Speculation: Trade Rumors/Speculation Part IX: Dubinsky, Rozsival and a 2nd

[broadwayblue]

If you could trade Callahan + DZ + 1st for Spezza, would you guys do it?

I know he's 30 and seen his better days but he'd be a solid first line center for the short-term

I don't want to trade for guys over 30. That's great when you're a player or two away and want to add some extra depth and veteran leadership. But this team is not a player or two away. We have assets to deal, let's maximize them for the long term.

 

[Manhattan]

No more rentals or big free agent signings.
The players that bare the team are the true grinders who took the long way to NHL.
Girardi should stay as leader of defence.
Cally should stay as well.
Richards could go to Tampa or Dallas for a Starbucks latte.
Nash + MDZ + for Turris and Karlsson would be neat, maybe also Zimbanejad for a 1st.
Still kinda feels no one would give much for a Ranger atm.

 

[Punxrocknyc19*]

If you could trade Callahan + DZ + 1st for Spezza, would you guys do it?

I know he's 30 and seen his better days but he'd be a solid first line center for the short-term

lets trade another 1st round pick especially where it could be a top 10 pick or maybe even top 5 pick this year.. dont hockey fans know that you build through the draft... why do Rangers fans want to keep trading draft picks for players that are 30+

 

[Cant Fix Stupid]

I don't want to trade for guys over 30. That's great when you're a player or two away and want to add some extra depth and veteran leadership. But this team is not a player or two away. We have assets to deal, let's maximize them for the long term.

No way

 

[Manhattan]

I would say Nash's contract is the worse of man kind.
Del Zotto is a RFA and will bring in value what so ever.
And when did Rangers draft a good 1st rounder the last time?
The elite players of the franchise are high rounders or undrafted, would another pick be that bad for a guy like Karlsson?
Nash is overpaid and MDZ is on the run and then there is Brassard who is a rental.
Can you please tell how it even could be Close to a bad deal with getting Three Young players for those Three I namned?

 

[Ola]

Not so sure players over 30 is the way to go right now. They are born and raised in the trap era, often it shows.

Look around the league. You need to play the game with speed and make plays with the puck. There are room for a lot of offensive hockey out there. Zucc ain't even that talented, he makes alot of plays.

I don't believe in any easy fix, and you see a lot of proposals for them. The tank crew on one hand or the get big name X crew OTOH.

We got a process infront of us. That is the new NHL, it's not a cyclicle one. Look a how Pittsburg are playing when their stars are out. They play an offensive game thanks to Sid and Evg, but when they are out the plays are still there.

The quotes from Dreger were brainless as always. We don't know where we are going? There are only one way to go in this league and that's the right way. You can cheat.

AV took over a team that is not suited or coached for playing modern hockey. The market for putting a team in the right direction is the worst ever, nobody has any room. All teams more or less has concussion problems, KHL problems or whatever. Fear cripples a market.

I am sure our brass has a decent plan in place, not saying they are the guys to execute it but it's obvious what direction we are going. A few things would help us a lot. A real PMD to start with. We haven't had an avg PMD since Leetch. We have looked for a PF for a long time. You have an issue with Richards.

But you know, there are no trades made. We aren't the only one that need a change or two, it's telling that the move made (Downie for Talbot) was done because of some sketchy locker room stuff in Col. What does people expect? Slats to pull the 2-3 moves that needs to be made out of his back pocket?

Torts created a mess here in NY. He made the choices he made. Slats oversaw it. When it became obvious that we were going in the comet sly opposite direction to all the successful teams -- the damage had been done. Now we have to bite that bullet. It's going to take a while. There just are no quick fix.

 

[Leetch66]

Keep Del Zotto instead of trading him for a rental. WTF.



http://snyrangersblog.com/2013-14/2...of-the-rangers-and-what-they-are-looking-for/

Clueless. They have a 70 year old general manager and president. What you expect?

I am thankful that I saw the Rangers win the Cup on that Tuesday night in June in person because this organization is NEVER winning the Stanley Cup EVER AGAIN. We had tickets in the Messier years. Those were the best years. Messier. Leetch. Graves. #1 center. #1 D. Power forward. These idiots will NEVER EVER come close again. These ******** have zero idea what they are doing. I know its Christmas but Sather is piece of ****. So is Dolan. All of them.

I think I had a rant like this last season ....sometimes you just have to let it out . We are looking more like the Leafs from the 70's and 80's....absolutely the worse managed Pro team in all of Sports. Sather/Dolan are a combined rebirth of Harold Ballard .

 

[NikC]

Gryba can hit pretty well and is big. Also 5TH.

Michelek can score.

Not a bad return for MDZz

 

[Raspewtin]

I would say Nash's contract is the worse of man kind.
Del Zotto is a RFA and will bring in value what so ever.
And when did Rangers draft a good 1st rounder the last time?
The elite players of the franchise are high rounders or undrafted, would another pick be that bad for a guy like Karlsson?
Nash is overpaid and MDZ is on the run and then there is Brassard who is a rental.
Can you please tell how it even could be Close to a bad deal with getting Three Young players for those Three I namned?

I Think your post was the very worse of this thread. Like Really Bad.

There's not one player on this team that would net us Erik Karlsson, your proposal gets you a laugh in the face from Bryan Murray.

Del Zotto, Kreider, Staal, Skjei and Miller look to be great picks. Yeah, all terrible. Wish you were the head of scouting.

Nash is overpaid but what were the Rangers supposed to do about that?

I'd be totally fine with getting those great young players, but again, absolutely no way we can net even one of them.

I think you meant to say "Del Zotto is an RFA and will bring in no value", RFA's have plenty of value..........they're restricted.

 

[Raspewtin]

Gryba can hit pretty well and is big. Also 5TH.

Michelek can score.

Not a bad return for MDZz

Michalek is always injured and is on the huge decline, and a UFA.

Gryba is a hard hitter but has low hockey ability, slightly better than Bickel.

It is a bad return.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

If you could trade Callahan + DZ + 1st for Spezza, would you guys do it?

I know he's 30 and seen his better days but he'd be a solid first line center for the short-term

I wouldn't trade our 1st rounder for Spezza straight up. **** no.

 

[RangerBoy]

Hockey insider Bob McKenzie joined TSN Radio 1050 Monday afternoon and was asked about the struggles of the New York Rangers.

As well as mentioning he has been surprised by goaltender Henrik Lundqvist's performance, McKenzie noted the Rangers will look to free up cap space by buying out center Brad Richards.

"They gotta buy him out, unless he comes back and plays like a legit number one center. Flashes of being pretty good and what have you won't be good enough. They'll have no choice but to take the compliance buyout."

http://beta.thescore.com/nhl/news/390494

 

[Vitto79]

http://beta.thescore.com/nhl/news/390494

Yea brich is a goner but that's ok gas to be done

Sounds like they are finally gonna move boyle, he's an asset so if they can get a younger piece for this yr and the future why not, someone gritty and poker ideally . Let miller take 3rd line C

 

[Rangers ftw]

No more rentals or big free agent signings.
The players that bare the team are the true grinders who took the long way to NHL.
Girardi should stay as leader of defence.
Cally should stay as well.
Richards could go to Tampa or Dallas for a Starbucks latte.
Nash + MDZ + for Turris and Karlsson would be neat, maybe also Zimbanejad for a 1st.
Still kinda feels no one would give much for a Ranger atm.

Nash+MDZ for Turris&Karlsson? You must be kidding. MCD&Kreider&1st would be a good start maybe. This is not NHL14

 

[Thirty One]

https://twitter.com/ShawnMcKenzieSN/status/415281549148295168

Zibanejad scratched due to the flu.

Trade flu?

 

[ecemleafs]

Nash+MDZ for Turris&Karlsson? You must be kidding. MCD&Kreider&1st would be a good start maybe. This is not NHL14

in my NHL 12 i had OEL, Karlsson, Carlson, Sauer, and some sick drafted players all in their primes.

 

[Lion Hound]

Anyone have a report on the scouts attending tonight?

 

[17futurecap]

Anyone have a report on the scouts attending tonight?

 

[Lion Hound]

Nicely done!

 

[bernmeister]

This team lacks speed from it's centers. That's what really hurts them. The center carries the puck up ice, and the winger can't rush into the zone for fear of being offsides. It really slows the play down. Our wingers are actually pretty damn fast. On top of being an idiot, Pouliot is so frequently offsides because he's very fast, and the centers he plays with can't keep up.

Dominic Moore is the only center who's a great skater on this team. Not good.

Insightful. No, more; astute!

Actually, JT Miller is the best skating pivot we had, though, granted, we are still waiting for AV to listen to me and RangerBoy and use Miller exclusively at C.

I'm still saying what's smart is put him with with Kreider and make a go-go line.
Possibly that's your 2line, still getting lots of minutes.

You guys won't listen to me, but I keep telling ya, if we get the right overpayment for Stepan,

if we get a top 1LW to pair w/Nash and put D Moore on that top line, that would be the ticket.

Not that we can't possibly do better.

But we can do a whole lot worse.

 

[bernmeister]

Then we don't trade him. It's that simple. He's a 23 year old dman who is capable of playing in the top 4 and putting up 40 points. Regardless of his struggles this year, he still has significant value.

Agree w/this and if it comes to that, let me add we make MDZ LD exclusively, none of this experimenting on the RD crap for him, and give him 2nd pair mins with a little breather for McD on top pair, and allowing Staal to recover fully by him having less minutes on 3rd pair.

I'm willing to do Sens a favor, but they gotta pay for MDZ.

We can add, something real, but we need it to be worth our while, bottom line.

 

[doncherrysgrill]

Insightful. No, more; astute!

Actually, JT Miller is the best skating pivot we had, though, granted, we are still waiting for AV to listen to me and RangerBoy and use Miller exclusively at C.

I'm still saying what's smart is put him with with Kreider and make a go-go line.
Possibly that's your 2line, still getting lots of minutes.

You guys won't listen to me, but I keep telling ya, if we get the right overpayment for Stepan,

if we get a top 1LW to pair w/Nash and put D Moore on that top line, that would be the ticket.

Not that we can't possibly do better.

But we can do a whole lot worse.

Stepan is not the guy we should be talking about overpayment for. The most important position in this league is center. Where are the Rangers weakest? Center. The entire focus of this team should be bringing in another top 6 winger for when Richards is gone. I'd take overpayment on guys like Hagelin, Zuc, Nash, our defensemen, etc. but not our only legitimate top 6 center going forward.

 

[bernmeister]

The way I see it, if we can accept this as an opportunity for a rebuild and get assets back for players BEFORE a serious downward slope (i.e. Del Zotto, Girardi, Boyle, Callahan, Staal, Brassard, Richards if possible), while building around the players we see as our core (Nash, McDonagh, McIlrath, J Moore, Kreider, Stepan, Hagelin, Zuccarello, JT Miller, Lundqvist), this can be the type of personality change this organization really needed.

As much as I've appreciated how much this team has accomplished over the past few years, it's quite apparent that we truly need an influx of depth in talent within the forward and defensive ranks in order to keep up with the Blackhawks, Pens, Kings, Bruins etc... A 'One Year Rebuild' might be possible considering we have a franchise goaltender, legitimate No. 1 defenseman, a premiere offensive player like Nash and budding offensive producers like Step and Kreider.

Any thoughts?

For a while now I have said we need to think outside the box, not always expect equal value on every trade, just make the deals we want to get the players we need. We don't even need a whole year.

A controlled demolition instead of a full scale blow up will suffice.

AGAIN

Trade Stepan. If Brassard steps up like he did last year and takes a small contract now, fine, otherwise, trade his sorry ass too.

The internal keys to our C problem are:

Miller = 2c w/Kreider = super speed
Lindberg = 3c w/Hags + Fast = super Swede line
We have options for 4c = Haley, Yogan, etc
If no one else emerges, I would be happy to give Dom Moore a full shot at 1c.

He actually skates better than anyone pivoting for us now besides Miller; works hard, does grunt work, above average defensively and at faceoffs. Downside? not as creative. Ok fair enough, but if we have one more good enough guy to pair with Nash, as a real threat on the same line, a combo of that guy + Moore + Nash could work.

We need to make obvious moves, and trade everybody we're not re-signing for assets, best possible price, to deal with cap.

But the not so obvious move is to deal Stepan. If we have to bundle him with another good piece to get a great piece, we do it.

That is how we can break this rut.

But once and for all, you guys gotta not be blind to Stepan and admit I could be right about this.

 

[bernmeister]

Stepan is not the guy we should be talking about overpayment for. The most important position in this league is center. Where are the Rangers weakest? Center. The entire focus of this team should be bringing in another top 6 winger for when Richards is gone. I'd take overpayment on guys like Hagelin, Zuc, Nash, our defensemen, etc. but not our only legitimate top 6 center going forward.

Maybe in a vacuum you view Stepan that way.
But I'm looking at best scenario to add most total/best quality assets.

Gotta trade a guy like Stepan to help make that happen.

And D. Moore is more physically gifted. With some coaching, and the right linemates, he can handle, IMO, more than just 4th shutdown/checking line duties.

He is better than that.
Boyle doesn't have the vision.

Moore has it, but has always been that 3rd 4th line guy.

But he has the tools!
Think outside of the box!

And for the umpteenth time, I am not advocating dumping Stepan.
I want serious return for him.

But if that return emerges, we can't afford your above mindset.

And I say that politely, respectfully, not in a denigrating way.
Stepan may be a luxury we cannot afford.

Do not confuse him with a legit building block, a foundation level asset, like Kreider, or McD.

 

[NikC]

Michalek is always injured and is on the huge decline, and a UFA.

Gryba is a hard hitter but has low hockey ability, slightly better than Bickel.

It is a bad return.

Michalek isn't having a great season thats for sure. huge decline? idk.
he does get injured alot, but the guy can score when he's healthy.
NYR could use a LW with size. if they can get him on a good deal

I haven't seen enough of Gryba. How many senators games have you watched this season?