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If Girardi isn't going to be re-signed.


NYR: Yukapov, Petry Oilers: Girardi, Fast, 2nd

I think they ask for Miller instead of Fast. Either that or a 1st.

Keeping Del Zotto out, leaves open a possibility for another trade.
 
RangerBoy said:
Why is that player available? There's something wrong with the player. Teams don't trade those players after less than 2 years. Eric Duhatschek wrote a column yesterday on Edmonton needing a taker for Hemsky or Yakupov and they can sucker Sather into taking one of their problem off their hands. Very nice. From: @globehockey
Sent: Nov 6, 2013 9:27a

Globe hockey columnist @eduhatschek puts on his GM hat and sees a potential trade between the Oilers and Rangers: http://t.co/qCkaSt2T2o

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On Twitter: http://twitter.com/globehockey/status/398094377945694208
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There was something wrong with Tyler Seguin too.
 
eco's bones said:
Pretty sure Allen is a right D. He shoots left but was on the right side in pre-season. The d-men he paired with were Staal and Falk. Allen played well. Calm with the puck--low panic threshold--skated well--defended well. Seems to have a little bit of offense to his game as well.

It should be LD--McDonagh, Staal, MDZ, Moore, Falk, Johnson, Skjei
RD-Girardi, Stralman, McIlrath, Allen, Bickel, Syvret.

Take away Girardi and/or Stralman--the right side is going to be a lot weaker. Take MDZ or even Moore out of LD and we're still pretty good. We probably could even manage without Staal. Agree with your assessment on both McDonagh and Staal--the more ice time the better they play. So both DZ or Moore are there to swing a deal if you get something back that you want--though it's nice to have extra D around going into the playoffs. Between Moore and DZ I'd prefer to keep Moore--bigger, better skater. Think Moore's skating would make him a better fit for the right side on the 3rd pair than DZ.

Back to the right side for a moment. Best case scenario is that one of McIlrath, Allen are in the NHL by next year. Younger players--cheaper contracts more cap friendly enabling more $ to plethora of free agent signings next year. Rangers cannot afford to lose both Girardi and Stralman and I would prefer both return next year with either McIlrath or Allen taking the bottom pairing job.
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Allen is a left D in the NHL.

A left shooting D is a left D in the NHL by default nowadays. Big handicap to play the off-side for anyone. You will only find emergency solutions out there that are exemptions to this rule to be honest.
 
BroadwayBlues said:
If Girardi isn't going to be re-signed.


NYR: Yukapov, Petry Oilers: Girardi, Fast, 2nd

I think they ask for Miller instead of Fast. Either that or a 1st.

Keeping Del Zotto out, leaves open a possibility for another trade.
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This trade is never happening from the Oilers side
 
RangerBoy said:
Why is that player available? There's something wrong with the player. Teams don't trade those players after less than 2 years. Eric Duhatschek wrote a column yesterday on Edmonton needing a taker for Hemsky or Yakupov and they can sucker Sather into taking one of their problem off their hands. Very nice. From: @globehockey
Sent: Nov 6, 2013 9:27a

Globe hockey columnist @eduhatschek puts on his GM hat and sees a potential trade between the Oilers and Rangers: http://t.co/qCkaSt2T2o

sent via HootSuite
On Twitter: http://twitter.com/globehockey/status/398094377945694208
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What was wrong with Mats Sundin that Qubeck dealt for Wendel Clarke or Owen Nolan that Colorado dealt for Sandis Ozolinsh or Ryan McDonagh that Montreal dealt for Gomez?
 
Barbara Underhill said:
There was something wrong with Tyler Seguin too.
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You're comparing Seguin to Yakupov? Seguin wasn't a problem child on the ice. Julien gave him tough love in his rookie year. He played well in some games against Tampa in 2011. Seguin got in trouble when he didn't score in the playoffs last season. If you saw the Bruins feature with the front office talking about Seguin,they were mad at him for not being Kane and scoring big goals. Seguin is a natural center and was moved to wing by Boston. I saw an interview with him yesterday from Boston. The Stars beat the Bruins last night. He said he prefers playing center but had no issues moving to the wing to help the team.
 
GrapesOfMcIlrath said:
I'm all for going after Yakupov, by why on earth would you include not one, but two of our RDs? Are you really that obsessed with McIlrath? Or do you just enjoy seeing Stu Bickel patrolling our blueline? And by patrolling, I mean turning the puck over and doing his best impression of a traffic cone.
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So he can finally replace McIlrath with a Russian scoring winger.
 
haveandare said:
I totally disagree with the bolded. ...

it's dumb to trade a prospect who is showing that he is capable of being a solid player in many facets of the game for a guy who ["has a ton of potential"].
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You are definitely right to your opinion, and I get your pts.

But the bolded part is just what the people of the default opinion would disagree with. You wouldn't trade a player that might become solid for a player that has a ton of potential.

I count on a ton of risk in Yak from the KHL and I also count on him being really expensive, that makes me worried. That aside, no doubt I would deal a kid that might be solid for him.
 
eco's bones said:
Don't know what some people expect from a coach. Yakupov wants to score goals. He doesn't want to backcheck or do any dirty work is pretty much what I've gotten out of that situation. That anybody questions Eakin for sitting his ass on the bench for that kind of attitude is what I find mystifying.
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Have you ever watched Yakupov play? One single game? He doesn't skate or backcheck or forecheck or do any dirty work?

I really do not understand that description of Yakupov, and I have probably seen him play 50 games.

The kid is what he is. I just don't get the need to make braindead remarks about him.
 
RangerBoy said:
What are you talking about?
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The below.

RangerBoy said:
Why is that player available? There's something wrong with the player. Teams don't trade those players after less than 2 years. Eric Duhatschek wrote a column yesterday on Edmonton needing a taker for Hemsky or Yakupov and they can sucker Sather into taking one of their problem off their hands. Very nice. From: @globehockey
Sent: Nov 6, 2013 9:27a

Globe hockey columnist @eduhatschek puts on his GM hat and sees a potential trade between the Oilers and Rangers: http://t.co/qCkaSt2T2o

sent via HootSuite
On Twitter: http://twitter.com/globehockey/status/398094377945694208
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Ola said:
What was wrong with Mats Sundin that Qubec dealt for Wendel Clarke or Owen Nolan that Colorado dealt for Sandis Ozolinsh or Ryan McDonagh that Montreal dealt for Gomez?
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At some point you have to look at the prospect pool and realize the Rangers have a lot of guys who will be solid tweeners in the NHL. That's good but you cannot fill your line-up with them. They are good trade bait for a team who needs lunch pail type character guys and can spare offensive talent players. I am not opposed to moving a strength to fill a weakness, but I am not sure Yakupov is the guy to throw perfectly good assets at. Unfortunately he seems to be the only one available at the moment. Should the Rangers wait? Probably but waiting assumes someone else will become available.

Tough spot.
 
Look what Dallas traded for Seguin. Eriksson and Reilly Smith. There were other pieces. Joe Morrow who is on his 3rd team already. Eriksson and Smith were the two main pieces. If Yakupov is Seguin,Edmonton should get two main pieces too. Not an expiring contract. At least two pieces. Two NHL pieces. Some of you are sounding like Sather who has been for 13 years and its the same **** every year.
 
Trxjw said:
So he can finally replace McIlrath with a Russian scoring winger.
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Eh, I was being somewhat facetious. I knew the answer before I even asked the question. I was a lurker, but I was around when we drafted McIlrath, and the ensuing hissy fit.

McIlrath, outside of Kreider, is IMO, the most untouchable prospect we have. With Girardi and Stralman UFAs at the end of the season, there is a legit possibility that McIlrath could have to step into Top 4 minutes in the NHL next season. Trading him along with Girardi nearly ensures that we have to throw good money at not one, but two Top 4 NHL RDs.

That, and we would still have the same problem of having too many LDs, with McD, Staal, Moore, and MDZ already proven at the NHL level, as well as Allen pushing for a spot.

It just makes sense that any move we make be centered around MDZ. Clears some of the LD logjam, and can return genuine value.
 
RangerBoy said:
You're comparing Seguin to Yakupov? Seguin wasn't a problem child on the ice. Julien gave him tough love in his rookie year. He played well in some games against Tampa in 2011. Seguin got in trouble when he didn't score in the playoffs last season. If you saw the Bruins feature with the front office talking about Seguin,they were mad at him for not being Kane and scoring big goals. Seguin is a natural center and was moved to wing by Boston. I saw an interview with him yesterday from Boston. The Stars beat the Bruins last night. He said he prefers playing center but had no issues moving to the wing to help the team.
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Since when does comparing the situation which was painfully obvious equate to comparing players?

Please tell me, are there questions about Yakupov's attitude? Yes? Ok. Can the same not be said about Seguin?

Your comment insinuated that something was wrong, I think that's clear. What is unknown is whether or not it's temporary or the kid is just doomed to fail. I don't see him as a bust.
 
If you only read blogs you might be inclined to think that EDM won't deal players. Are building with what they have.

Just by looking at the real world situation, its extremely easy to figure out that EDM gotta wheel and deal some. They have alot of stuff, but their NR 1 picks just isn't that extremely good to row a NHL ship by themselves, and right now they don't have a team.

I think its pretty annoying to hear a claim that something must be wrong with a player that EDM is trying to deal.

Yaks is what he is. I think he is pretty weak for a 1st overall pick. I think he will be expensive. There is a risk that he might bolt to the KHL. And what not. Pretty annoying to see talk about him being a super-cancer that don't skate and hit once per shift and what not.
 
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