Proposal: Trade Rumors and Proposals: If Someone From the Core Gets Dealt Who Should it Be?

[PKSpecialist]

Ference, Purcell and a 2nd for Chara - make it happen.

Because running out a defence of

Krug Seidenberg
Morrow McQuaid
Ference Miller

is the message that Sweeney/Neely want to send to their fans and players. Hey guys, we're mailing it in. Hope your alright with a complete rebuild Krejci/Bergeron/Rask cus we are 5 years away from having a single defenseman who can contribute to our team......

Think of trades from the other teams point of view. Boston may in fact be looking to deal Chara, but there is no way they don't look for a solid defensive prospect in return because outside of Morrow, they don't have a legit top four contender in their organization who is 20 years old(Carlo and Zboril are 18).
They already traded Hamilton without getting a legit defender in return, no way they do it again.

Let me play Boston GM for a minute and I will tell you that the Oilers are probably the last team that Boston is looking to deal Chara to because he is of more value to a team that is a legit contender because he may be what gets them over the top. He probably doesn't even get us into the playoffs. Think of a Dallas. Short on D, strong up front, and with a Chara become a legitimate contender in the West. They would also likely move a Julius Honka or maybe even Jamie Oleksiak to get a deal done. The Oilers won't move a Klefbom or Nurse because they are still looking to the future and those players are going to be key contributors for them.

Chara to the Oilers is just not a good fit PERIOD

 

[Jamie]

Because running out a defence of

Krug Seidenberg
Morrow McQuaid
Ference Miller

is the message that Sweeney/Neely want to send to their fans and players. Hey guys, we're mailing it in. Hope your alright with a complete rebuild Krejci/Bergeron/Rask cus we are 5 years away from having a single defenseman who can contribute to our team......

Think of trades from the other teams point of view. Boston may in fact be looking to deal Chara, but there is no way they don't look for a solid defensive prospect in return because outside of Morrow, they don't have a legit top four contender in their organization who is 20 years old(Carlo and Zboril are 18).
They already traded Hamilton without getting a legit defender in return, no way they do it again.

Let me play Boston GM for a minute and I will tell you that the Oilers are probably the last team that Boston is looking to deal Chara to because he is of more value to a team that is a legit contender because he may be what gets them over the top. He probably doesn't even get us into the playoffs. Think of a Dallas. Short on D, strong up front, and with a Chara become a legitimate contender in the West. They would also likely move a Julius Honka or maybe even Jamie Oleksiak to get a deal done. The Oilers won't move a Klefbom or Nurse because they are still looking to the future and those players are going to be key contributors for them.

Chara to the Oilers is just not a good fit PERIOD

I think the part you're missing is that Chara does not have good value with his contract. Most teams in the league will not be interested. They are unlikely to acquire a good young dman in a trade. I'm sure the Oilers could include Davidson if they had to as well. I don't think Zdeno would require a good anything. A 2nd is likely the best return they can get and the two players might even be able to help their roster. And because that 2nd is likely the best return they could garner, it is something that could potentially happen. I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss the idea.

 

[Ogopogo*]

I think the plan will be to deal RNH for a d-man this off season or the following one. It makes sense if you consider McDavid and Draisaitl to be long-term fixtures on the team and RNH being an overpriced 2nd line center by next season (if not sooner).

I think the plan is to have Nurse, Reinhart, Klefbom and a new player - as a core young top 4 in the near future. I'd be targeting guys like Adam Larsson and Seth Jones. Nashville and NJ could both use a C like RNH.

Could you get Adam Henrique and Adam Larsson for RNH and Yakupov?

Draisaitl hasn't proven that he can play worth a **** in the NHL. Before we unload a legit NHLer in RNH, we should see if his replacement can even make it in the league.

 

[PKSpecialist]

I think the part you're missing is that Chara does not have good value with his contract. Most teams in the league will not be interested. They are unlikely to acquire a good young dman in a trade. I'm sure the Oilers could include Davidson if they had to as well. I don't think Zdeno would require a good anything. A 2nd is likely the best return they can get and the two players might even be able to help their roster. And because that 2nd is likely the best return they could garner, it is something that could potentially happen. I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss the idea.

I disagree about his contract. It's not great given that he may have lost a step or two, but at the very least we are talking about a very good number 3 defenseman, and you will have trouble arguing with me that he isn't a top pairing guy still. Put him on a team with another good defender or two and ask him to play a few less minutes, and I think the value you get out of his minutes will be well worth it.

If he isn't a top pairing guy anymore at 38 years old and two years left on his deal after this one, then why would we even show interest? We don't need 38 year old defenders on the decline with term remaining on a bad contract who can't play top pairing. If he is still a top pairing defender, then his 6.9 million per isn't a bad contract and he has value in a trade for at the very least a solid defensive prospect.

 

[Paralyzer008]

Asked Petry about 1-year deal that got him to UFA at 27, said he wanted to discuss long term with EDM, they wouldn't go more than 2 years

per Arpon Basu

 

[BoldNewLettuce]

#that eberle commercial.

 

[rockinghockey]

Any dman we pick up has to shoot right unless it is a legit 1D which won't be moved

 

[Jumptheshark]

per Arpon Basu

this goes back to what was talked about right after he signed and we signed the guy on the farm.. Petry wanted to stay--but Oiler did not want to dance and kept low balling him and signing was slap in the fact to Petry who the oilers were reportedly offering less money to---this did my head in then and still does. Petry did everything this organization asked him to do and it was not good enough. I find it frustrating. For me one reason why Mact is no longer GM (one reason) is the handling of the Petry negotiations and how badly that turned out

 

[PKSpecialist]

this goes back to what was talked about right after he signed and we signed the guy on the farm.. Petry wanted to stay--but Oiler did not want to dance and kept low balling him and signing was slap in the fact to Petry who the oilers were reportedly offering less money to---this did my head in then and still does. Petry did everything this organization asked him to do and it was not good enough. I find it frustrating. For me one reason why Mact is no longer GM (one reason) is the handling of the Petry negotiations and how badly that turned out

Its funny how everyone sees the same thing differently depending on their slant.

The way I remember it(and the more likely scenario based on everything hockey business related that I have ever heard/read/seen) is that Petry wanted a long term deal worth a fairly high dollar value compared to the level of play he had shown. MacT and the Oilers told him that if he wanted that dollar value he would have to take less term. Petry wouldn't accept that, so they settled on the one year show me contract. I have no doubt that if Petry would have accepted a five year offer at the deadline from the Oilers that MacT would have been happy to pay because for the first time in his career, Petry was showing what he was capable of, and consistently. Unfortunately, I think we all know now that Petry was pretty determined to continue his career elsewhere.

Add: Certainly in the end, and using hindsight, I bet MacT would have given him the deal he asked for before last season, but would a player like Petry have become the player he is today if he'd have signed that deal? He seemed extra motivated last year and that was something that I hadn't seen in him as a player prior to taht.

 

[McFlyingV]

Obviously I would love to still have petry on the team, but if trading him away got us McDavid and Talbot (who to me looks like a legitimate starter from what I saw last year and to start this year) then so be it I take that a million times out of a million. Sekera probably isn't as well suited for the west as petry was, but I still think he will be a solid #3 for us once he settles in and simplifies his game.

 

[Bryanbryoil]

per Arpon Basu

Exactly what I said and people were sure that I was wrong. MacT ladies and gentlemen in all his glory

 

[McOilbleeder]

https://twitter.com/SportsnetSpec/status/655575026754678785

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St. Louis Blues GM Doug Armstrong in the press box, scouting Flames-Oilers. Hmmm...

 

[oil Leaks]

One of Schultz or Fayne has to go. I would think Fayne has more value.

 

[Arpeggio]

One of Schultz or Fayne has to go. I would think Fayne has more value.

Not a chance. Schultz has been good this year as well.

 

[Raoul Duke]

Its funny how everyone sees the same thing differently depending on their slant.

The way I remember it(and the more likely scenario based on everything hockey business related that I have ever heard/read/seen) is that Petry wanted a long term deal worth a fairly high dollar value compared to the level of play he had shown. MacT and the Oilers told him that if he wanted that dollar value he would have to take less term. Petry wouldn't accept that, so they settled on the one year show me contract. I have no doubt that if Petry would have accepted a five year offer at the deadline from the Oilers that MacT would have been happy to pay because for the first time in his career, Petry was showing what he was capable of, and consistently. Unfortunately, I think we all know now that Petry was pretty determined to continue his career elsewhere.

Except it was pretty widely reported that the oilers hadn't even made an offer until the last few days before the deadline and that offer only happened after it became public knowledge that no offer had been made.

 

[Soundwave]

Not a chance. Schultz has been good this year as well.

Neither has been great, I think we're just so used to Schultz playing absolutely terrible that when he plays OK for a stretch we think he's great.

Schultz and Fayne are too soft for the make up of this team.

We need a big point shot badly too, Schultz can't bring that. Replace Schultz with a slightly better d-man with a high end point shot and replace Fayne with someone who's more physical ... and this actually would probably be close to a playoff team.

 

[oil Leaks]

Neither has been great, I think we're just so used to Schultz playing absolutely terrible that when he plays OK for a stretch we think he's great.

Schultz and Fayne are too soft for the make up of this team.

We need a big point shot badly too, Schultz can't bring that. Replace Schultz with a slightly better d-man with a high end point shot and replace Fayne with someone who's more physical ... and this actually would probably be close to a playoff team.

Exactly my thoughts. I think the only realistic option for RD is Dustin Byfuglien. In a dream world, I would love to somehow acquire Brett Burns.

 

[Mcnofool6110]

EDM
Fayne, Purcell, prospect
CBJ
Bourque and Savard

Because they're super high on Purcell?

 

[DerpMorg]

https://twitter.com/SportsnetSpec/status/655575026754678785

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St. Louis Blues GM Doug Armstrong in the press box, scouting Flames-Oilers. Hmmm...

Pietrangelo for all of our scrubs. Make it happen, Chia.

*GM NHL16 OVERRIDE MODE*

 

[frag2]

Its funny how everyone sees the same thing differently depending on their slant.

The way I remember it(and the more likely scenario based on everything hockey business related that I have ever heard/read/seen) is that Petry wanted a long term deal worth a fairly high dollar value compared to the level of play he had shown. MacT and the Oilers told him that if he wanted that dollar value he would have to take less term. Petry wouldn't accept that, so they settled on the one year show me contract. I have no doubt that if Petry would have accepted a five year offer at the deadline from the Oilers that MacT would have been happy to pay because for the first time in his career, Petry was showing what he was capable of, and consistently. Unfortunately, I think we all know now that Petry was pretty determined to continue his career elsewhere.

Add: Certainly in the end, and using hindsight, I bet MacT would have given him the deal he asked for before last season, but would a player like Petry have become the player he is today if he'd have signed that deal? He seemed extra motivated last year and that was something that I hadn't seen in him as a player prior to taht.

Petry is just saying this after the fact. He could always change the story to suit his agenda.

From what I was told from someone connected to the organization, Petry had no intention to stick around. Felt his "perceived" value was lowered by the Oilers.

Either way, its the past now.

 

[McAsuno]

Another reason to hate the OBC.

 

[Raoul Duke]

Petry is just saying this after the fact. He could always change the story to suit his agenda.

From what I was told from someone connected to the organization, Petry had no intention to stick around. Felt his "perceived" value was lowered by the Oilers.

Either way, its the past now.

What would that agenda be?
How would these comments benefit him?
He's gone, why would he care?

I find it easier to believe that management screwed it up.
They kind of had a history of poor judgement.

 

[frag2]

What would that agenda be?
How would these comments benefit him?
He's gone, why would he care?

I find it easier to believe that management screwed it up.
They kind of had a history of poor judgement.

Why would he need to bring this up if he didn't care?

It's pretty obvious he didn't like his time here nearing the end of the last contract. He wanted out and that's that.

Him bringing it up now is just stupid on his part since nobody cares.

FTR, I'm not absolving MacT and his loony bin of idiots but Petry was just as much at fault as MacT. Petry didn't want to stay and MacT underestimated his value to the team

 

[Soundwave]

EDM
Fayne, Purcell, prospect
CBJ
Bourque and Savard

Because they're super high on Purcell?

I'd do it. Bourque is a better fit here than Purcell, at least he occasionally can play physical. Purcell for Bourque alone I'd do. The more meat & potatoes/grit we can get around our skilled core, the more success we will have IMO, even if you have to build that brick by brick.

 

[oil Leaks]

EDM
Fayne, Purcell, prospect
CBJ
Bourque and Savard

Because they're super high on Purcell?

Doubt CBJ trades Savard