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Speculation: Trade Rumors/Speculation Part IX: Dubinsky, Rozsival and a 2nd

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Raspewtin said:
This team lacks speed from it's centers. That's what really hurts them. The center carries the puck up ice, and the winger can't rush into the zone for fear of being offsides. It really slows the play down. Our wingers are actually pretty damn fast. On top of being an idiot, Pouliot is so frequently offsides because he's very fast, and the centers he plays with can't keep up.

Dominic Moore is the only center who's a great skater on this team. Not good.
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I agree that this team could use a fast top 6 center, but those players aren't really available - and certainly not for MDZ.

I disagree that our wingers are pretty damn fast. I watch the game and I do see a general lack of team speed. A team like Washington will come in and blow our doors off. As for Pouliot, he's likely gone after this year. Sure he's got some speed, but this trade is as much looking forward as it is for today. Also Johansson stretches the ice - Pouliot does not. Plus Johansson would likely be playing top 6 - some place Pouliot will not.
 
LeetchisGod said:
Has he ever been a Norris finalist in his career? When experts talk about the best defensemen in the league I rarely hear his name mentioned. He simply isn't on the weber, suter, chara, doughty, Keith, subban, karlsson level but he will be paid like he is.
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That's how free-agency works. Even average to slightly above-average players make elite money when they hit the market. Especially when the player is in high demand positionally. Phaneuf is not elite, but he is a 1st pair defensemen who is physical and contributes at least a little offensively.
 
LeetchisGod said:
Has he ever been a Norris finalist in his career? When experts talk about the best defensemen in the league I rarely hear his name mentioned. He simply isn't on the weber, suter, chara, doughty, Keith, subban, karlsson level but he will be paid like he is.
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No, he'll get paid a lot because of contract inflation and free agency. The value of contracts keep going up. If any of those players you listed went to free agency this offseason, they'd each get over 8.5 million easily. Phaneuf isn't getting that money, I'll be shocked if he gets over 7.5 mill.

His name isn't mentioned in the same way Kronwall's name isn't. There's just a big handful of players better than him.

Ryan McDonagh is almost never mentioned as a top defenseman, yet I'd say he's top 10. Does their opinion make him not?
 
Raspewtin said:
They would have signed him by now if they really wanted to keep him, me thinks.

Would be REALLY stupid of them to let him go, however.
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I still think he'll resign with TML…

If he signs a 7 year deal as a UFA it takes him to 35 years old. If he gets that 8th year from Toronto, then that'll cover him until 36 at around 8 million. At that point, he probably wouldn't be getting near that if he goes UFA at 35.

8 years at 8 million to stay where he is: 64 million.

7 years at 8 million as a UFA: 56 million

At 35/36 he'll probably be hard pressed to break 60, especially considering his physical brand of hockey.

Of course, TML may refuse that 8th year, or he may think he can hit close to 9 million as a UFA, but I just can't see the Leafs letting their #1 defenseman walk for nothing - especially in that tough market. They'll be crucified.
 
Barnaby said:
I still think he'll resign with TML…

If he signs a 7 year deal as a UFA it takes him to 35 years old. If he gets that 8th year from Toronto, then that'll cover him until 36 at around 8 million. At that point, he probably wouldn't be getting near that if he goes UFA at 35.

8 years at 8 million to stay where he is: 64 million.

7 years at 8 million as a UFA: 56 million

At 35/36 he'll probably be hard pressed to break 60, especially considering his physical brand of hockey.

Of course, TML may refuse that 8th year, or he may think he can hit close to 9 million as a UFA, but I just can't see the Leafs letting their #1 defenseman walk for nothing - especially in that tough market. They'll be crucified.
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Yeah, I agree with this. Phaneuf leaving would absolutely kill Toronto, he's easily their MVP, it's not even close.

It's a huge red flag to me that he hasn't been signed yet, but Kessel has been.
 
Raspewtin said:
No, he'll get paid a lot because of contract inflation and free agency. The value of contracts keep going up. If any of those players you listed went to free agency this offseason, they'd each get over 8.5 million easily. Phaneuf isn't getting that money, I'll be shocked if he gets over 7.5 mill.

His name isn't mentioned in the same way Kronwall's name isn't. There's just a big handful of players better than him.

Ryan McDonagh is almost never mentioned as a top defenseman, yet I'd say he's top 10. Does their opinion make him not?
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Phaneuf IS getting that type of money. First pairing defenseman do not hit UFA in their 20's. It does not happen. He will be vastly overpaid by a team starving for a guy like that. He's def not Chara/Weber/Karlsson - he's also not even Doughty, Petro, Subban etc… but those players are untouchable. As a UFA, he will get that money. Supply and demand. Top pairing defenseman and top line centers will pretty much get a blank check.

Look at it this way. If Girardi doesn't resign beforehand, then he's looking at 5.5 to 6.5 million UFA. Just look at past contracts the last few years. Phaneuf is easily a better player.
 
Over the next few season people are gunna freak out over the contracts that'll be handed out guys like Callahan 6 mil and phanuef 7-8 mil. Cap will go up and up causing players to make more. Nothing wrong with that people just won't be used to seeing 3rd liners making 5 mil a year
 
Barnaby said:
Phaneuf IS getting that type of money. First pairing defenseman do not hit UFA in their 20's. It does not happen. He will be vastly overpaid by a team starving for a guy like that. He's def not Chara/Weber/Karlsson - he's also not even Doughty, Petro, Subban etc… but those players are untouchable. As a UFA, he will get that money. Supply and demand. Top pairing defenseman and top line centers will pretty much get a blank check.

Look at it this way. If Girardi doesn't resign beforehand, then he's looking at 5.5 to 6.5 million UFA. Just look at past contracts the last few years. Phaneuf is easily a better player.
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When you put it like that, give me Phaneuf at 7.5 over Girardi at 6
 
theFiGS said:
Over the next few season people are gunna freak out over the contracts that'll be handed out guys like Callahan 6 mil and phanuef 7-8 mil. Cap will go up and up causing players to make more. Nothing wrong with that people just won't be used to seeing 3rd liners making 5 mil a year
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Yeah, not to mention that the cap hit of players has artificially been a lot lower than what they actually has made due to the back loaded deals signed.

There is a bunch of players out there who has been paid 12m per with a cap hit north of 7m. Not one agent will tell his player to look at the cap hit and take 6.8m per when the guy he brokered a deal for the summer before got 12m per...
 
i would trade both mdz and staal if we could sign Phaneof and hang on to G.. dude is a beast out there.. physical play is an amazing asset.. dude instills fear in players..

there are no easy fixes but the answer isnt trading for picks and prospects.. we're not a rebuilding team.. AV needs to get this players going.. stop the excuses
 
dethomas07 said:
i would trade both mdz and staal if we could sign Phaneof and hang on to G.. dude is a beast out there.. physical play is an amazing asset.. dude instills fear in players..

there are no easy fixes but the answer isnt trading for picks and prospects.. we're not a rebuilding team.. AV needs to get this players going.. stop the excuses
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Realistically they are not a rebuilding team, but they need to "rebuild" the only way the Rangers are capable of by retooling on the fly. Right now management is presented with a unique opportunity to sell off valuable players who do not fit with the team going forward, should the speed and offense game be the plan. (Although none of us are sure it is at this point because Sather can't decide what the **** he wants this team to be.)

If they do want to transition this team they can move valuable assets for picks, prospects AND roster players who are young and contribute now. It has to be both. If I were management the goal for me with this teams assets would be:

1. Obtain a top5 pick. The easiest way to do this would be to trade roster players, fill the spots with prospects, and KEEP LOSING. The last part being the most important. Bottom feeder teams are probably not going to give up their top5 pick for any assets the Rangers have available. Possible, but not likely.

2. Find a young impact player from a contender who needs one of the Rangers assets for a cup run. Callahan and Girardi fit the bill here, it's just a matter of finding a fit. Teams will know by the trade deadline what their weaknesses are, and players will get hurt before then. I think they can make this happen.

3. Get any other prospects or picks they can for the remaining assets.

This is my ideal course of action going forward, but probably not very realistic.
 
Trxjw said:
Still don't understand why people think throwing our prospects into a losing environment is the best course of action.
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Not the best, but assures they lose enough to secure a top pick.

That is part of a proper rebuild or a retool, you have to get worse before you get better. What kind of environment are Miller, Zucc, Kreider and Moore in now?

How about the guys in Hartford, one of the worst teams in the AHL?
 
Raspewtin said:
In case anyone hasn't noticed, I'm a huge Phaneuf fanboy.
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i would love Phaneuf on the rangers. you're not alone.

his contract is a little scary though Flyers will him that money you can rest assured. they will do anything and every to get him if he hits free agency..

for that reason alone he's worth pursuing. that and we have to contend with the Bruins.
 
Ailurophile said:
Not the best, but assures they lose enough to secure a top pick.

That is part of a proper rebuild or a retool, you have to get worse before you get better. What kind of environment are Miller, Zucc, Kreider and Moore in now?

How about the guys in Hartford, one of the worst teams in the AHL?
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You send the kids back to Hartford, sell off some of the pieces on this roster for other kids who can assist in Hartford, and fill out this roster with scrubs. You can have a lousy team without forcing your prospects into a ****** situation.
 
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