Speculation: Trade Rumors/Speculation Thread Part IV: Yak Yak Yak Yak

[Trxjw]

Even though he is like 5'10ish, I think, not great for D pushing out the crease, he is a solid investment for QB-D.

Asked in another thread about
MDZ
for
Morin + Clendenning + either a 2nd or McNeil

Discussion of value was moot, cause, to effect that Hawks need RD down the road, and MDZ is strictly lefty.

Morin and Clendening would be a great package for MDZ, but like the other posters pointed out, it doesn't fit Chicago's needs at all.

I really disliked Morin in his early development years, but in the last couple seasons he's really turned into a very good player. Less of a puck hog and has a much better compete level. (I know ODC's ears are ringing now that I've said that.)

 

[Trxjw]

Is Berglund playing that bad this season? I remember him being borderline untouchable a few years ago.

He's not playing badly, but he's not creating much offense and people always hoped he would be a 55-60 point center. He's solid defensively and has a physical element, but he hasn't been shooting enough. He's not really an optimal fit in Hitch's system, but I can't imagine Brassard would be either.

 

[Raspewtin]

Chicago has absolutely no need for DZ. They have Hjalmarsson in that 2nd LHD spot, and he's a country mile better than DZ defensively.

 

[Raspewtin]

He's not playing badly, but he's not creating much offense and people always hoped he would be a 55-60 point center. He's solid defensively and has a physical element, but he hasn't been shooting enough. He's not really an optimal fit in Hitch's system, but I can't imagine Brassard would be either.

Berglund would be a perfect fit on this team. Brassard in Hitch's system though............I don't know about that. I think Brassard needs a coach that wont let him slack, Torts got the most out of Brassard out of anybody. But I'm not sure this trade happens.

 

[RangerBoy]

Can the Rangers get by with Falk as their #6 for the rest of the season? Buys development time for the young guys. Falk also gives the Rangers a physical presence. DZ is the better player. That's not the issue. Everyone says the Rangers can't trade DZ because they need a player to replace him and that's hard at his cap hit. DZ can't produce his previous numbers when he isn't playing or isn't being used like he was used under Tortorella. McDonagh has taken his PP time. DZ isn't used on the PK. Second unit PP. Third pair defenseman. Plays the right side. Its one thing to play the right side with Staal and another thing to play the right with Moore.

 

[bernmeister]

Not in a million ******* years do we consider these. You don't get it do you? You want our GM to operate just like the NHL game series does. Well guess what, some times prospects bust. Unlike the NHL series, they fail. Trading established NHL players for ones that have a chance at failing is a formula for... FAILURE.

You have been after Hertl for a while so I will use him as an example.

Hertl has an unsustainable shooting % right now of 21.4%. He will still be a good player but when his shooting % comes back to earth at around 10.5-12%, his goal total will be roughly cut in half meaning he is not truly a 50 goal scorer (at this time).

IIRC you were willing to trade Stepan + Staal +? for Hertl. You will trade a sure fire 20 goal/60 point C and an All star defenseman for a kid who may top out as a 30G scorer (if you are lucky)? Ridiculous. Asinine. Flat out crazy.

Hertl is a second choice backup to Jones/Risto. I brought it up in response to a thread which had Hockeyball, a respected SJ poster, say Hertl was off limits, and I asked if this applied to massive overcompensation as well, with a speculation of how much that would take.

There is risk in everything, but certain guys are less likely to fail (Hertl, Kreider) and others are less certain sure things (Yakupov, worth a measured risk, + a little more to have a winning bid).

No I do not capitulate to your demand that I bend buckle and break.

Trjxw said we have to overpay to get a real guy, a real piece, no issues, that we want need. He and I are in agreement with that.

Where we disagree is, given you have to pay top dollar + to get top dollar, if we went for Jones, we would be looking at something like Miller, Skjei, Allen, Andersson, Nieves + Kristo for Jones.

We are better off, particularly as we have Brassard and Richards for this season, to use Stepan and what he commands, as a lion's share of payment.

Rangers can listen to me and make super speed line w/Kreider + Miller or not.

Can listen to me and make a bold move for a significant block, even if expensive, like Risto, Jones, or not.

Doing so will accelerate our ability to compete with the elite.
Failure to do so will retain status quo.

Yield to the friggin logic, and stop being such a Stepan lover, not to trade under almost any circumstances, ergo bernmeister could not possibly be right.

 

[Raspewtin]

I like the idea of Berglund and Falk in the lineup, honestly. Lack of size (most notably at center) killed us against LA. When we get Nash back, it'll definitely help on the wings. But all of our centers are small and not physical, having a 6' 3" physical specimen like Berglund down the middle would really help.

 

[bernmeister]

Are the Rangers rebuilding?

Your consistently put forth trades for top 3 draft picks - mostly teenagers - and frame it as filling a need. You want to acquire these players by trading current Rangers that already fill a need. Its nonsense.

It is not nonsense.
It is acquiring cap friendly flexible assets useful going forward.

Even after the trade, we still have enough depth to fill our needs.

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

It is not nonsense.
It is acquiring cap friendly flexible assets useful going forward.

Even after the trade, we still have enough depth to fill our needs.

Ive heard that before, it almost always turns out to be untrue.

But more importantly, if these young cap friendly assets are so useful (which I actually agree with), why in the hell would teams like Colorado or Nashville be willing to trade a MacKinnon or Seth Jones? Its unrealistic.

 

[RangerBoy]

Hitch loves Berglund. The Blues lost to the Caps yesterday. Berglund wasn't playing. Hitch said they missed Berglund. Steen is having a career year for the team. I saw their game against Carolina on Friday. Steen scored his 17th or 18th on a wicked wrist shoot. Everything he touches goes in the net. Amazing season. From: @jprutherford
Sent: Nov 18, 2013 9:29a

#stlblues notebook: "@STLBluesNews: Hitchcock says Blues missed Berglund http://t.co/f74xwHR7B2"

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[Trxjw]

Trjxw said we have to overpay to get a real guy, a real piece, no issues, that we want need. He and I are in agreement with that.

Where we disagree is, given you have to pay top dollar + to get top dollar, if we went for Jones, we would be looking at something like Miller, Skjei, Allen, Andersson, Nieves + Kristo for Jones.

I never said you needed to overpay to get someone, Bern. I simply said that if you want to get a certain type of player, then go get that kind of player. Don't settle, but not settling isn't synonymous with trading a #1C and multiple defensemen for futures and that's exactly what you're doing.

I'm not advocating trades that make the team considerably worse.

 

[Clown Fiesta]

Berglund would be a perfect fit on this team. Brassard in Hitch's system though............I don't know about that. I think Brassard needs a coach that wont let him slack, Torts got the most out of Brassard out of anybody. But I'm not sure this trade happens.

Torts didn't have much of an effect on Brassard, Torts himself said something along the lines of having guys who needed to learn what the coaches wanted of them and that Brassard was just playing his way but they were working with him. Basically Brassard just came and played hockey, I think he was just in the moment instead of over thinking things which is his problem right now.

 

[RangerBoy]

The Avs liked DZ last season when the Rangers liked ROR. LeBrun reported Jim Nill wants to rebuild his D. Lavoie reported the Panthers are looking for D. Russo has written about the Wild needing to improve their D. Garrioch wrote Ottawa is looking to improve their D. Edmonton is another team. Some of those teams don't have much to trade. Chicago has Keith,Seabrook, Oduya,Hammer and Leddy as their top 5. Hammer is a lefty playing the right side. They don't need Del Zotto. The Blues don't need him.

 

[BarbaraAlphanse]

Torts didn't have much of an effect on Brassard, Torts himself said something along the lines of having guys who needed to learn what the coaches wanted of them and that Brassard was just playing his way but they were working with him. Basically Brassard just came and played hockey, I think he was just in the moment instead of over thinking things which is his problem right now.

Torts had a huge effect on Brassard. His whole system suited Derrick perfectly. It took offensive creativity and thinking completely out of the equation. Offensive creativity and thinking is what is causing DB to overthink everything right now.

Torts told DB to focus on defense, something more instinctual. Block the puck, grind out the boards, clog the lanes, disrupt the game, shoot from anywhere. No pressure on DB to live up to any offensive expectations because no one was living up to offensive expectations.

 

[LiveLongandProspal]

What do you guys think of picking up Yannick Weber off waivers from the Canucks? He's cheap , he's a RHD and he's 25. He can also help the PP.

 

[Punxrocknyc19*]

What do you guys think of picking up Yannick Weber off waivers from the Canucks? He's cheap , he's a RHD and he's 25

rangers dont need another dman that does not do anything special especially one that has no size or scoring ability.. Weber is Matt Gilroy 2.0

5 goals 27 assist in 125 games is not that good at all.. some offensive dman he is.

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

Torts had a huge effect on Brassard. His whole system suited Derrick perfectly. It took offensive creativity and thinking completely out of the equation. Offensive creativity and thinking is what is causing DB to overthink everything right now.

Torts told DB to focus on defense, something more instinctual. Block the puck, grind out the boards, clog the lanes, disrupt the game, shoot from anywhere. No pressure on DB to live up to any offensive expectations because no one was living up to offensive expectations.

And yet, Brassard somehow played the best hockey of his career under Torts. Weird.

Blaming the coach for a players lack of production is an epidemic around here, to the point of absurdity.

 

[Clown Fiesta]

Torts had a huge effect on Brassard. His whole system suited Derrick perfectly. It took offensive creativity and thinking completely out of the equation. Offensive creativity and thinking is what is causing DB to overthink everything right now.

Torts told DB to focus on defense, something more instinctual. Block the puck, grind out the boards, clog the lanes, disrupt the game, shoot from anywhere. No pressure on DB to live up to any offensive expectations because no one was living up to offensive expectations.

Brass was one of our most creative players last year and was thinking the game well, he wasn't a robot.

I'll find the quote, I think it was towards the end of the regular season or in the first round and it was Torts basically just saying Brassard was doing his own thing and he was ok with it because of the results but that he wanted him to focus on some things.

You could tell Brassard wasn't totally committed to Torts system, but we'll argue about this for days because it's based on perception and opinion.

And yet, Brassard somehow played the best hockey of his career under Torts. Weird.

Blaming the coach for a players lack of production is an epidemic around here, to the point of absurdity.

No one even did that in this conversation...

 

[Kwayry]

I'd love to get Morin and Clendening on this team. Morin is knocking on the door and is exactly what this team needs.

 

[Raspewtin]

Mike Halford ‏@HalfordPHT 3m
Oilers waive LaBarbera, Canucks waive Weber http://wp.me/p14QU5-9FsB

Should pick him up for the Wolf Pack.

 

[Punxrocknyc19*]

Should pick him up for the Wolf Pack.

its a risk because once claimed by another NHL team, he would need to be waived by the team that just picked him up and could take a chance of getting claimed by a different NHL team.

 

[BBKers]

Should pick him up for the Wolf Pack.

Is there not something about not being able to claim a guy off waivers and then not being able to send him down för 30 days? Thought so...

 

[Raspewtin]

I forgot he'd need to be waived again to go back down.

Ignore my post

 

[Thirty One]

Is there not something about not being able to claim a guy off waivers and then not being able to send him down för 30 days? Thought so...

I don't believe so. If a player clears waivers he can be sent down without waivers at any point during the next 30 days. Is that what you're thinking?

Zach Boychuk was claimed off waivers by Nashville and Pittsburgh within 30 days last season.

But Labarbera's $75,000 cap hit while in the minors would make the Rangers uninterested in claiming him, I would think. A trade for Asham, however...

 

[Trxjw]

I don't believe so. If a player clears waivers he can be sent down without waivers at any point during the next 30 days. Is that what you're thinking?

Zach Boychuk was claimed off waivers by Nashville and Pittsburgh within 30 days last season.

But Labarbera's $75,000 cap hit while in the minors would make the Rangers uninterested in claiming him, I would think. A trade for Asham, however...

Was a good idea before, and is still a good one now. Assuming LaBarbera clears waivers anyway.