn't want to push and dig in. I'm not implying anyone has or hasn't played hockey; I played college hockey. The hardest, most exhausting thing you can do in ANY hockey games is spend 10 seconds pinned and battling in the corners. Winning those battles requires WILL much more than strength. That's why little guys can succeed in the corners despite their size. I see Erixon as a player who won't dig to that level to BE strong in the corners. I think he's plenty strong physically.

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

I disagree. I'm not talking universally here. I disagree about Erixon. I think he lacked pushback because he didn't want to push and dig in. I'm not implying anyone has or hasn't played hockey; I played college hockey. The hardest, most exhausting thing you can do in ANY hockey games is spend 10 seconds pinned and battling in the corners. Winning those battles requires WILL much more than strength. That's why little guys can succeed in the corners despite their size. I see Erixon as a player who won't dig to that level to BE strong in the corners. I think he's plenty strong physically.

Now youve just boxed yourself into the theater of conjecture.

Say you're right - which you have no way of proving whatsoever, say that Erixon is strong.

Hes not willing to show it on the ice, so what the hells the difference? Im glad you can see it - somehow.

 

[Samuel Culper III]

Now youve just boxed yourself into the theater of conjecture.

Say you're right - which you have no way of proving whatsoever, say that Erixon is strong.

Hes not willing to show it on the ice, so what the hells the difference? Im glad you can see it - somehow.

Because there's a huge difference between saying a player needs to bulk up and get stronger to play in the NHL and a player needs to learn to play with determination and dig deep. It might bode worse for Erixon that he doesn't seem to have found the necessary gear to battle on the walls than simply needing another year of adding muscle. Anyone can add muscle. Learning how to work harder and play that game is a gear you have to find. I don't think Erixon needs to bulk up to make a team; I don't think his problem is size or strength. I think it's simply not playing an NHL game. He doesn't have a stand out enough skill set that he can get by without playing an NHL game behind the net and in the corners. The point, really though, wasn't about dissecting WHY he fails. The point was you said he wouldn't make a team until he got stronger and I said I don't think strength is the problem. That's all, really.

 

[Clown Fiesta]

If he was plenty strong physically he wouldn't have to rely on willpower to win physical battles.

Yes some battles require you to harness your willpower and out battle your opponent. The majority however are just strength versus strength in which case Erixon is/was often outmuscled.

 

[NYR Viper]

He is still a young kid. Of course he is going to get out-muscled. He is a cerebral player, not a banger. Not everyone has to be in-your-face physical to be effective. Erixon will be just fine.

 

[Clown Fiesta]

He is still a young kid. Of course he is going to get out-muscled. He is a cerebral player, not a banger. Not everyone has to be in-your-face physical to be effective. Erixon will be just fine.

He just needs to be capable of winning one on one battles. He's not ready yet, that's all there is to it. Agree he'll be fine.

 

[BBKers]

Renaud Lavoie ‏@RenLavoieRDS
Brad Winchester is release from his PTO with the Flames.

Cool name, not sure about the rest...

 

[RGY]

I would not be opposed to Connolly if he is bought out

 

[Clown Fiesta]

I'd snag Irving or Karlsson, I think both will be pretty solid in the future.

 

[bernmeister]

Made this today to assist you all when thou art making trade proposals.
Hope it is helpful!


TRADE GUIDLINE WITH ALL CURRENT NYR ASSETS
PLAYERS UNDER CONTRACT WITH NEW YORK RANGERS 2013 (46)

NEW YORK RANGERS (23)
[table="head;width=4200]Nr |Pos| Player| Caphit| Status| Team| Drafted
1| D | McDonagh, Ryan (ELC) | $1,300,000* |RFA 2013| New York Rangers/NHL | R1 #12 Montreal (2007)
2| F | Stepan, Derek (ELC)| $875,000 | RFA 2013 |New York Rangers/NHL| R2 #51 NYR (2008)
3| F | Hagelin, Carl (ELC) | $875,000* | RFA 2013| New York Rangers/NHL | R6 #168 NYR (2007)
4 |D| Sauer, Michael (LTIR) | $1,250,000 | RFA 2013| New York Rangers/NHL | R2 #40 NYR (2005)
5| D| Eminger, Steve | $750,000 | UFA 2013| New York Rangers/NHL| R1 #12 Washington (2002)
6| F | Halpern, Jeff | $700,000 | UFA 2013| New York Rangers/NHL| Undrafted
7| D | Gilroy, Matt| $650,000 | UFA 2013| New York Rangers/NHL | Undrafted
8| D | Del Zotto, M. | $2,550,000 | RFA 2014| New York Rangers/NHL | R1 #20 NYR (2008)
9| F | Gaborik, Marian (NTC)| $7,500,000| UFA 2014 |New York Rangers/NHL| R1 #3 Minnesota (2000)
10| G | Lundqvist, Henrik | $6,875,000 | UFA 2014| New York Rangers/NHL | R7 #208 NYR (2000)
11| F | Callahan, Ryan | $4,275,000 | UFA 2014| New York Rangers/NHL| R4 #127 NYR (2004)
12| D| Girardi, Dan | $3,325,000 | UFA 2014| New York Rangers/NHL | Undrafted
13| D| Stralman, Anton| $1,700,000| UFA 2014| New York Rangers/NHL | R7 #216 Toronto (2005)
14| F| Boyle, Brian | $1,700,000 | UFA 2014| New York Rangers/NHL| R1 #26 Los Angeles (2003)
15| F | Pyatt, Taylor | $1,550,000 | UFA 2014| New York Rangers/NHL| R1 #8 New York Isles (1999)
16| F | Rupp, Mike | $1,500,000 | UFA 2014| New York Rangers/NHL | R1 #9 New York Isles (1998)
17| G |Biron, Martin | $1,300,000 |UFA 2014| New York Rangers/NHL | R1 #16 Buffalo (1995)
18| F | Asham, Arron | $1,000,000 | UFA 2014| New York Rangers/NHL | R3 #71 Montreal (1996)
19| D | Bickel, Stu| $750,000| UFA 2014| New York Rangers/NHL | Undrafted
20| F | Kreider, Chris (ELC)| $1,325,000* | RFA 2015| New York Rangers/NHL| R1 #19 NYR (2009)
21| D | Staal, Marc | $3,975,000 | UFA 2015| New York Rangers/NHL | R1 #12 NYR (2005)
22| F | Nash, Rick (NMC) | $7,800,000 | UFA 2019| New York Rangers/NHL | R1 #1 Columbus (2002)
23| F | Richards, Brad (NMC) | $6,666,667 | UFA 2020 |New York Rangers/NHL| R3 #64 Tampa Bay (1998)[/table]

Assigned to AHL/ECHL/Europe (23)
[table="head;width=4200]Nr |Pos| Player| Caphit| Status| Team| Drafted
24| D | Delisle, Steven (ELC) | $733,333* |RFA 2013| Greenville Road Warriors/ECHL| R4 #107 CBJ (2008)
25| D | Parlett, Blake (ELC) | $537,500| RFA 2013 |Connecticut Whale/AHL| Undrafted
26| D | Niemi, Jyri (ELC) | $700,000*| RFA 2013| Greenville Road Warriors/ECHL| R3 #72 NYI (2008)
27| G | Talbot, Cameron | $550,000 | RFA 2013| Connecticut Whale/AHL | Undrafted
28| D | Pyett, Logan | $600,000| RFA 2013| Connecticut Whale/AHL| R7 #212 Detroit (2006)
29| D | Collins, Sean | $600,000 | UFA 2013| Connecticut Whale/AHL| Undrafted
30| F | Mashinter, Brandon | $550,000 | UFA 2013| Connecticut Whale/AHL| Undrafted
31| F | Segal, Brandon| $550,000 | UFA 2013| Connecticut Whale/AHL| R4 #102 Nashville (2002)
32| D| Vernace, Mike | $525,000| UFA 2013| Connecticut Whale/AHL| R7 #201 San Jose (2004)
33| F | Kolarik, Chad | $525,000 | UFA 2013| Connecticut Whale/AHL| R7 #199 Phoenix (2004)
34| F | Jean, Kyle (ELC)| $925,000* | RFA 2014| Connecticut Whale/AHL| Undrafted
35| F | Bourque, Ryan (ELC) | $900,000* | RFA 2014| Connecticut Whale/AHL| R3 #80 NYR (2009)
36| G | Missiaen, Jason (ELC) | $750,000* | RFA 2014 |Connecticut Whale/AHL| Undrafted
37| G | Stajcer, Scott (ELC)| $700,000* | RFA 2014| Greenville Road Warriors/ECHL| R5 #140 NYR (2009)
38| F | Wilson, Jason (ELC)| $588,333 | RFA 2014| Connecticut Whale/AHL| R5 #130 NYR (2010)
39| D | McIlrath, Dylan (ELC)| $1,295,000* | RFA 2015 |Connecticut Whale/AHL| R1 #10 NYR (2010)
40| F | Haley, Micheal| $600,000 | UFA 2014| Connecticut Whale/AHL| undrafted
41| F | Newbury, Kris | $600,000 |UFA 2014 |Connecticut Whale/AHL| R5 #139 San Jose (2002)
42| F | Thomas, Christian (ELC)| $970,000* | RFA 2015 |Connecticut Whale/AHL| R2 #40 NYR (2010)
43| F | Fast(h), Jesper (ELC)| $900,000* |RFA 2015| Loaned to HV71/SEL| R6 #157 NYR (2010)
44| F | Yogan, Andrew (ELC)| $800,000 | RFA 2015 | Connecticut Whale/AHL| R4 #100 NYR (2010)
45| F | Lindberg, Oscar (ELC) | $760,000* |RFA 2015| Loaned to Skellefteå AIK/SEL| R2 #57 PHX (2010)
46| F | Hrivik, Marek (ELC)| $685,000* | RFA 2015 |Connecticut Whale/AHL| Undrafted[/table]

CONTRACTED PLAYERS THAT DO NOT COUNT against 50 contract limit
[table="head;width=4200]Nr |Pos| Player| Caphit| Status| Team| Drafted
+| F | Zuccarello, Mats (not signed)| Rights retained| UFA 2013 |Metallurg Magnitogorsk/KHL| Undrafted
+| F | Miller, J.T. (ELC S)| $1,244,167* | RFA 2016 |Connecticut Whale/AHL| R1 #15 NYR (2011)
+| F | St. Croix, M. (ELC S)| $665,000 | RFA 2016| Juniors - Edmonton Oil Kings/WHL |R4 #106 NYR (2011)[/table]

Players still unsigned but with rights retained by NYR
[table="head;width=2500]Pos| Player|Team| Drafted
D |Pashnin, Mikhail| HC Lokomotiv Yaroslavl/KHL |R7 #200 NYR (2009)
F |Fogarty, Steven| Notre Dame Fighting Irish/CCHA| R3 #72 NYR (2011)
F |McColgan, Shane| Saskatoon Blades/WHL | R5 #134 NYR (2011)
D |Noreau, Samuel | Baie-Comeau Drakkar/LHJMQ |R5 #136 NYR (2011)
D |ČereÅ¡ňák, Peter| Peterborough Petes/OHL| R6 #172 NYR (2011)
D |Skjei, Brady | Minnesota Golden Gophers/WCHA |R1 #28 NYR (2012)
F |Nieves, Cristoval | Michigan Wolverines/CCHA| R2 #59 NYR (2012)
D |Andersson, Calle| Färjestad BK/SEL | R4 #119 NYR (2012)
F |Spelling, Thomas| Oskarshamn/HA | R5 #142 NYR (2012)[/table]

* - includes bonus money in contract
ELC - denotes player on Entry Level Contract
NTC - denotes No Trade Clause in Contract
NMC - denotes No Movement Clause in Contract
LTIR - denotes player placed on Long time injury reserve

NYR Draft picks in 2013

• 2nd round NYR
• 3rd round Florida (for W. Wolski 2012)
• 3rd round Nashville (for NYR 3rd round pick 2012)
• 3rd round NYR
• 3rd round Columbus (in Nash trade 2012, conditional - that NYR do not go to SC finals in 2013)
• 4th round NYR
• 6th round NYR

• NO 1st rounder (traded to Columbus for Rick Nash... 2012)
• No 5th rounder (traded to Nashville for Nashville 5th 2012 - chose Tomas Spelling at #142)
• NO 7th rounder (traded to Minnesota along with Eric "Crusher" Christensen for Casey Wellman 2012)

NYR Draft picks in 2014

• 1st round NYR
• 2nd round NYR
• 3rd round NYR
• 4th round NYR
• 5th round NYR
• 6th round NYR

• Eventually NO 7th rounder (conditionally traded to San Jose along with Tommy "horror-movie" Grant for Brandon Mashinter 2013)

Thank you!
Great job on summary, even better commentary...

 

[bernmeister]

I gather these are the remaining pieces that are still unsigned. Some are on tryouts.
Not a whole lot to choose from, and some of these guys will almost certainly never hit NHL ice again...
Thoughts?

[...]
Defense

Chris Campoli

[...]

Is this guy a fit contract wise and additionally for us?
I gather CBH, if memory serves, were not too thrilled with him, but he's young enough he might have enough in the tank for balance of this year reserve fighting for 6th on this squad.

Of course, I'm hoping instead a better name turns up with the final cuts, and we don't want to have already made our bed, but it appears we have enough room for someone inexpensive. Do we want to look at this guy for this year?

 

[Samuel Culper III]

I'd snag Irving or Karlsson, I think both will be pretty solid in the future.

Karlsson is already 30, if memory serves. The future can't be too much further down the road if he plans on turning into a solid goalie. He's a serviceable backup.

 

[Clown Fiesta]

Karlsson is already 30, if memory serves. The future can't be too much further down the road if he plans on turning into a solid goalie. He's a serviceable backup.

29... Time flies or I was thinking of someone else all together. Pass on him. Although solid and serviceable mean the same thing to me. Irving would be nice to have in the system. Obviously we're in good shape with Hank and Biron but I still wouldn't mind someone we can groom as Biron's replacement.

 

[GregSirico]

Want him on the Rangers so bad

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qait0UqBSRU