Speculation: Trade Rumors/Speculation Thread Part V: Zib-a-dabba-do

[DelZottoHitTheNetJK]

Are we seriously considering Tyler Myers right now? That kids game has been in shambles for the past 2 seasons, he's awful..

 

[Gardner McKay]

He has. Just throwing out names who I am sure are on their list.

Does Howden have top 6 potential?

 

[Mamas Mustard]

Are we seriously considering Tyler Myers right now? That kids game has been in shambles for the past 2 seasons, he's awful..

Completely correct there, but if Buff was willing to retain half his salary, and we part with MDZ+ a 2nd and maybe a c+ level prospect, I would be willing to take a gamble with him. His potential, despite his couple of down years, is worth the price it would take to get him.

But this all starts with Buffalo retaining some salary. If not? Do Not Want.

 

[Lime]

I'm not sure if Florida would have interest in Del Zotto seeing as they have Kulikov. Isn't he in a similar position as DZ?

 

[Bacon Artemi Bravo]

Imo Coyle has a lot more value than MDZ.

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

For the record, guys, I'm down with most of the forward names that've been thrown around on the last page, in particular the centers (Bjugstad is another personal fav, up there with Coyle and Zib). Connolly and Wilson would be enticing on the wing as well. Etcetera. But in each case, you're essentially targeting the other team's version of Kreider. My point is that if such a guy is unavailable, then a Myers (with cap retention) deal is my second choice over a collection of B prospects or some 30-year old plus a pick.

 

[Mamas Mustard]

For the record, guys, I'm down with most of the forward names that've been thrown around on the last page, in particular the centers (Bjugstad is another personal fav, up there with Coyle and Zib). Connolly and Wilson would be enticing on the wing as well. Etcetera. But in each case, you're essentially targeting the other team's version of Kreider. My point is that if such a guy is unavailable, then a Myers (with cap retention) deal is my second choice over a collection of B prospects or some 30-year old plus a pick.

Exactly. We're not going to be receiving any team's best (or even 2nd best) prospect with a package including MDZ as the main piece. We should be targeting the players who may seem to us as a young reclamation project with upside who may have had a less than spectacular season, because that's exactly how other teams are viewing MDZ.

Look at Brass. He might not be playing well at the moment, but if it wasn't for him, we would never have had the chance to be embarrassed by the Bruins last year.

 

[NYR Viper]

Does Howden have top 6 potential?

Not sure. Maybe more of a 3rd/2nd line tweener with size and leadership abilities.

 

[NYR Viper]

Imo Coyle has a lot more value than MDZ.

Why do you say that?

Exactly. We're not going to be receiving any team's best (or even 2nd best) prospect with a package including MDZ as the main piece. We should be targeting the players who may seem to us as a young reclamation project with upside who may have had a less than spectacular season, because that's exactly how other teams are viewing MDZ.

Look at Brass. He might not be playing well at the moment, but if it wasn't for him, we would never have had the chance to be embarrassed by the Bruins last year.

I think most teams who are looking to compete sooner rather than later would move their top prospect for a sure thing top-4 LD puck mover. They wouldn't be moving them for a 35 year old UFA to be.

 

[Miller Time NYR]

Are we seriously considering Tyler Myers right now? That kids game has been in shambles for the past 2 seasons, he's awful..

No, personally I'd want nothing to do with him on the rangers the lure of his size, good reach and heavy shot are outweighed by his terrible positioning and overall game. Buffalo is going into rebuild mode their not going to be strapped for cap space, they spent a high pick on this kid and are more than likely going to hold onto him and see if he can get it together, unless they get a deal that's going to blow them out of the water which we should definitely stay far far away from.

 

[Mamas Mustard]

Why do you say that?



I think most teams who are looking to compete sooner rather than later would move their top prospect for a sure thing top-4 LD puck mover. They wouldn't be moving them for a 35 year old UFA to be.

But with the way MDZ has played, and then handled by AV, is he viewed as a "sure thing top-4 LD" now around the league? Let alone the fact that no one has even seen him play LD in over a year.

 

[RangersHank*]

But with the way MDZ has played, and then handled by AV, is he viewed as a "sure thing top-4 LD" now around the league? Let alone the fact that no one has even seen him play LD in over a year.

I think there will always be value for MDZ, benched or not.

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

But with the way MDZ has played, and then handled by AV, is he viewed as a "sure thing top-4 LD" now around the league? Let alone the fact that no one has even seen him play LD in over a year.

Sure. He has two seasons of 41 and 37 points. He's 23 and won't be 24 until June. Which do you think is more likely: he's physically breaking down OR he needs a change of scenery?

 

[RangersHank*]

Sure. He has two seasons of 41 and 37 points. He's 23 and won't be 24 until June. Which do you think is more likely: he's physically breaking down OR he needs a change of scenery?

Lol. I think he needs to play left D before management makes a decision.

 

[NYR Viper]

But with the way MDZ has played, and then handled by AV, is he viewed as a "sure thing top-4 LD" now around the league? Let alone the fact that no one has even seen him play LD in over a year.

I believe so. He hasn't looked good on his off-side. That doesn't cancel out his past production and top-4 play in all situations.

Sure. He has two seasons of 41 and 37 points. He's 23 and won't be 24 until June. Which do you think is more likely: he's physically breaking down OR he needs a change of scenery?

Exactly.

And when there are multiple teams interested, I don't think there is much of a doubt that teams still see him as a viable top-4 young d-man.

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

You never know. But it would not surprise me at all to see Sather land a top kid being discussed here for MDZ.

Report was 5-6 teams interested. MDZs contract makes him a cheap "upside buy". No limit to the market due to contract can create a bidding war. Top 4 dmen who can move the puck are extremely valuable. And small market teams who struggle with landing UFAs could be willing to pony up (Gologoski trade, Calgary overpaying for Wideman).

Again nothing is guaranteed. But there will definitely be numerous takers out there who are in no way "doing the Rangers a favor" by taking DZ.

 

[RangersHank*]

You never know. But it would not surprise me at all to see Sather land a top kid being discussed here for MDZ.

Report was 5-6 teams interested. MDZs contract makes him a cheap "upside buy". No limit to the market due to contract can create a bidding war. Top 4 dmen who can move the puck are extremely valuable. And small market teams who struggle with landing UFAs could be willing to pony up (Gologoski trade, Calgary overpaying for Wideman).

Again nothing is guaranteed. But there will definitely be numerous takers out there who are in no way "doing the Rangers a favor" by taking DZ.

What kind of top kid are you talking about? Just curious

 

[Calad]

Imo Coyle has a lot more value than MDZ.

Howso? Isn't he a prospect that projects to be a top6 player? MDZ is an already established top4 player with 4 pro seasons under his belt (at the age of 23)

 

[Mamas Mustard]

Sure. He has two seasons of 41 and 37 points. He's 23 and won't be 24 until June. Which do you think is more likely: he's physically breaking down OR he needs a change of scenery?

There is no doubt in my mind that DZ needs a change of scenery. But players who need a change of scenery never seem to garner full value in return for them. I know this example has been thrown around on this thread, but look at the return Dallas got for Neal. He was a player who needed a change of scenery, and Dallas got back an underwhelming Goligolski.

What I'm saying is, there is no NEED to trade MDZ, only if the value coming back is right. I think the other interested GM's are going to try to lowball Sather, and he's not going to go for it, leaving everyone half-surprised when they see DZ on the roster come April.

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

What kind of top kid are you talking about? Just curious

Someone in the Coyle, Zibanejad, Connoly, Palmieri, Bjugstad mold.

Real good prospect. Still not fully proven. Not Drouin/Barkov level.

 

[RGY]

There is no doubt in my mind that DZ needs a change of scenery. But players who need a change of scenery never seem to garner full value in return for them. I know this example has been thrown around on this thread, but look at the return Dallas got for Neal. He was a player who needed a change of scenery, and Dallas got back an underwhelming Goligolski.

What I'm saying is, there is no NEED to trade MDZ, only if the value coming back is right. I think the other interested GM's are going to try to lowball Sather, and he's not going to go for it, leaving everyone half-surprised when they see DZ on the roster come April.

I won't be surprised. He has put up the point totals and he is just 23 years old. Sather isn't going to do anyone any favors and get low-balled in a trade. If the right one doesn't come along then MDZ will still be here.

 

[RangersHank*]

Someone in the Coyle, Zibanejad, Connoly, Palmieri, Bjugstad mold.

Real good prospect. Still not fully proven. Not Drouin/Barkov level.

I can see Connolly being traded quicker than the other guys. I doubt Ottawa trades Zibanejad after trading Silfverberg, who is another young guy.

 

[Trxjw]

I'm not sure if Florida would have interest in Del Zotto seeing as they have Kulikov. Isn't he in a similar position as DZ?

Sort of, but Kulikov has never matched the kind of production that MDZ has demonstrated.

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

I know this example has been thrown around on this thread, but look at the return Dallas got for Neal. He was a player who needed a change of scenery, and Dallas got back an underwhelming Goligolski.

Not how I remember it to be honest.

Just over a year ago Dallas Stars fans were faced with the most decisive trade since Jamie Langenbrunner and Joe Nieuwendyk were sent to the New Jersey Devils in 2002. With the Dallas Stars in serious need of defensive help and facing an uncertain financial future, the Stars needed to find a way to help bolster a blue that was in trouble. The Stars lacked a true transitional game, something that was costing them dearly at a crucial point in the season and while Philip Larsen was showing some promise the Stars had little in the way of an answer within the system.

It wasn't just about last season alone, either. The Stars, without an owner and with the sale of the team more uncertain than ever, the chances of improving the blue line through free agency were drastically slim. Thus the Stars were forced to make the decision to improve the defense through a trade, most notably in need of a top pairing defenseman that could move the puck and actually produce offensively.

To do so, the Stars would have to pay a price. Every team needs "puck moving defensemen," perhaps the most coveted asset in hockey today. These sorts of players don't come cheap and when the Stars began to focus on Alex Goligoski of the Pittsburgh Penguins, it became clear that the Stars would have to provide a significant player in return and with the Penguins already deep on defense, the Stars would have to part with one of their young and talented wingers.

http://www.defendingbigd.com/2012/2...rgh-penguins-matt-niskanen-trade-nhl-deadline

 

[Off Sides]

I think some here are going to be disappointed by the return for Del Zotto if he is moved.

If another team had the current Del Zotto, arbitration eligible RFA to be with the stats to get a nice contract awarded to him, what would you realistically move from the Rangers to get that player if the Rangers needed a 2nd pair LD?

Would you move a top prospect for him? Kreider Miller, Fast, McIlrath?

Would you move a good young player still on his entry level of just coming off it?

How about John Moore? which is more useful J Moore on his entry level or Del Zotto going forward on a new more expensive contract?

Basically if the Rangers needed Kulikov what would you want traded for him? I'd assume most would say Pyatt, Poiliout, not J Moore, Miller, etc.