Speculation: Trade Rumors/Speculation Part X: Sather Falls Asleep on the Phone
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NYR Viper
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I think Boyle can fetch us a 2nd. Maybe not an early 2nd, but those teams aren't trading for Boyle.
Only way I move Boyle is if he's part of a package for a better player.
MDZ + Boyle + pick/prospect for (enter scoring forward/RHD here)
MDZ + Boyle + pick/prospect for (enter scoring forward/RHD here)
I dunno -31-. He's been providing energy. How can you quantify that? 3rd line is generally a checking line that ideally will be able to generate scoring chances. He's not playing with all star snipers here, just a couple of guys that go hard to the net and jam away. In a 3rd line, they've been great. You could scratch Moore and shift Poo down to the 4th line but what's to say he doesn't revert back to early season form?
Poo would be the obvious choice if this was 10 games ago. Now he's the only guy who can bury a tap in in front of the net. He's playing with intensity, physicality, using his body, going hard to the net, he's limited his mistakes, he's had good chemistry with Hags and Miller. Do you disrupt that line?
By no stretch of the means are Hagelin and Poo offensive dynamos. Hags has been scoring goals on breakaways. Poo on the PP. But that line has been a good effective checking line. That's what you want out of a 3rd line.
But are they even in consideration for that role?
Lindberg seems like the farthest from getting a shot. We have more than enough centers. Richards and Moore are both playing wing. We have 6 on the roster right now.
I don't know if I agree that Fast shouldn't get a shake if the opportunity presents itself. What did we expect pairing him with Boyle and Pyatt to begin the season?
Kristo not yet... but come March, what's to say the next step for his development isn't in the NHL either (if he improves with his decision making).
edit: However, the point i'm trying to make is that I don't think any of them would be considered for a 4th line role. Lindberg is centering Fast and Kristo at Hartford I believe. That's their first line. All need minutes. I think AV understands that.
Raspewtin
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I wish Haley wasn't hurt earlier in the season. He would have definitely been more effective than Asham when he was called up.
Thirty One
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What kind of checking line never starts any shifts in the defensive zone? A Checking line should start most of its shifts in the defensive zone so that the lines that score get the offensive zone starts.
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Be careful what you wish for. Trading Girardi and Callahan may very well write off this season and no playoffs.
Then fans will scream for better olayers to become a playoff team again, and Dolan and Sather go after UFAs.
1993, 1998, 2004, 2010. Those years were written off and yielded nothing in terms of draft picks or prospects. The 2004 fire sale was a horror show in retrospect.
If they trade these guys, do 1-for-1 swaps of established NHL players. Chances are none of the picks or prospects will develop into a top-6 forward or top-4 dman for the NY Rangers.
Sell, but cautiously.
Then fans will scream for better olayers to become a playoff team again, and Dolan and Sather go after UFAs.
1993, 1998, 2004, 2010. Those years were written off and yielded nothing in terms of draft picks or prospects. The 2004 fire sale was a horror show in retrospect.
If they trade these guys, do 1-for-1 swaps of established NHL players. Chances are none of the picks or prospects will develop into a top-6 forward or top-4 dman for the NY Rangers.
Sell, but cautiously.
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That line is by far our most effective forechecking line (aside from whatever line zucc is on, just because of him alone). They are really great at keeping the puck in the offensive zone. Tires out their defense, brassard sets up some chances. Hags gets some breakaways. Its better than whatever Boyle, Asham, D. Moore line you're trying to insinuate would be a better "purely defensive" checking line. So that's that.
Thirty One
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Probably because their 3rd line is getting almost exclusively offensive zone starts.
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I did not know Haley was hurt,
Still at 23 years old in his last year of his entry level contract, scoring near a pt per game in the AHL, I'd rather see Kristo than Konopka even if it means the Rangers defense and face off game struggle. Why can't Kristo come up and maybe struggle, why can't Miller stay up and do the same. Why is it always about this year?
All the same I do like the idea better if it means they can trade Boyle for futures, then turn around and take whatever they can get, if anything, for Konopka later.
I'm just saying that for whatever reason AV is rolling lines in positions that aren't conventional.
Regardless, our 3rd line has still has been our most effective forechecking line.
Ghost of jas
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The fire sale of 2004 was a **** show, but, it did yield Dubinsky, Staal, (the extra 2nd that was used to moved to select him was acquired in the Malakhov deal), Sauer and Korpikoski in terms of draft picks, and Betts and Sykora, ( acquired for Kondratiev), in terms of players. And, the book is still out on McIlrath, Kristo and Fast.
Thirty One
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Well Brassard isn't on that line so...
Are they great at keeping the puck in the offensive zone? In the six games since Miller's most recent recall, 53.1% of all shot attempts while Miller's been on the ice have been directed towards the opposition's net. That's good, but considering he's started more than 90% of his shifts in the offensive/neutral zone, it's not great.
I'm certainly not railing for a Boyle-Moore-Asham line to get their minutes, so let's cut that thought off.
http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/chat/_/id/49761/nhl-with-katie-strang
The smart move is trading them. The Rangers don't usually make the smart move.
Trading valuable assets, especially players that play prime minutes, without replacing them is the dumbest move a team can make.
Unless they plan on losing for a few years of course. All a matter of perspective.
Considering their contract situation, no, it isn't.
Letting this hang in the air, then being forced to overpay them or have them walk for nothing is the dumbest move.
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You know what's another dumb move? Giving big money, long term contracts to declining players. You know what's also dumb? Letting valuable players walk for nothing.
If we aren't prepared to pay Callahan and Girardi what they want, then we better be prepared to trade them, regardless of the short term impact to the team.
Thirty One
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Why do you think Minnesota has only used Konopka for 239 faceoffs this season?
HINT: after the faceoff, hockey breaks out.
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