Proposal: Trade Rumors/Proposals 2019-20 Part II

[Micklebot]

It's Chris Tierney and a 2nd for Poehling not Tierney for Poehling and a second.

I still don't believe the habs would do it.

I honestly don't get the hype for Poehling... I mean, he's not a bad prospect, but he seems overvalued to me.

 

[stempniaksen]

I honestly don't get the hype for Poehling... I mean, he's not a bad prospect, but he seems overvalued to me.

Up until this season he was basically on the exact same development path as Josh Norris. I don't really think anyone here would be lining up to move Norris for Tierney (or Tierney+) so I understand Habs management/fans turning this type of deal down.

I mean, he's a Hab prospect so he's bound to be overvalued, but that doesn't mean he's not tracking to be a real solid 2C type.

 

[Sweatred]

It's Chris Tierney and a 2nd for Poehling not Tierney for Poehling and a second.

I still don't believe the habs would do it.

I agree - but for arguments sake.. what is the difference between a 2017 1Rd 25th overall (poehling) and the Sens 2020 2Nd rounds picks (Ott, Dal, Col etc).

Phoeling can’t help MTL now, CT can and they essentially replace the asset with say Ott’s 2ND pick.

CT just isn’t exciting enough to burn Poehling.

 

[Micklebot]

Up until this season he was basically on the exact same development path as Josh Norris. I don't really think anyone here would be lining up to move Norris for Tierney (or Tierney+) so I understand Habs management/fans turning this type of deal down.

I mean, he's a Hab prospect so he's bound to be overvalued, but that doesn't mean he's not tracking to be a real solid 2C type.

I'm a little higher on Tierney's value than most around here, and up until this year many were not very high on Norris, so idk. I don't think the Habs should be making that kind of trade mind you, they are better off rolling the dice on Poehling than adding a guy like Tierney, but from our perspective, he's not someone I'd target.

 

[Viletho]

I agree - but for arguments sake.. what is the difference between a 2017 1Rd 25th overall (poehling) and the Sens 2020 2Nd rounds picks (Ott, Dal, Col etc).

Phoeling can’t help MTL now, CT can and they essentially replace the asset with say Ott’s 2ND pick.

CT just isn’t exciting enough to burn Poehling.

I live in Laval just beside Montréal. From everything we hear around here, montreal is very high on Peohling. That's the only reason why I believe they would not do it.

I'm not high on him personnaly. I see him as a 3rd C or 2nd C at most.

I honestly don't get the hype for Poehling... I mean, he's not a bad prospect, but he seems overvalued to me.

I do not either. But they are high on him.

I believe the hype comes from 2 things.

1. WJC MVP : They guy had 8 points, i believe. 7 before the quarter final.. Seems like a very week mvp title

2. Hat trick + shoothout games to finish last year. He was their futur #1 Center at that point if you'd listen to montreal radio. He was a lock to make montreal's team, etc etc etc.

When you look at our 1st year pro prospect outplaying him by far in term of point( he has 5g + 2a in 22 games in Laval ), he believe they hype will cool down.

 

[LeProspector]

I honestly don’t think the Sens resign Namestinkov like many around here are suggesting.
Ottawa has too many young wingers that can play in the top-9 by next season, I don’t believe Ottawa will need him. (Abramov, Formenton, Balcers, Batherson)

Dorian should just be looking to flip him for more value that what we paid for at the deadline hopefully.

 

[bert]

I honestly don’t think the Sens resign Namestinkov like many around here are suggesting.
Ottawa has too many young wingers that can play in the top-9 by next season, I don’t believe Ottawa will need him. (Abramov, Formenton, Balcers, Batherson)

Dorian should just be looking to flip him for more value that what we paid for at the deadline hopefully.

Yeah thats the logical thing to do, or just flip him and try and sign him or someone similar in the offseason. As thick as Dorion appears to be I think he understands the situation.

 

[Qward]

I am on the boat that thinks we should trade Namestikov for anything higher than what was given up for him.

 

[HSF]

It's Chris Tierney and a 2nd for Poehling not Tierney for Poehling and a second.

I still don't believe the habs would do it.

I don't think they would either not for Tierney. Maybe in a deal for hall

 

[Sweatred]

I am on the boat that thinks we should trade Namestikov for anything higher than what was given up for him.

White had a nice game on the wing vs Calgary and we may trade CT and Pager. That would leave us pretty thin with Basically Brown, Chaplik, and Norris at C. I don’t think we can moves Names until we see a little more from White’s development and possibly sign Pager or commit to CT.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

Tierney is a legit NHL centremen. Pool party is a what? What is he? A guy that can play in the NHL? At what level? A guy that cannot play at the nhl level? Until thru his own play pool party demonstrates that he's either going to be an NHLer or that he is going to Yakopov his career, there isn't really a market for him

Never said he wasn't an NHL center man, I just see him as a piece that can be used to acquire something actually valuable to the rebuild down the line. You have to give to get and to me he's an expendable piece in the long term game for when the games matter cuz I am not a fan of his soft game as a 3C, and definitely don't want him as a top 2C, nor would any contender. His value is in his own currency we can use to build and I think overachieving in tanking seasons is overrated, so I have no problem dealing him, filling his role in the mean time and dealing with any consequences that I think are overblown anyways.

Also, we've been over this numerous times and you just don't agree, so you're entitled to your opinion. We have a tiny budget to work with in Ottawa and Tierney is not a guy I would want eating up a decent chunk. I think we had to rebuild in large part because of too many commitments to underachievers or role players that don't really tip the scales like Tierney while losing the guys that carried them for the most part. I want the budget preserved for the future as the priority and think it would be a bad choice to commit term and dollars to this guy when the time comes. Using him as currency takes that option off the table and is the wise choice imo. The worst thing to do would be to commit to him and give him any kind of significant term, but if we use him as a stop gap on a 2 year term or something, I can live with that, but this is not a player I see having value to the rebuild when it might matter and would prefer he not be accounted for in the budget.

 

[FolignoQuantumLeap]

I am on the boat that thinks we should trade Namestikov for anything higher than what was given up for him.

I'm fine with that but I also think Namestnikov is a good candidate to sign to a short term deal. If he's comfortable and getting good playing time here, it could be a good environment to chase the next contract. Put up 40-50 points in back to back years then get a 3-4 year deal somewhere else at good money.

 

[TonySoprano11]

Anyone else getting the vibe that there is going to be a Senators trade happening in the next couple weeks before the Christmas freeze?

 

[TheDebater]

Yeah thats the logical thing to do, or just flip him and try and sign him or someone similar in the offseason. As thick as Dorion appears to be I think he understands the situation.

It is not just you but people really need to stop suggesting this, especially in Pageau's case. It rarely ever happens and when it has happened I have hated the teams for doing it, it just seems so "in your face" to the rest of the league.

Either sign the players you want before the deadline, or trade them out and move on, none of this back room mafia type deals.

 

[stempniaksen]

I was originally leaning towards re-signing Namestnikov, but assuming the team sees him as a winger I think he'll get squeezed next season. I could see him being re-signed if the team runs into issues in negotiations with Duclair and/or C.Brown, but the'll need to open up (full-time) spots for some of Batherson, Balcers, Formenton, Abramov, Chlapik, Norris, Davidsson, Verroneau.

 

[stempniaksen]

I'm a little higher on Tierney's value than most around here, and up until this year many were not very high on Norris, so idk. I don't think the Habs should be making that kind of trade mind you, they are better off rolling the dice on Poehling than adding a guy like Tierney, but from our perspective, he's not someone I'd target.

I mean, I certainly wouldn't tack on a 2nd round pick, but the same logic applies to a Tierney/Poehling swap as it does in a Tierney/Puljujarvi swap. If the organization has the opportunity to trade a placeholder (a decent one mind you) in CT for a guy they think could be part of the core moving forward than you have to take that shot, imo.

Poehling doesn't necessarily fill a direct need for this team, but I'd put him in the same tier as guys like Brown, White and Norris as far as skill/potential/upside are concerned and that's a more valuable piece for a rebuilding team than a good (but not great) 3C type.

 

[BonkTastic]

The only reasons I can think of to keep Namestnikov, rather than trade him at the deadline and just sign an equivalent UFA in the summer, are:

1) he has expressed an interest in staying here at less than market value, or
2) we are planning on investing semi-heavily in young Russian players, and value his role as a cultural & language "bridge" between North American hockey & cultural expectations vs those in Russia, and therefore see value in Namestnikov above his on-ice contributions.

If it's not either of those cases... Trade him.

 

[The Devilish Buffoon]

I honestly don't get the hype for Poehling... I mean, he's not a bad prospect, but he seems overvalued to me.

100%. He's a 2nd/3rd line prospect.

To be fair, a lot of Habs fans I've spoken to see the same - that he will be a good 3rd liner to an average or slightly below average 2nd liner.

 

[Sweatred]

I mean, I certainly wouldn't tack on a 2nd round pick, but the same logic applies to a Tierney/Poehling swap as it does in a Tierney/Puljujarvi swap. If the organization has the opportunity to trade a placeholder (a decent one mind you) in CT for a guy they think could be part of the core moving forward than you have to take that shot, imo.

Poehling doesn't necessarily fill a direct need for this team, but I'd put him in the same tier as guys like Brown, White and Norris as far as skill/potential/upside are concerned and that's a more valuable piece for a rebuilding team than a good (but not great) 3C type.

I would be very impressed if PD picked up a better prospect than Poehling for CT with or without the 2nd. Perhaps your suggesting to target a different position? MTL has Caufield, a RW with a little more upside than Poehling but I don’t think they would consider CT + 2Nd for him.

 

[JessicaN]

Anyone else getting the vibe that there is going to be a Senators trade happening in the next couple weeks before the Christmas freeze?

I hope not...Pierre makes too many deals and needs to calm down.

 

[TheNewEra]

Anyone else getting the vibe that there is going to be a Senators trade happening in the next couple weeks before the Christmas freeze?

I have that same vibe and hopefully its not a big trade. We don't do too well in the big trades on average. That being said with balcers and batherson knocking on the door, we do need to move a forward or two to make room for them

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

I hope not...Pierre makes too many deals and needs to calm down.

Agreed. It's been like a kid playing NHL on his playstation.

 

[aragorn]

To Edmonton: Namestikov LW, Tierny C & Ennis LW/RW
To Ottawa: Raphael Lavoie RW, Gagner C (cap dump) & Brodsiak C IR

To Detroit: Pageau C, DeMello RD & Balcers LW
To Ottawa: 2020 2nd rd pick (32nd), Svechnikov LW, Daley RD (cap dump) IR & Franzen LTIR

To Edmonton: Duclair LW, Brannstrom LD & Davidsson RW
To Ottawa: Evan Bouchard RD & Manning LD (cap dump)

- Ottawa can turn around & try to move Gagner, Brodziak & Daley at the deadline or just let them walk at the end of the season. Franzen's LTIR runs out this yr. The 2nd rd pick could help Ottawa get into the 1st rd should they want to move up at any time.

- Ottawa gets two young forwards in Lavoie RW (replaces Davidsson) & Svechnikov LW (replaces Balcers) for their rebuild & a top pairing RD Bouchard (replaces Brannstrom) to play with Chabot.

- Edmonton gets a complete 3rd line that can actually put up some pts that are relatively cheap & that could be resigned for next season relatively cheap. They also get another good young scoring forward to help their depth & a young defencemen & forward with good potential. Edmonton is basically a two line team & with these additions should be able to get more scoring from their bottom six.

- Detroit get a good 3rd line centre & defensive specialist in Pageau & a decent younger RD in DeMello & both could be re-signed relatively cheaply to help them rebuild. They also acquire Balcers who is a very good forward that seems NHL ready.

 

[TheDebater]

To Edmonton: Namestikov LW, Tierny C & Ennis LW/RW
To Ottawa: Raphael Lavoie RW, Gagner C (cap dump) & Brodsiak C IR

To Detroit: Pageau C, DeMello RD & Balcers LW
To Ottawa: 2020 2nd rd pick (32nd), Svechnikov LW, Daley RD (cap dump) IR & Franzen LTIR

To Edmonton: Duclair LW, Brannstrom LD & Davidsson RW
To Ottawa: Evan Bouchard RD & Manning LD (cap dump)

- Ottawa can turn around & try to move Gagner, Brodziak & Daley at the deadline or just let them walk at the end of the season. Franzen's LTIR runs out this yr

- Ottawa gets two young forwards in Lavoie RW & Svechnikov LW for their rebuild

- Edmonton gets a complete 3rd line that can actually put up some pts that are relatively cheap & that could be resigned for next season relatively cheap. They also get another good young scoring forward to help their depth & a young defencemen & forward with good potential.

- Detroit get a good 3rd line centre & defensive specialist in Pageau & a decent younger RD in DeMello & both could be re-signed to help them rebuild as well as a good forward that seems NHL ready.

Please stop.

 

[Alf Silfversson]

To Edmonton: Namestikov LW, Tierny C & Ennis LW/RW
To Ottawa: Raphael Lavoie RW, Gagner C (cap dump) & Brodsiak C IR

To Detroit: Pageau C, DeMello RD & Balcers LW
To Ottawa: 2020 2nd rd pick (32nd), Svechnikov LW, Daley RD (cap dump) IR & Franzen LTIR

To Edmonton: Duclair LW, Brannstrom LD & Davidsson RW
To Ottawa: Evan Bouchard RD & Manning LD (cap dump)

- Ottawa can turn around & try to move Gagner, Brodziak & Daley at the deadline or just let them walk at the end of the season. Franzen's LTIR runs out this yr. The 2nd rd pick could help Ottawa get into the 1st rd should they want to move up at any time.

- Ottawa gets two young forwards in Lavoie RW (replaces Davidsson) & Svechnikov LW (replaces Balcers) for their rebuild & a top pairing RD Bouchard (replaces Brannstrom) to play with Chabot.

- Edmonton gets a complete 3rd line that can actually put up some pts that are relatively cheap & that could be resigned for next season relatively cheap. They also get another good young scoring forward to help their depth & a young defencemen & forward with good potential. Edmonton is basically a two line team & with these additions should be able to get more scoring from their bottom six.

- Detroit get a good 3rd line centre & defensive specialist in Pageau & a decent younger RD in DeMello & both could be re-signed relatively cheaply to help them rebuild. They also acquire Balcers who is a very good forward that seems NHL ready.

Except for the first one, these are just BAD for Ottawa.

Balcers is already a far superior player to Svechnikov (unless you're thinking Andrei) so it boils down to Demelo (a decent, cheap NHL RD) and Pageau (an elite defensive forward) for a 2nd rounder and 2 cap dumps? Awful trade.

Have you actually watched Bouchard? Or do you just like him because he's 6'3? You're always saying that you like tough players that are hard to play against and that sure ain't Bouchard. He's soft, slow and pretty poor defensively. He's a PP specialist basically, IMO. Even so it's fair to say that Brannstrom holds roughly the same value as Bouchard; I'd way rather have Brannstrom but we'll say they have similar value. So that leaves Duclair (a 24 year old on pace for 30 goals who is cost controlled by RFA status) and Davidsson (a nice looking 22 year old prospect who played well in a short NHL stint this season) for a 29 year old 6-7 defenseman making $2.3M. Edmonton would laugh all the way to the bank on this one.

As for getting Lavoie? I'm OK with that one, even if the value isn't there. His ceiling is really high.