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What's considered serious now was not considered serious back then. What was considered serious back then would probably lead the doctors to advise you to stop playing hockey today.
Speculation: Trade Rumors/Speculation Part X: Sather Falls Asleep on the Phone
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What's considered serious now was not considered serious back then. What was considered serious back then would probably lead the doctors to advise you to stop playing hockey today.
Petey Pucks
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true...but the question still remains for high profile players? Today the amount of injuries to high profile players due to cheap shots and headshots is higher than it's ever been.....20 years ago this was not the case...players were afraid to take the liberties they do today back then on other teams good players
Take for example Gretzky ( I know this is not the most fair example ).....how often did you see cheapshots on him?.....
The Gloaming
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Lindros?
I still don't think that a goon that can barely hold a hockey stick and plays 3 minutes per game protects the opposing goon from taking cheapshots. And there exists no evidence to prove otherwise.
Players have to start respecting each other. First and foremost. That, and we need to get the Cooke's, Kaleta's, Scott's, etc. out of the league early. Not keep suspending them for 15 games. Ban those with extensive history of cheapshots.
Matt Cooke should have been banned years ago.
Petey Pucks
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yeah but Lindros couldn't ever keep his head up and players took note of that....if Lindros played with his head up I don't think his career would have ever ended early.
as for your plan I would love the nhl to implement something like that ....but they won't... and the debate will continue
Fastest no....shiftiest indeed ; )
The Gloaming
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Obviously, most of the blame lies on Lindros for skating with his head down. But consider that the definition of "headshot" has changed. Go look at Scott Stevens' highlight reel. Half of those hits would be considered headshots today. I don't care what anyone says. Those were OK by the 90's standards. Today, he'd be facing long suspensions.
The Gloaming
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Landeskog has a chance to become a top winger in the league. Callahan doesn't. Sticking a "C" on someone's jersey doesn't make them untouchable. And it sure doesn't mean they should forever play with your team.
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Will Pashin ever come to fruition?
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Random I know, he was on a chart a couple pages back showing we still had his rights, had no idea we did, thought the kid had a great camp a while back.
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Random I know, he was on a chart a couple pages back showing we still had his rights, had no idea we did, thought the kid had a great camp a while back.
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Amazing Kreiderman
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I'm still thinking dz and a rental like d.moore for a young rd like Barrie and a gritty winger like McLeod
I Eat Crow
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Trade chatter has died down considerably. I don't think we'll see any major moves until after the Olympic break. See who is still healthy after the Olympics, assess the situation, and decide to buy or sell at the deadline. The Rangers may very well be well out of a playoff spot by then.
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If they're out of the playoffs, I hope they're as far out as possible. Cause, you just know if they're only 4-6 points out Sather becomes a buyer.
You are right to your opinion, but I just don't get why Colorado or a team like that would give up a Landeskog for Girardi. I would love to hear your explanation for why you think Girardi would bring back a bounty.
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You're out of your mind if you think the Av's would tradre Barrie to basically MDZ when MDZ has been crap this year and Barrie has been excellent for the Av's.
Wel no Barrie hasn't he was sent down for a while and only recently has came back up and played better
Are you sure that is not a iPhone auto-correct screwing up his posts? Because that is what I am saying pretty clearly and his posts doesn't exactly seem to indicate that he is agreeing with me.
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Adrian Dater
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Scouts from the following two Eastern NHL teams here for Avs-Flyers...
Those would be the New York Rangers and Columbus Blue Jackets. Start the trade speculation now.
The Jackets have been at a few Avs games of late, and this is a new trip for the Rangers.
about 10 hours ago
Scouts from the following two Eastern NHL teams here for Avs-Flyers...
Those would be the New York Rangers and Columbus Blue Jackets. Start the trade speculation now.
The Jackets have been at a few Avs games of late, and this is a new trip for the Rangers.
My point is this.
You can wheel and deal, grind it out and maximize your assets. That is really important and will have an impact. Don't waste picks. Find the best players for all positions through out the organization's entire depth chart. You cannot overlook the importance of doing so. And at this place, we spend a ton of time and are genuinly facinated by this process.
But you cannot mix the cards up.
Ryan Callahan and Dan Girardi are easily top 3-5 MVPs for this organization the last 19 years. We aren't a contender right now, but we aren't a joke either and that is thanks to those guys. Dan Girardi is our No. 1 RD and Ryan Callahan is our captain. They have combined 1060 games in NY, and make out the "locker room" for this team.
When we make the decision on if we are trading Callahan and Girardi we of course gotta take into account what we are getting in return. And it is in this regard that I feel that we must get something in return that "counts" for it to be worth it. Look at when we dealt Gabby. Brassard is a good young player with a lot of value. The same with John Moore. Not much short of Gabby would have pried those two away from CBJ if you get what I mean. And you know, how valuble has that trade been for us really? I think that was a good trade. But the marginals are darn small.
Marian Hossa and Pascal Dupuis was traded for Colby Armstrong, Erik Christensen, Angelo Esposito and a late first round pick that was used on Daultan Leveille.
Ilya Kovalchuk was dealt for Niclas Bergfors, Johnny Oduya, Patrice Cormier and a late first-round pick that was used on Kevin Hayes.
Where that good trades? At the time, many thought so. And hindsight, all that was moved was "crap".
My point is just, when you make a big trade, unless you make sure to get back -- one piece that really will count -- there is a risk that you won't get anything.
And to trade Daniel Girardi and / or Ryan Callahan to save a mil or two and a year or two on what they are worth while risking to get -- nothing -- in return, or a Danny Fritsche II in return, is just not worth it. And no, I am definitely not comfortable with a Tatar or Gustav Nyqvist really making it "count" here in NY. Nor Kyle Palmieri. Nor a late 1st round pick. We have depth here in NY. Young home grown depth and a lot of back-up on the farm. We don't need depth, a team without depth that has been contending for 10 years can dump a star for 2-3 depth pieces and come out on top of a trade, we need core guys now, not to mention if we deal Callahan and Girardi... The "odds" of getting those core guys from the players mentioned is just -- slim. Its here that I think some people are mixing up the cards. We all love that depth when we pick them with a 3rd round pick or sign a undrafted college kid. If we draft Kyle Palmieri in the 3rd round or sign him as a UFA from College its a great move. If we trade Girardi for him, its c-r-a-p. You must make that distinction. Those moves never builds a team.
So deal them if we can get a piece back that really counts. That really makes this team better. If not, you gotta think real hard and long before deciding to let them go.
You can wheel and deal, grind it out and maximize your assets. That is really important and will have an impact. Don't waste picks. Find the best players for all positions through out the organization's entire depth chart. You cannot overlook the importance of doing so. And at this place, we spend a ton of time and are genuinly facinated by this process.
But you cannot mix the cards up.
Ryan Callahan and Dan Girardi are easily top 3-5 MVPs for this organization the last 19 years. We aren't a contender right now, but we aren't a joke either and that is thanks to those guys. Dan Girardi is our No. 1 RD and Ryan Callahan is our captain. They have combined 1060 games in NY, and make out the "locker room" for this team.
When we make the decision on if we are trading Callahan and Girardi we of course gotta take into account what we are getting in return. And it is in this regard that I feel that we must get something in return that "counts" for it to be worth it. Look at when we dealt Gabby. Brassard is a good young player with a lot of value. The same with John Moore. Not much short of Gabby would have pried those two away from CBJ if you get what I mean. And you know, how valuble has that trade been for us really? I think that was a good trade. But the marginals are darn small.
Marian Hossa and Pascal Dupuis was traded for Colby Armstrong, Erik Christensen, Angelo Esposito and a late first round pick that was used on Daultan Leveille.
Ilya Kovalchuk was dealt for Niclas Bergfors, Johnny Oduya, Patrice Cormier and a late first-round pick that was used on Kevin Hayes.
Where that good trades? At the time, many thought so. And hindsight, all that was moved was "crap".
My point is just, when you make a big trade, unless you make sure to get back -- one piece that really will count -- there is a risk that you won't get anything.
And to trade Daniel Girardi and / or Ryan Callahan to save a mil or two and a year or two on what they are worth while risking to get -- nothing -- in return, or a Danny Fritsche II in return, is just not worth it. And no, I am definitely not comfortable with a Tatar or Gustav Nyqvist really making it "count" here in NY. Nor Kyle Palmieri. Nor a late 1st round pick. We have depth here in NY. Young home grown depth and a lot of back-up on the farm. We don't need depth, a team without depth that has been contending for 10 years can dump a star for 2-3 depth pieces and come out on top of a trade, we need core guys now, not to mention if we deal Callahan and Girardi... The "odds" of getting those core guys from the players mentioned is just -- slim. Its here that I think some people are mixing up the cards. We all love that depth when we pick them with a 3rd round pick or sign a undrafted college kid. If we draft Kyle Palmieri in the 3rd round or sign him as a UFA from College its a great move. If we trade Girardi for him, its c-r-a-p. You must make that distinction. Those moves never builds a team.
So deal them if we can get a piece back that really counts. That really makes this team better. If not, you gotta think real hard and long before deciding to let them go.
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I saw the Avs-Flyers game last night. Not much on the Avs. Barrie was a healthy scratch. He is a small defenseman.
https://twitter.com/adater/status/418925738155188224
Maybe the Rangers can get the Avs #1 pick in June. They don't have the top 4 D to give up for DZ. McGinn is a bottom six forward.
https://twitter.com/adater/status/418925738155188224
Maybe the Rangers can get the Avs #1 pick in June. They don't have the top 4 D to give up for DZ. McGinn is a bottom six forward.
Amazing Kreiderman
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CharlieCharleschuk
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You're arguing as if the posters you're arguing with on this board all have a vote on who we trade and when - like American Idol or something.
It's not the case. It's very clear that Ranger management is doing exactly what you're saying.
Part of the long, hard thought process would be to consider that if Callahan or Girardi decline extensions offered by the Rangers prior to the deadline, then like Kovalchuk, they would have to be moved for the best available package by any responsible management group.
I think what others are saying, though, is that even if they haven't declined an extension, they should be considered assets and movable for the right package. I think people are questioning the logic of inevitably paying these guys like top tier free agents considering their likely future performance and health issues as they get older on long-term NMC contracts.
It's a valid concern.
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