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Raspewtin
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10-15? Not all of them had Gryba, he's very in and out of the lineup.
It's not good when your team is a joke defensively and you can't stay in the lineup.
Fair point on Michalek but I really don't think he's the solution.
LiveLongandProspal
NY Rangers = America's Team
I don't know how reliable he is, but there's a guy on the Senators message board (his username is Benjiv1) on here that said:
My source told me that Michalek and Gryba are the pieces heading to NYR for Del Zotto and a cap dump if something does go down.
FWIW
He mentioned Dorsett.
I don't really know anything about him though.
I (Sick Rash) would hate that deal. We can get much more for Del Zotto besides a bottom 6 D and an UFA to be
My source told me that Michalek and Gryba are the pieces heading to NYR for Del Zotto and a cap dump if something does go down.
FWIW
He mentioned Dorsett.
I don't really know anything about him though.
I (Sick Rash) would hate that deal. We can get much more for Del Zotto besides a bottom 6 D and an UFA to be
17futurecap
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Yuck, just hold MDZ if this is deal. With the way Pouliot has been playing the only throw in right now should be Pyatt. Dorsett has a nice edge to his game, has cut back on the penalties, and really the only guy that can drop the gloves.
I just don't get bringing in Michalek, so they buy out Richards this summer, and use some of the money saved to extend Michalek.
BBKers
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Yuck, just hold MDZ if this is deal. With the way Pouliot has been playing the only throw in right now should be Pyatt. Dorsett has a nice edge to his game, has cut back on the penalties, and really the only guy that can drop the gloves.
I just don't get bringing in Michalek, so they buy out Richards this summer, and use some of the money saved to extend Michalek.
Michalek, Gryba, Stone and a 2nd for MDZ, Pyatt and rights to Nieves (or preferably a lesser piece). Looks about right
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A rental in Michalek is not bad but they need gryba and a 2nd and a later pick. Throw Pyatt back for salary w dz.
At this pt michalek is no better than hemky meaning no real value
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Dorsett isn't a cap dump. There's no way Sather would trade MDZ and Dorsett for that crap.
I Eat Crow
Fear The Mullet
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Keep Del Zotto if it means Gryba and a UFA to be is the best you can do. He's played well since Staal went down. I see Del Zotto as a better piece moving forward than Staal for this team. Staal would net a decent return to help the retooling process.
I was interested in Michalek in the beginning of the season before the emergence of Kreider. The need isn't as dire anymore. I'm more worried about the team's center depth moving forward than LW.
I was interested in Michalek in the beginning of the season before the emergence of Kreider. The need isn't as dire anymore. I'm more worried about the team's center depth moving forward than LW.
The Rangers should sell high on Zuccarello. He will be in line for a big contract this summer(arbitration eligible) and is eligible for group III in 2015. Newport Sports client. His size is an issue. If the Rangers don't feel comfortable giving him a big contract,they should look into moving him. Can they get a top nine forward with size in exchange? Bigger is better. Look at the top teams in the NHL. Big teams. Strong teams. They beat on their opponents in the playoffs. Its about winning the Cup. Not finishing 8th in the conference.
Can't agree with RangerBoy in regards to Zuccarello. He is definitely undersized but he plays just like the other 6'5 guy in the contending team. The guy really wants to be here, very motivated and cares about winning. He is the hard, if not the hardest working player on this team. Sather has to make sure to resign him.
haohmaru
boomshakalaka
Couldn't disagree more. He's been the best forward on the team and you'll likely get back another 6'4" clunker that couldn't score with a $100 bill on 42nd street.
The last thing the NYR is to trade away another heart and soul guy that actually puts up points. No thanks. Wait until the trade deadline and see where we are.
Not sure what you mean by "big"? St. Louis is one of the shortest, but the heaviest, teams in the NHL. We talking height or weight? Either way Talent>Size
HatTrick Swayze
Just Be Nice
I wouldn't give him away but I would not hate the idea of selling high either. This Rangers group will get systematically ripped apart in the postseason. If they make it there. Look at top contenders like Boston, St Louis, Ducks, Kings. Colorado's got some bite. Dallas, great up and coming team full of "power forwards".
MZA could be a good piece on an elite team. He comes to play. My stance is less about wanting to get rid of him. I wouldn't give him away. But unless they find their Datsyuk, Kane, Crosby, etc a generational player who can elevate his teammates - they would be well served to model themselves after the teams I named. IMO.
Skill + skating + grit is sooo much more effective with a lanky reach (read: size).
Beer League Sniper
Homeless Man's Rick Nash
Agree with you on most topics, RB, but I think you're way off base on Zucc. He signged for $700k to play ONLY for NYR. If anyone is going to take a hometown discount, it's going to be him. His cap hit is going to rise, but I honestly still expect it to be a bargain contract.
haohmaru
boomshakalaka
Let's just put the size & weight myth thing to bed once and for all.
Let's take a look at the top 10 "big" NHL teams (opening roster 2013):
Height Rank:
1 Tampa Bay
2 Winnipeg, Toronto
4 Phoenix
5 Los Angeles
6 Ottawa, Florida, Buffalo, Boston
10 Vancouver, Washington, Philadelphia
Chicago? 13. St. Louis? 28 Anaheim? 20 Detroit? 26 Pittsburgh? 22 San Jose? 16
Weight Rank:
1 Los Angeles
2 St. Louis
3 Washington
4 Tampa Bay
5 Winnipeg
6 Phoenix
7 Columbus
8 San Jose
9 Ottawa
10 Toronto
Again: Chicago? 16 Pittsburgh? 19 Anaheim? 13 Boston? 17 Detroit? 20
We don't need more "size". We need more skill.
Incidentally, the NYR are 13 in height and 21 in weight = 37 total.
Pittsburgh = 41, Detroit = 46, Anaheim = 33, Chicago = 29, St. Louis = 30.
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Zucc wins more board battles than Boyle. He plays well enough defensively that AV trusts him on the PK. Sure, we'd all love it if he were 6'3" 220 lbs, but good luck finding a player that size with his skill and vision.
There is room on this team for a player of his size. We need to stop obsessing about players' deficiencies and focus on their strengths. We need to stop expecting every player to be perfect.
HatTrick Swayze
Just Be Nice
That's great and all, but it in no way addresses my point or puts any "myth to bed". First of all, nowhere did I say to acquire height and weight for the same of acquiring height and weight. Your analysis essentially assumes that Andrej Sustr has more of an impact than Dustin Brown.
It's not about pure height or weight. It is about having a team that can dictate terms to the opposition. That can win loose pucks. That can hold pucks by using their reach. That can win the playoff battle of attrition by actually hitting someone. That can take a hit to make a play. That will score a dirty goal. That is what this roster is sorely lacking. Again I really like MZA. But when he is the most consistent player for doing those things your roster is ****ed and especially ****ed in the playoffs.
Bag humbug.
Beer League Sniper
Homeless Man's Rick Nash
Great post. Zuccarello is not the same player that he was in his first stint here. I don't know what the hell he did in the KHL, but he came back to us a completely different player. Wins more board battles than at least 75% of the other forwards, goes to the dirty areas, backchecks like a demon, and even PKs.
Zucc is the last player I would worry about being difficult to sign. I don't care who his agent is. He took less money to come play for us, why would his contract demands this time around all of the sudden be unreasonable?
As long as you have decent size in other areas of the lineup, there's no reason why Zucc can't be a key cog on this team. Get rid of the dead weight that brings nothing to the table (Pyatt, Pouliot) and sign/acquire a 3rd liner who is going to skate hard and lay the body on a consistent basis.
pld459666
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I don't think it's so much the height/weight aspect.
I think it's a matter of being more willing to engage, more specifically, initiate the physical battles.
get teams on their heels physically early and it pays dividends later.
just like in boxing, kill the body early, the head will die later.
size in and of itself becomse a very overrated item to possess if you do not have the speed and skill to take advantage of it, see Boyle, Brian for example A.
If you have a passive mindset, your size will be completely negated. Nash is a good example of that.
What I have been noticing more and more is that Kreider has been the catalyst for a lot of post whistle scrums which comes from him starting to push the envelope and opposing teams taking exception to it.
He's putting up points, he's using his speed and he'd getting involved in all sorts of aspects of the game. I would love to see Pouliot do that as well, but he's another cream puff.
Cream puffs on the Rangers:
Stepan
Richards
Nash
Pouliot
Pyatt
Hagelin
Brassard
that's to many guys not willing to initiate the physical aspect of the game. They seem to prefer to dig for pucks with their sticks than use their physicality to seperate man from puck.
We need more guys willing to initiate contact and less guys that wait to absorb that contact.
I think it's a matter of being more willing to engage, more specifically, initiate the physical battles.
get teams on their heels physically early and it pays dividends later.
just like in boxing, kill the body early, the head will die later.
size in and of itself becomse a very overrated item to possess if you do not have the speed and skill to take advantage of it, see Boyle, Brian for example A.
If you have a passive mindset, your size will be completely negated. Nash is a good example of that.
What I have been noticing more and more is that Kreider has been the catalyst for a lot of post whistle scrums which comes from him starting to push the envelope and opposing teams taking exception to it.
He's putting up points, he's using his speed and he'd getting involved in all sorts of aspects of the game. I would love to see Pouliot do that as well, but he's another cream puff.
Cream puffs on the Rangers:
Stepan
Richards
Nash
Pouliot
Pyatt
Hagelin
Brassard
that's to many guys not willing to initiate the physical aspect of the game. They seem to prefer to dig for pucks with their sticks than use their physicality to seperate man from puck.
We need more guys willing to initiate contact and less guys that wait to absorb that contact.
Zuccarello had no leverage. He will have leverage this time. Everyone wants to get paid including Zuccarello.
eco's bones
Registered User
One reason why Boyle becomes a better player in the playoffs is because of his size and reach--because territory battles become everything. By the way the way Nash seems to be avoiding contact don't expect his size to matter much. Don't know if I would trade Zucc though. Have to get something almost special back for him. He's really become the Rangers most consistently good forward this year--very arguably their best forward.
If the Rangers somehow manage to make the playoffs with the current lineup though they'll be very lucky to not get knocked out early--perhaps swept in the first round. They don't have the size or the grit to hang in with the better teams when push comes to shove.
If the Rangers somehow manage to make the playoffs with the current lineup though they'll be very lucky to not get knocked out early--perhaps swept in the first round. They don't have the size or the grit to hang in with the better teams when push comes to shove.
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Again I really like MZA. But when he is the most consistent player for doing those things your roster is ****ed as especially ****ed in the playoffs.
Bag humbug.
Wouldn't that suggest we keep him and replace other players like Boyle, Pyatt and Pouliot? Boyle is a good PK guy, and a good faceoff guy, but is otherwise not very useful. He's not particularly strong along the boards, despite his size, and he doesn't seem to know where the front of the net is. Pyatt is strong along the boards, but that's it. He's never a threat to score. Pouliot has been better of late, and has a lot of skill, but his production could be replaced by a more physical player.
Obviously, finding players with skill, size and the ability to use that size is hard. Oh, and they need to be able to skate too. I'd like to see us target more high energy players with size in the draft. The kind of guys who will drive to the net and park there, and will score 15-20 goals and 30-40 points a year. We haven't been able to find those 1st line players. Our guys seem to top out at 2nd or 3rd line, and very few bring size and a physical edge. We can at least try to build a bottom 6 that can play physical, defend and chip in offensively on occasion.
maybe this is why Beach and Aliu (might be signed) are in the future plans, but seriously this is a problem that Sather made for himself and it is a shame that the old man did not realize this at all.. when a guy like Rinaldo runs Nash, maybe it will make the old man think.
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