Proposal: Trade Rumors and Proposals: If Someone From the Core Gets Dealt Who Should it Be?

[Rafters]

That might make some sense although I wouldn't want Schenn playing on the top pair with Sekera.

Not much diff then Fayne with Sekera......Luke is Ufa at season end...younger and more physical

 

[KlimasLoveChild]

Is Gudas capable of top 4 minutes? I know he very physical and built like a fire hydrant but really havn't seen much of him. I'm actually really interested in who the young dman is. If it is Moran or Provorov we might see Draisatl headed the other way.....It is Eklund however

 

[Jet Walters]

Who do they have that we'd be interested in? Supposedly Eklund has a connection to the Flyers so maybe there's something behind it? I would definitely trust Chia's assessment of EC players.

Tough to say who we would want from Philly. They have just as bad Defense as us so it doesn't make a lot of sense. Simmonds is exactly what we need but I don't see a deal there unless we put a Hall/Eberle/Drai on the table. Andy MacDonald is making 5 million in the minors so perhaps a Fayne/macdonald swap with Philly retaining some cap hit might work although he has 5 years left to Fayne's 3. My guess would be a Yak/Fayne for Shenn brothers plus prospect swap that would allow the Oilers to free up some more cap space for a number 1 D. Next summer L. Schenn is off the books as would Fayne's contract, which is starting to look like not such a good investment.

 

[Bryanbryoil]

Anyone know how good of a skater and passer Gudas is?

 

[duul]

The only three pieces I'd want from Philly are Simmonds, Couturier, and Provorov.

 

[Jet Walters]

Anyone know how good of a skater and passer Gudas is?

A Gudas one!

 

[Jet Walters]

Not much diff then Fayne with Sekera......Luke is Ufa at season end...younger and more physical

I think Sekera would benefit from a more physical partner. Fayne needs to be more physically engaged if he is going to keep a spot in the Chiarelli era.

 

[phaedrusDH]

please don't tell me you honestly think Luke Schenn is better than Fayne.

 

[Jet Walters]

please don't tell me you honestly think Luke Schenn is better than Fayne.

Not really sure as I haven't watched many Philly games, but I would say letting Luke walk at the end of the year and not being on the hook for two more years of Fayne at 3.625 million would be a win for the Oilers. We all know they need a #1 RHD and how exactly do they fit that player in with both Fayne and Schultz still on the roster?

 

[McOilbleeder]

To add to baseless speculation, there was a rumor that the Flyers were sniffing around Byfuglien. Maybe a 3 way trade between us, Flyers and the Jets?

 

[IAGTTAYM]

I can't see us adding a d-man unless we are getting rid of one. Fayne would be the obvious candidate in that case. I doubt Flyers have any interest in him, since they are carrying 8 d-man themselves and have been trying to move L Schenn for a while.

I could see a scenario where we move Fayne for a pick and trade for L Schenn. Fayne is better in my book, but he's signed until 2018 and Schenn is UFA in the summer. The plan then would be to open up cap space for the summer, or include Schenn's UFA contract in a trade for a significant upgrade.

I don't see a major trade between Oilers and Flyers though, especially not one that includes a d-prospect coming back to EDM. Flyers needs a scoring LW and we don't have a spare one really. And to get one of Philly's good d-prospects (Morin, Hagg, Provorov or Sanheim), it would take a good player in return.

 

[KlimasLoveChild]

please don't tell me you honestly think Luke Schenn is better than Fayne.

What does Fayne do well that makes this such a stretch? I remember a comment in the preseason by Mclellan about the vanilla hockey player being a dime a dozen and it was up to each man to step up and show what they could bring. Fayne is the definition of vanilla. I really can't see him making it through the year with the oilers.

 

[McAsuno]

Luke Schenn is god awful. Easy pass.

 

[The Nuge]

Anyone know how good of a skater and passer Gudas is?

As far as defensive dmen go, above average.

And ya, I think he can play top 4. He's exactly what we need

 

[PKSpecialist]

That is entirely possible because I know that he did want to stay and that he wanted a longer term deal. MacT would have none of it and that is where things went south and the rest is history.

It's possible the story I got was after that then. There were a few internally that wanted to keep him but he didn't want to stick around by then

I can tell you that I had 2 very reliable sources that told me the exact same thing. He wanted a longer term deal but MacT said no. He did want out, AFTER he was offered only 1 or 2 year deals that is why he signed a 1 year deal. I also know that he would've signed for quite a bit less than what he did in Montreal. This was all on the Oilers side you can check my post history as I've been saying the same thing for quite some time.

I'm gonna get long winded here because I got a lot to get off my chest, but go ahead to the next post if you don't like to read.

I am pretty sure we are all on the same page here. Petry wanted to be an Oiler prior to last season. He wanted to sign long term. The dollar value was much less because he was never a very consistent defender for us and didn't really show much fire as a player at all prior to last season. Of course he got more from Montreal after having a very consistent season, and quite honestly showing me something I had never seen from him before, including a physical element. However, that dollar value although less than what he ended up signing for, wasn't deemed acceptable by the Oilers and MacT. They told him if that was the dollar value he wanted that they were only comfortable giving it to him on a 2 year term, not the term he was looking for.

In the mean time, the Oilers overpaid Nikitin as a UFA, Petry sulked, signed a 1 year deal and didn't have any intention of sticking around. He did exactly what MacT wanted, and proved that he was worth the deal he was asking for to begin with(and probably more). The Oilers offered him a long-term deal at the deadline, which they were pretty sure he would turn down because his decision had been made.

The Oilers have done much the same thing with Schultz this year. He is on a show me contract, and there is no doubt in my mind that if he proves his worth the Oilers will be more than happy to pay him on a longer term contract, but they are putting themselves in a position that they aren't going to pay a defender to be something they haven't proven they are in the past. It's pretty much the opposite of what they have done with the forwards, probably because these defenders are not as high profile as they were.

The outcome of the whole thing was bad for the Oilers as they could use a Petry. It's also bad because MacT or more likely Scott Howson overvalued Nikitin and then overpaid and he still has a year on his deal. However, the people here hated MacT and have the blinders on to much of this situation and what is more than likely reality because of it. Why no hate for Chiarelli for signing Schultz to a long term deal? Same situation as Petry. Hasn't proven anything at this point. ( I will concede that Petry is and was the better defender at the time, but certainly no more consistent, and the situations are pretty much identical).

I don't care what your personal opinions are on either player or either GM, but I personally think the only real mistake was signing Nikitin. The fact that Petry used that to make his decision to leave town is on him, not MacT and not the Oilers.

Lots of people here are quite vocal about forcing guys to earn there spots and letting players like Nurse/Drasaitl develop, yet many of these same people are quite vocal about throwing contracts at similar players that they haven't yet earned.

I'm fine if you don't like a player, coach, GM, etc. This is a message board, go ahead and voice it. All I ask is that you don't use personal bias against those people to make everything they do be a bad thing. Teddy Purcell isn't our best player, but there are certainly things he does well. Scrivens wasn't the best goalie, but he had many good nights here and before he was here. MacT was not the best GM, but he did several good things while he was here. Chiarelli is a good GM, but he will make some bad moves. Keep an open mind when these things happen and base them on the moves/plays/games themselves, rather than your biases against the people making them.

 

[Titsuple]

I say we trade Fayne away for a prospect or a pick and bring Nurse up. Davidson down, Slepy down and either Drai or Pakarinen up

Klef - Sekera
Nurse - Schultz
Reinhart - Gryba
Ference

 

[McDeathbyCheerios*]

Maybe we trade Fayne + for L Schenn and Provorov

 

[Zaddy]

I really don't see how the Oilers and Flyers would be good trading partners. Flyers d-core is arguably worse than ours and the other thing they need is an LW and we can't give one away unless we're getting a good one back. They have good D prospects but with our young defense it doesn't make any sense to bring in yet another young, unproven guy.

I say we trade Fayne away for a prospect or a pick and bring Nurse up. Davidson down, Slepy down and either Drai or Pakarinen up

Klef - Sekera
Nurse - Schultz
Reinhart - Gryba
Ference

What's the point? There's no rush bringing either Nurse or Drai up. Let them play and develop in the minors until they are ready for full-time NHL duty.

 

[Soundwave]

I'd probably do Luke Schenn for Fayne just because it gives us more cap room for next summer.

 

[Narnia]

I'm gonna get long winded here because I got a lot to get off my chest, but go ahead to the next post if you don't like to read.

I am pretty sure we are all on the same page here. Petry wanted to be an Oiler prior to last season. He wanted to sign long term. The dollar value was much less because he was never a very consistent defender for us and didn't really show much fire as a player at all prior to last season. Of course he got more from Montreal after having a very consistent season, and quite honestly showing me something I had never seen from him before, including a physical element. However, that dollar value although less than what he ended up signing for, wasn't deemed acceptable by the Oilers and MacT. They told him if that was the dollar value he wanted that they were only comfortable giving it to him on a 2 year term, not the term he was looking for.

In the mean time, the Oilers overpaid Nikitin as a UFA, Petry sulked, signed a 1 year deal and didn't have any intention of sticking around. He did exactly what MacT wanted, and proved that he was worth the deal he was asking for to begin with(and probably more). The Oilers offered him a long-term deal at the deadline, which they were pretty sure he would turn down because his decision had been made.

The Oilers have done much the same thing with Schultz this year. He is on a show me contract, and there is no doubt in my mind that if he proves his worth the Oilers will be more than happy to pay him on a longer term contract, but they are putting themselves in a position that they aren't going to pay a defender to be something they haven't proven they are in the past. It's pretty much the opposite of what they have done with the forwards, probably because these defenders are not as high profile as they were.

The outcome of the whole thing was bad for the Oilers as they could use a Petry. It's also bad because MacT or more likely Scott Howson overvalued Nikitin and then overpaid and he still has a year on his deal. However, the people here hated MacT and have the blinders on to much of this situation and what is more than likely reality because of it. Why no hate for Chiarelli for signing Schultz to a long term deal? Same situation as Petry. Hasn't proven anything at this point. ( I will concede that Petry is and was the better defender at the time, but certainly no more consistent, and the situations are pretty much identical).

I don't care what your personal opinions are on either player or either GM, but I personally think the only real mistake was signing Nikitin. The fact that Petry used that to make his decision to leave town is on him, not MacT and not the Oilers.

Lots of people here are quite vocal about forcing guys to earn there spots and letting players like Nurse/Drasaitl develop, yet many of these same people are quite vocal about throwing contracts at similar players that they haven't yet earned.

I'm fine if you don't like a player, coach, GM, etc. This is a message board, go ahead and voice it. All I ask is that you don't use personal bias against those people to make everything they do be a bad thing. Teddy Purcell isn't our best player, but there are certainly things he does well. Scrivens wasn't the best goalie, but he had many good nights here and before he was here. MacT was not the best GM, but he did several good things while he was here. Chiarelli is a good GM, but he will make some bad moves. Keep an open mind when these things happen and base them on the moves/plays/games themselves, rather than your biases against the people making them.

There is a big difference between Petry and Schultz which seems to be forgotten. Petry after signing the 1-year deal was scheduled to become a UFA. After Schultz's 1-year deal is over is still a RFA. Big difference.

 

[Jet Walters]

Maybe we trade Fayne + for L Schenn and Provorov

That would have to be a very big plus, like Draisaitl or Yak and another piece. Honestly the last thing the Oilers need is an 18 year old defenseman, no matter how high his ceiling is. A top pairing veteran between 28-30 years old would help out a lot more in the next three years as Chiarelli tries to take advantage of a superstar on his entry level deal.

 

[Eytinge]

To add to baseless speculation, there was a rumor that the Flyers were sniffing around Byfuglien. Maybe a 3 way trade between us, Flyers and the Jets?

I can't remember the last time I saw a 3 way deal in the NHL. They almost never happen.

 

[oil Leaks]

I'd do Fayne for Gudas +

 

[Titsuple]

I really don't see how the Oilers and Flyers would be good trading partners. Flyers d-core is arguably worse than ours and the other thing they need is an LW and we can't give one away unless we're getting a good one back. They have good D prospects but with our young defense it doesn't make any sense to bring in yet another young, unproven guy.



What's the point? There's no rush bringing either Nurse or Drai up. Let them play and develop in the minors until they are ready for full-time NHL duty.

The point is this, Nurse is better than Fayne right now! So more wins and he grows with the team. Nurse might be our 4th best Dman right now.

 

[oobga]

Luke Schenn is god awful. Easy pass.

Yeah, he's a super low hockey IQ player. We don't need any more of that here.