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Speculation: Trade Rumors/Speculation Thread Part II (Mod warning post #861)

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Trxjw said:
All that tells me is that people would love to have Yakupov in hindsight after they trade him away somewhere down the line. Yakupov, in the best case, becomes Gaborik part two. Gaborik is a multi-time 40 goal scorer. That's what Yakupov does (or is supposed to do). He's not a dynamic playmaking presence. He's a give me the puck and let me shoot it player.

For all of the things Gabby was, he was never a malcontent. Yakupov might grow out of his "that's not how I'm going to play" phase, but it's a risk no matter how people want to try and justify it. I think Yakupov is going to be a good player, but does he really fit in with this team?
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He didn't fit in with the Torts version of the team, but the AV version? Seems like a better fit. And given the lack of finish by the 2nd to last in goals scored Rangers, I'd love to add a potential 40 goal scorer to the mix. Especially when you look at the lack of goal scorers in the pipeline.
 
ck20 said:
What defensive depth do the Rangers have? Stu Bickel? :help: I'm always at a loss when people talk about defensive depth in the Rangers system, because there is literally next to no one of NHL caliber/readiness in the next 3 years aside from the obvious in McIlrath.
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Falk, Syvret, and Johnson all have significant NHL playing time in a bottom pairing role.

Are they as good as our boys? No, because we have been spoiled. But you have to give to get and those players constitute free guys who are ready to play in the NHL at a moment's notice.

Allen and McIlrath are also promising.
 
RangerBoy said:
Vigneault wants to his players to take care of the puck. That's why Miller didn't play last night. He didn't manage the puck properly in the 2nd period of the Canes game. Lundqvist was yelling at him. AV wants his players to compete. Yakupov wants to score goals and not do anything else.
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He said he wants to play better without the puck, but would rather play with it. And you know what? I recall Mats Zuccarello saying nearly the same exact thing when he came back from Russia last year. The only difference I can see is that one was a 25 year old Norwegian and the other is a 20 year old Russian.
 
ck20 said:
We know next to nothing about Yakupov's NHL game so far. ~60 game sample size, almost all coming from a lockout-shortened season. Just stat watching and going off hearsay, but his stats don't look too shiny and I've heard people say he's been a healthy scratch for a handful of games this season. It is sort of his sophomore season though. To say he WILL improve Ranger scoring is looking into a crystal ball. Gaborik, Richards, and Nash were supposed to carry the offense of this team and look at what happened over the last 2 seasons. Richards dropped off the face of the earth, Gaborik couldn't score and was traded, and nobody had chemistry with anyone. Getting rid of the huge package and our own homegrown up-and-coming talent we would inevitably have to part with to get Yakupov will likely hurt the team more than help in the immediate and long run.
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All trades are looking into crystal balls and guessing. Plus the guys I was talking about trading have all of 1 goal between them, and Del Zotto certainly looks like a guy needing a change of scenery. Not sure that will negatively impact our current play.
 
Dr. Ogrodnick said:
He didn't fit in with the Torts version of the team, but the AV version? Seems like a better fit. And given the lack of finish by the 2nd to last in goals scored Rangers, I'd love to add a potential 40 goal scorer to the mix. Especially when you look at the lack of goal scorers in the pipeline.
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He fit in just fine with the Torts version of the team that went to the ECF the year before.

Again, AV wants his players to be responsible at both ends, and play hard every shift. He's not going to turn a blind eye to lack of effort because the guy scores 40 goals.
 
It's all about the cost. On playstyle alone, Yakupov is not on the top of my list of young players I would want the Rangers to acquire. Someone like Evander Kane, for instance, would be a better fit for our needs/playstyle, imo. However, as much as we would love to acquire Kane, I don't believe that Winnipeg would move him barring a huge payment.

The KHL/attitude/unproven factor makes me even less willing to pay a premium for Yakupov. Nonetheless, Yakupov's potential is still significant. He needs to be viewed as a high risk, high reward asset and that needs to be reflected in the price.

Assuming you're talking Yakupov alone and given our defensive depth, I would probably begrudgingly trade MDZ as the centerpiece for him and add 1-2 less valuable pieces (ie: no 1st rounders, other young NHL players, or Miller/McIlrath). I would not be happy paying more than that in light of the risks.
 
RangerBoy said:
Vigneault wants to his players to take care of the puck. That's why Miller didn't play last night. He didn't manage the puck properly in the 2nd period of the Canes game. Lundqvist was yelling at him. AV wants his players to compete. Yakupov wants to score goals and not do anything else.
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So do Richards and Brassard get benched now? Because they made plays with the puck that I wouldn't attempt in a pick up ice game.
 
Trxjw said:
He fit in just fine with the Torts version of the team that went to the ECF the year before.

Again, AV wants his players to be responsible at both ends, and play hard every shift. He's not going to turn a blind eye to lack of effort because the guy scores 40 goals.
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I was talking about Yakupov fitting in, not Gaborik.
 
azrok22 said:
It's all about the cost. On playstyle alone, Yakupov is not on the top of my list of young players I would want the Rangers to acquire. Someone like Evander Kane, for instance, would be a better fit for our needs/playstyle, imo. However, as much as we would love to acquire Kane, I don't believe that Winnipeg would move him barring a huge payment.

The KHL/attitude/unproven factor makes me even less willing to pay a premium for Yakupov. Nonetheless, Yakupov's potential is still significant. He needs to be viewed as a high risk, high reward asset and that needs to be reflected in the price.

Assuming you're talking Yakupov alone and given our defensive depth, I would probably begrudgingly trade MDZ as the centerpiece for him and add 1-2 less valuable pieces (ie: no 1st rounders, other young NHL players, or Miller/McIlrath). I would not be happy paying more than that in light of the risks.
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I'd love to trade Del Zotto, Pyatt/Boyle and a 2nd, but that won't get it done.
 
As always it comes down to what you give up. If you have to trade Lunqvist, Callahan, Stepan, McDonagh and Kreider to get him, you obviously don't do it. If you only have to give up a 7th rounder, you obviously do. The question is where on the spectrum the compensation would have to be. Those who are saying simply "do not want" are being short-sighted and dogmatic.

If you have a chance to get the former consensus overall #1 pick just a year after he was drafted of course you take a shot at it. If it's MDZ and some extras, run don't walk. When those extras start to become Miller and a #1, that's when I start to hesitate - that's a LOT. I might give those assets for Taylor Hall, but the very same risks everyone is up in arms about regarding Nail should bring the asking price for him down below that IMO.

EDIT: or, ya know, exactly what azrok said. :laugh:
 
Tawnos said:
It isn't uncommon for multiple front office people to take a trip together.
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No, but with Brooks reporting and then Dreger mentioning something, it's more than reasonable to believe that they were there to see the Rangers' players.

Again, Messier has an intimate knowledge of the Rangers players. They aren't asking his advice on the Duck's goaltender, who they have plenty of opportunities to see live. Ducks are looking for Defense. Who is Edmonton trading to the Ducks for their goaltenders?
 
I'm all for trading for Yakupov, as long as none of the following players are involved: Lundqvist, Nash, Stepan, Hagelin, McDonagh, Staal (Strålman, Zuccarello, Boyle)

The last three because I think their actual value vastly exceeds their trade value and they would only be included as complimentary pieces, i.e. not be central players in a deal and we should move other assets if we can.
 
KreiMeARiver said:
Yeah.....we aren't trading Kreider....but they can talk about it all they want.

Because of NYC's massive Russian population, I could see Yaks becoming more motivated, but I'd be leery of trading a key D for him. Ideally, MDZ,+(Fast,Lindberg, etc.) 2nd for Yak.
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Don't know if that would get it done, but if it could, SIGN ME THE **** UP!
 
NYR Viper said:
You wouldn't have taken Kovalchuk from 20-30 years old? I would have...
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I don't think the Kovalchuk vs. Yakupov comparison is all that valid -- Kovalchuk is a physical marvel, which helped him immensely.

Even then, the NHL game proved to be too difficult for him.
 
Championship said:
No, but with Brooks reporting and then Dreger mentioning something, it's more than reasonable to believe that they were there to see the Rangers' players.

Again, Messier has an intimate knowledge of the Rangers players. They aren't asking his advice on the Duck's goaltender, who they have plenty of opportunities to see live. Ducks are looking for Defense. Who is Edmonton trading to the Ducks for their goaltenders?
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I'm just pointing out the possibility that the Ducks are scouting a greater need than what the Rangers have to offer them. Who says they're asking Messier's advice on anything regarding the Rangers players? Why do they need to watch a Rangers game in person to ask Messier's advice in the first place? Brooks and Dreger are only doing what you're doing (speculating), not reporting on actual rumors.

And would it really be shocking to see the Ducks add a player like Hemsky to further increase their chances of making noise come playoff time?
 
mdz isnt a good fit in edmonton really. hes isnt a big time defender and he wont help their god awful ga differential. hes an offensive guy whos so-so even at that. we would have to throw in another chip for sure but no way i over pay. i try to steal him. they need defensive help and a quality goaltender. we have dmen we can move.

mdz
girardi
mcilrath
skjei

i dont believe for a second that yak isnt available though. they are loaded with young impact forwards. hes the odd man out if they want to deal for immediate help on the blue line. i offer low and see where it goes. the khl discount is in play.

they can wait to draft an ekblad but right now they need back end help.

keep in mind, if yak was having another season like last year, we wouldnt be talking about this. he might be available because hes struggling, if he catches fire hes pulled off the market.

strike while the iron is hot. hes a world class talent with confidence issues right now.

bolting to the khl is always a concern. does that create a discount ? the oil have to worry about him doing that and leaving them with nothing.
 
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