Proposal: Trade Rumors and Proposals XV: MacT Throw Us a Friggin Bone Here!

[Jimmi McJenkins]

Speculation on the main board that Boston has too many bodies on the blueline and McQuaid may be moved.

Not sure if Ference ever played with him but he'd be a great physical get for our 3rd pairing.

Yeah, adding toughness on the backend would make a big difference.

Potter + for McQuaid, maybe? Please?

 

[Trafalgar Sadge Law]

Good teams don't give good hockey players away. The last thing the Oilers need to be doing is trading away good hockey players.

Which is exactly why we should be trading away Ales Hemsky. I don't get how people can watch the games and say "Ales Hemsky is playing his best hockey in years". He's not! What are you people watching? It's the same old crap as the past 2 years. The guy shows up to half the games playing like a man possessed, actually forechecking, and plays like the Hemsky from 5 years ago. Then shows up to the other half looking like a lazy bum who sulks and pouts on every shift, goes offside, refuses to move on the powerplay, and making dumb decisions all over the ice. The Oilers are better off without an influence like this, we're already seeing the laziness with Eberle sometimes.

 

[Trafalgar Sadge Law]

I am sure Hemsky will be traded this deadline.. I just hope MacT sends him to a contender instead of what he did with Smid .. That move was nasty!!

Trading away players for lesser returns just to get them onto a better team is how idiots run their team. If you do that, you end up losing a Hall of Famer like Jarome Iginla for a 29th overall pick and a bunch of fodder NCAA prospects.

 

[NMK]

if you are the NYR, why in gods name would you make that deal?

He's a UFA at the end of the year and there are reports they are looking to trade him.

 

[Mcnotloilersfan]

What do we do with this Grill-less Gagner? Give him some more rope and hope his value increases some more or should MacT pull a trade if the return is half decent ?

BOS has a couple Dmen ready to come back from injury (Hamilton and one other) and they might make a move to free up roster spot.. McQuaid and Boychuk is currently the 3rd pairing for them..

I would do Hemsky@50% for Boychuk

I would love to find a deal for Boychuk, but I imagine his experience is too valuable for them on the back end in the playoffs.

If we somehow pulled a deal like that off, then managed to trade Yak/Ebs + Petry/Schultz for a #1 guy, and then draft Ekblad, things start to look much better.

Trade Schultz/Petry
Ference Boychuk
Ekblad XXXX

 

[rasarhdasd]

http://www.cbc.ca/sports-content/hockey/opinion/2013/12/oil-change-inevitable-in-edmonton.html

As long as Hall and RNH are not part of any package for Weber (unlikely anyways), I don't care what Edmonton gives up.

 

[Soli]

http://www.cbc.ca/sports-content/hockey/opinion/2013/12/oil-change-inevitable-in-edmonton.html

As long as Hall and RNH are not part of any package for Weber (unlikely anyways), I don't care what Edmonton gives up.

Eberle, Gagner, EDM 1st, if we do this during the season because: 1) not sure I can live with it if that 1st became Ekblad, 2) Gagner's NTC kicks in after the season.

 

[s7ark]

http://www.cbc.ca/sports-content/hockey/opinion/2013/12/oil-change-inevitable-in-edmonton.html

As long as Hall and RNH are not part of any package for Weber (unlikely anyways), I don't care what Edmonton gives up.

In that article he specifically said that one one Edmonton's recent 1st overall forwards that wasn't Yakupov + our 1st in 2014 would be the starting price. Weber is outstanding, but without Hall our offense goes nowhere even with the other big names. And no team wins anything without a 1C. Frankly, if Nashville wants a recent 1st overall forward + for Weber they are going to be in tough to get it. Apart from our three, MacKinnon, Tavares, Stamkos, Kane, Crosby, Ovechkin. None seem likely to move.

I would offer up Gagner + Petry + 1st 2014 + our next 1st after we make the playoffs. If they wanted more, I'd offer to swap in Eberle or Perron for Gags and drop the second 1st. If they insisted on Hall or RNH, I'd walk away.

Oh and if our pick can get Ekblad, the offer is off the table as well.

 

[OilerFan4Life]

If I'm Poille, I don't trade Weber unless one of RNH or Hall is included.

Eberle? Really? That's the guy you're going to sell to your country music fanbase as the main return in a trade for your franchise player and leagues best d-man?

 

[McDrai]

If Nashville asked for Hall/RNH in a package for Weber then I would shift focus to Josi or Jones

 

[Canovin]

Will Shea Weber instantly make us playoffs contenders?

 

[s7ark]

If I'm Poille, I don't trade Weber unless one of RNH or Hall is included.

Eberle? Really? That's the guy you're going to sell to your country music fanbase as the main return in a trade for your franchise player and leagues best d-man?

What other team in the league will offer up a recent 1st overall forward? If we say no to that he has no other options.

 

[Zap Brannigan]

Which is exactly why we should be trading away Ales Hemsky. I don't get how people can watch the games and say "Ales Hemsky is playing his best hockey in years". He's not! What are you people watching? It's the same old crap as the past 2 years. The guy shows up to half the games playing like a man possessed, actually forechecking, and plays like the Hemsky from 5 years ago. Then shows up to the other half looking like a lazy bum who sulks and pouts on every shift, goes offside, refuses to move on the powerplay, and making dumb decisions all over the ice. The Oilers are better off without an influence like this, we're already seeing the laziness with Eberle sometimes.

Yeah I'm sure the Oilers are better off with another non NHLer like Luke Gazdic over an actual NHL player like Ales Hemsky

 

[Soli]

What other team in the league will offer up a recent 1st overall forward? If we say no to that he has no other options.

It doesn't say recent 1st overall. It says recent 1st round pick. I had to read it again as well, it leads you to make a jump by mentioning Yakupov.

 

[rasarhdasd]

If they don't want Yakupov, there's no way Edmonton trades Hall or RNH. Hall is the face of the franchise and RNH is their only center, and there is no chance they go with Gagner/whoever as the #1 centre. With Eberle + 2014 1st they can have a 1st line and draft a centre with the pick.

Although, it's funny they wouldn't want Yakupov when he will most likely be better than Eberle anyways. Can't see them interested in Nurse because they need a skilled forward, not more defensemen.

 

[McJadeddog]

http://www.cbc.ca/sports-content/hockey/opinion/2013/12/oil-change-inevitable-in-edmonton.html

As long as Hall and RNH are not part of any package for Weber (unlikely anyways), I don't care what Edmonton gives up.

the very fact that literally every other oilers fan would agree with this statement tells you that nashville would never do it.... most oilers fans would be more than willing to give up a package similar to: eberle + this years 1st rounder + klefbom... but again, the very fact that we would all do that deal in a second means that we are drastically under-estimating what it would take to actually get weber

 

[McJadeddog]

if the conversation starts with hall or RNH, the oilers walk away, pretty simple... if the conversation *doesn't* start with hall or RNH, then the predators walk away

this is why this deal will never, ever, happen

 

[BoldNewLettuce]

the very fact that literally every other oilers fan would agree with this statement tells you that nashville would never do it.... most oilers fans would be more than willing to give up a package similar to: eberle + this years 1st rounder + klefbom... but again, the very fact that we would all do that deal in a second means that we are drastically under-estimating what it would take to actually get weber

what is a comparable package?

60pt 23 year old locked up long term, top 3 pick and top 10/20 d prospect.

LA/SJ/PHI could just offer Couture/Kopitar/Giroux + I guess...and if I'm Nashville I'm looking for a centre.

 

[Fixed to Ruin]

http://www.cbc.ca/sports-content/hockey/opinion/2013/12/oil-change-inevitable-in-edmonton.html

As long as Hall and RNH are not part of any package for Weber (unlikely anyways), I don't care what Edmonton gives up.

I really liked this part:

27. The Coyotes, like other teams he's played for, marvel at Mike Ribeiro's ability to move laterally in a league with so many hard-charging north/south players. "He never gets hit," Keith Yandle said. How does he avoid it? "You watch tape," Ribeiro explained. "If a team is going to play a 1-2-2, you know where everyone is supposed to be. Don't go there.' That seems pretty smart. "I only get hit when it's 4-on-4," he added. "Because guys are everywhere ... Jack Johnson got me the hardest. I looked up and said, 'What are you doing here?'"

 

[McJadeddog]

what is a comparable package?

60pt 23 year old locked up long term, top 3 pick and top 10/20 d prospect.

LA/SJ/PHI could just offer Couture/Kopitar/Giroux + I guess...and if I'm Nashville I'm looking for a centre.

everybody always says that "we don't have to match what nashville wants, we only have to beat what other teams are willing to give up".... but this logic is flawed, as it ignores the fact that nashville can simply decide to not trade weber.... by all accounts weber is very happy in nashville, so the organization is not being forced to trade him by any means

all of this is just bluster by reporters though, i don't believe for a nano-second that nashville is contemplating trading weber.... no more than i believe the oilers are trading hall or the nucks are trading the sedins.... teams don't trade their best player(s) very often unless they are forced to by external forces (ex: trade requests)

 

[s7ark]

It doesn't say recent 1st overall. It says recent 1st round pick. I had to read it again as well, it leads you to make a jump by mentioning Yakupov.

Wow. My brain just totally filled that part in. Well still what teams have an excess of skilled forwards that they could part with for Weber. I suppose the Habs with MaxPac+ or the Jets with Kane+. I still think we could make the most attractive offer even if we excluded Hall + RNH.

everybody always says that "we don't have to match what nashville wants, we only have to beat what other teams are willing to give up".... but this logic is flawed, as it ignores the fact that nashville can simply decide to not trade weber.... by all accounts weber is very happy in nashville, so the organization is not being forced to trade him by any means

all of this is just bluster by reporters though, i don't believe for a nano-second that nashville is contemplating trading weber.... no more than i believe the oilers are trading hall or the nucks are trading the sedins.... teams don't trade their best player(s) very often unless they are forced to by external forces (ex: trade requests)

How else is Nashville going to fix their forwards? They have had a lack of skilled forwards since the team started in this league.

 

[The Nuge]

Yeah I'm sure the Oilers are better off with another non NHLer like Luke Gazdic over an actual NHL player like Ales Hemsky

Would you give it a rest? Gazdic just got player of the game and you can't even find something else to post about?

If Nashville asked for Hall/RNH in a package for Weber then I would shift focus to Josi or Jones

Agreed. And both of them would instantly be our best dman, so it's not like they'd be bad choices

 

[BoldNewLettuce]

everybody always says that "we don't have to match what nashville wants, we only have to beat what other teams are willing to give up".... but this logic is flawed, as it ignores the fact that nashville can simply decide to not trade weber.... by all accounts weber is very happy in nashville, so the organization is not being forced to trade him by any means

all of this is just bluster by reporters though, i don't believe for a nano-second that nashville is contemplating trading weber.... no more than i believe the oilers are trading hall or the nucks are trading the sedins.... teams don't trade their best player(s) very often unless they are forced to by external forces (ex: trade requests)

that was my point. the Oilers can offer a great winger and prospect package which other teams would be hard pressed to beat....but Nashville should be looking for a centre not a winger....and this really puts the Oilers at a disadvantage.

You can't outbid a Kopitar/Couture/Giroux offer.....not that those teams would offer that....specifically LA since the just won a cup....but just sayin any team with an abundance of top six centres willing to change directions should have us beat.

 

[LTIR]

If I'm Poille, I don't trade Weber unless one of RNH or Hall is included.

Eberle? Really? That's the guy you're going to sell to your country music fanbase as the main return in a trade for your franchise player and leagues best d-man?

really? Why not Eberle.. Who is the best winger they have right now? Hornqvist and his 18pts? Eberle is great talent and is already considered a "star".
Who did we get for Pronger? Lupul ?

Out 1st is a top 3-5 pick even with Weber.

Eberle + Petry\Gagner + 2014 1st would be a solid start from us.

 

[McJadeddog]

How else is Nashville going to fix their forwards? They have had a lack of skilled forwards since the team started in this league.

the same way we hope to fix our D problems, which does not include trading our best players hall/RNH... if we aren't willing to trade hall/RNH to fix our problems, why would we assume other teams are willing to trade their best players to fix their problems?