Rumor: Trade Rumors & Proposals Thread | No More Pacifism For the Oilers?

[Jimmi McJenkins]

It's not that, I promise you it's not that. The Oilers went from a team that gives up the least number of shots in the league, to giving up over 30 7 games in a row, the first not giving up 30 being last night when they were blown out of the building. The goaltending can be bad, and the team can be playing well below their standards. Both things can be true.

So both things are true, but it starts with the goalies NOT MAKING SAVES. It doesn't matter how tight you play if your concern is literally every shot on goal.

Even if I agree with you that the goaltending is the number one, biggest most important problem the team has, and everyone is just completely exhausted from playing in front of them, you still can't have your top line disappear like McDavid's has for as long as it has. That just can't happen, regardless of how the rest of the team is playing. There's more to it than just goaltending.

They have to play better, but it's Goaltending first, if you don't address it, it's like changing the batteries in your smoke alarms while there's a fire in the kitchen. That battery change will help, but you know, there are larger problems.

 

[TopShelfGloveSide]

I know it’s basically Christmas when ours do but real starting goalies save breakaways all the time.

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

Makar + Toews + Manson is still >> Ekholm, Bouchard (esp. this year's version), Nurse.

Why should we have monstrously better results?

The Oilers are basically like the Dan Cloutier-era Canucks except McDavid and Draisaitl are so much better than the best Canuck forwards that the Oilers have managed to get in a Conference Finals and Finals appearance out of it.

I mean this is a you thing, but if they had goaltenders who stopped pucks, the Oilers are a better team.

 

[oXo Cube]

Which is fine. He needs to stop that 2nd goal. Period. Team doesn't have the confidence right now to fight back from a bad goal against/night.

And the third goal. Deflected yes but it went right through him. He needs to block the pass out front on the fourth goal too.

Pickard is of course just a mediocre backup and always has been so kinda is what it is there but that's no excuse for management to just continue to ignore the extremely obvious elephant in the room.

 

[Canovin]

Zito is a damn proactive GM.

 

[CycloneSweep]

That's all I'm saying. If the Oilers found it so exhausting playing in front of average goaltending for two months that the entire team instantly fell apart after the first bad game, I would be shocked.

Right now the goaltending is bad, but the entire team is bad too. Everyone outside of Draisaitl has been absolutely terrible during this stretch.

Ultimately the problem is that the team has proven it can play much better this year. They have been more good than bad for the whole year. The goaltending has been more bad than good and for the most part their best is decent.

That is why we all focus on goaltending because we know that when the team is playing its best, the goaltending is still a problem.

 

[Soundwave]

That's all I'm saying. If the Oilers found it so exhausting playing in front of average goaltending for two months that the entire team instantly fell apart after the first bad game, I would be shocked.

Right now the goaltending is bad, but the entire team is bad too. Everyone outside of Draisaitl has been absolutely terrible during this stretch.

Nothing surprising about that. The team brought in wingers that don't score and continual shit goaltending has killed in any buy-in to Knob/Coffey's defensive system.

The truth is Skinner needed to have a season this year where he put the league on notice that he's a legit starter and had learned from the Cup Finals last year and is sitting at least a .906 or something this year. Nope.

The front office needed to do some work in the summer to make life easier for McDavid and Draisaitl forwards/D/any f***ing position wise. Nope.

Finals fatigue is real if it wasn't a lot more teams would go right back to a Finals. You tell me how close MacKinnon and Makar have gotten to the Finals the last two years.

 

[K1984]

I have to be honest, the number of you that just assume the teams that win play utterly flawless hockey and perfect defense in all situations is f***ing hilarious.

I think there are far more people here thinking in the other direction where they think that giving up multiple odd man rushes per period and multiple breakaways per game is just ok and all teams do it, they just get saves. Or even more insanely, that the team is giving up these ridiculous opportunities because of the goalie.

The goalies suck, that's pretty well established. Excusing, ignoring, or somehow justifying the play of the rest of the group is an exercise in being deliberately deaf, dumb and blind.

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

Zito is a damn proactive GM.

He is indeed, what if lol. I thought the Oilers could take a chance, but I was shouted down lol.

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

Not going to give up many breakaways when you are up 4 goals most of the night.
No one is saying our team is perfect but keying is on 2 breakaways is silly.

why is it silly? the other team didn't do it

 

[CycloneSweep]

I think there are far more people here thinking in the other direction where they think that giving up multiple odd man rushes per period and multiple breakaways per game is just ok and all teams do it, they just get saves. Or even more insanely, that the team is giving up these ridiculous opportunities because of the goalie.

The goalies suck, that's pretty well established. Excusing, ignoring, or somehow justifying the play of the rest of the group is an exercise in being deliberately deaf, dumb and blind.

I think the problem with last night is the team played a great period and 2 breakaways in a period where you have controlled the play and hemmed the other team in is actually quite common. We used to get breakaways all the Time like that when we ducked.

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

I think there are far more people here thinking in the other direction where they think that giving up multiple odd man rushes per period and multiple breakaways per game is just ok and all teams do it, they just get saves. Or even more insanely, that the team is giving up these ridiculous opportunities because of the goalie.

The goalies suck, that's pretty well established. Excusing, ignoring, or somehow justifying the play of the rest of the group is an exercise in being deliberately deaf, dumb and blind.

The team has to be play better, I have stated as such, the team has also shown they can play better. But, no matter how well you play, if you don't get saves it doesn't matter in the slightest.

They need goaltending help before you can "fix" anything else, because you cannot adjust your level of play if you, as a team, are worried about every shot on goal.

 

[Canovin]

He is indeed, what if lol. I thought the Oilers could take a chance, but I was shouted down lol.

He doesn't waste time. It's like he listens to the fans and go out and get that player

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

First goal, sure it was a breakaway it sucked. Shouldn’t have allowed one, a save would have been nice but that’s a goal backups let in a bunch.

no it wasn't....Carlsson had a free look from a Drai giveaway

Second goal was a routine zone entry and a goal that should never go in. Ever. Goalie issue not on the d.

agreed

Third goal is embarassing for any goalie at any level and was off a faceoff. Zero fault of anyone outside the goalie.

so he should have anticipated the shot going off a skate?

Fourth goal was lack of focus and losing guy out front immediately after the awful third goal.

three Oilers behind the net while MacTavish all alone in front....solid D right here!

 

[Soundwave]

Zito is a damn proactive GM.

That's honestly the one thing about losing the Cup Final that I was ok with.

Their front office deserved that Cup 100%. Ours didn't.

I was at peace with that at least. Their front office had some massive balls in making some of the moves they did to build that team and hit pay dirt of several turning point smaller moves too.

It was good to see them get rewarded for that, 4 years ago that team was a joke, look at them now. Outstanding management work, can't hate on that.

 

[McTonyBrar]

Seravalli says we aren't doing anyhting. I think I'll start drinking early today

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

From killing themselves to get a roster with multiple holes in it to game 7 of a Cup Final.

There's seriously an issue of entitlement here where the fans just think because they made a Cup Final last year they ought to just cruise back, the fact is that's actually very rare. Very few teams do that and the ones that do all pretty much solid up and down the lineup (good forwards, good D, AND good goaltending).

The Avs are sitting in 7th in the division, why do the Oilers deserve any better? And the Avs only had to put up with bad goaltending like through December, we've been saddled with it all year.

They are basically about where they should be. They're not at present a better team than Colorado (at best it's a wash) I don't think, especially not with the goaltending they have so why is the expectation that they should have a massively better record + sitting in 1st in their division?

I'm glad McDavid is not bailing the front office out. They don't deserve top flight results with the roster they've built, one guy shouldn't have to bail them out and push the team to massive over performance.

Sorry but that's not good enough. Some of the players weren't here for the Cup run last year, what's their excuse?

The entire roster failed last night. They were making absolutely terrible decisions with the puck. I could've scored that fourth goal that's how wide open MacTavish was.

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

That's honestly the one thing about losing the Cup Final that I was ok with.

Their front office deserved that Cup 100%. Ours didn't.

I was at peace with that at least. Their front office had some massive balls in making some of the moves they did to build that team and hit pay dirt of several turning point smaller moves too.

It was good to see them get rewarded for that, 4 years ago that team was a joke, look at them now. Outstanding management work, can't hate on that.

Yeah you seem too happy with the team failing, maybe you just hate watch them now Soundwave.

 

[K1984]

The team has to be play better, I have stated as such, the team has also shown they can play better. But, no matter how well you play, if you don't get saves it doesn't matter in the slightest.

They need goaltending help before you can "fix" anything else, because you cannot adjust your level of play if you, as a team, are worried about every shot on goal.

One might think that managing the puck better, paying attention at the blue lines, and not taking stupid risks would be things that teams concerned about their goaltending would focus on addressing, but I guess here its ok somehow to just not do any of that because the goalies are bad.

We had the same goalies in November, December and January and we somehow didn't embarrass ourselves at a decade of darkness level defensively every night. Weird.

 

[McAsuno]

Some posters are seriously gonna place less blame on the goalies last night, seriously? A f***ing save would help.

 

[Soundwave]

Sorry but that's not good enough. Some of the players weren't here for the Cup run last year, what's their excuse?

The entire roster failed last night. They were making absolutely terrible decisions with the puck. I could've scored that fourth goal that's how wide open MacTavish was.

So for people who think this team should just be entitled to great results because other teams should just bend their knee cause we have 97 ... alright.

You tell me which team you think would have better results than the Oilers the last 2-3 years given the goalies the Oilers have also had.

We see what Colorado is without their loaded roster depth from 2022 and sieves like Georgiev. 1 playoff round win total since winning their Cup.

 

[foshizzle]

I know it’s basically Christmas when ours do but real starting goalies save breakaways all the time.

It's actually not even close. Goalies have a large advantage over players in saved v goals on breakaways. Just like an extraordinary number of tips and deflections are stopped.

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

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Some posters are seriously gonna place less blame on the goalies last night, seriously? A f***ing save would help.

throwing 30+ muffins doesn't prove anything...but congrats Oilers won winning the deserve-o-meter game for the first time in awhile

 

[CycloneSweep]

no it wasn't....Carlsson had a free look from a Drai giveaway


agreed


so he should have anticipated the shot going off a skate?


three Oilers behind the net while MacTavish all alone in front....solid D right here!

I’m sorry but that third goal going in gets every goalie in the f***ing lead roasted. So team made one mistake, first goal happens. That’s fine team mistake. 2nd and 3rd goal shouldn’t happen. Team is pissed thinking here we go again and then the 4th goal happens immediately afterwards. This is a fragile team like Knoblauch said.
If that 2nd goal doesn’t go in AT WORST the game is 2-1 going into the 2nd. But probably only 1-1.
And that’s why people roll their eyes when you try and excuse the goaltending.

Here are the facts. The goaltending is awful. That’s a literal fact, the numbers point to it, the eye test points to it.

The defence has issues yes. HOWEVER looking at the season as a whole the defence has been good. That matches the eye test, it matches the numbers, matches everything.

So what should the org as a whole focus on? The thing that is proven to be bad overall? For most of the year? That can be corrected by adding a single player?

Or should the org focus on the thing that has proven overall they are better than this?

Fixing the ds issues is a coaching thing right now they can correct and adding a player would be nice.

Fixing the goaltending cannot be addressed without a trade and is the most important thing for this team to address.

 

[Soundwave]

Yeah you seem too happy with the team failing, maybe you just hate watch them now Soundwave.

I'm happy management's incompetence is put on full view.

What good does it do us for example if McDavid goes HAM and gives us an extra 6-7 points in the standings.

The blow hards that run this team and the media would just think nothing is wrong. It's better to realize you have a problem than have it hidden and glossed over where you delude yourself into thinking you've got it made.

It's better the team realize this now. No it's not pleasant, but to know it now than find out in May. At least maybe you can do something now.