Proposal: Trade Rumors and Proposals: If Someone From the Core Gets Dealt Who Should it Be?

[Hemsky4PM]

I think the plan will be to deal RNH for a d-man this off season or the following one. It makes sense if you consider McDavid and Draisaitl to be long-term fixtures on the team and RNH being an overpriced 2nd line center by next season (if not sooner).

I think the plan is to have Nurse, Reinhart, Klefbom and a new player - as a core young top 4 in the near future. I'd be targeting guys like Adam Larsson and Seth Jones. Nashville and NJ could both use a C like RNH.

Could you get Adam Henrique and Adam Larsson for RNH and Yakupov?

 

[frag2]

I think the plan will be to deal RNH for a d-man this off season or the following one. It makes sense if you consider McDavid and Draisaitl to be long-term fixtures on the team and RNH being an overpriced 2nd line center by next season (if not sooner).

I think the plan is to have Nurse, Reinhart, Klefbom and a new player - as a core young top 4 in the near future. I'd be targeting guys like Adam Larsson and Seth Jones. Nashville and NJ could both use a C like RNH.

Could you get Adam Henrique and Adam Larsson for RNH and Yakupov?

Could you get? Probably not. Would I be ok with it? Absolutely.

I think fans are always scared if we let them go, it'll be like another Dubnyk situation [or worse, Calgary/MSL situation] where they prosper elsewhere. I think the fanbase needs to get used to the fact that not every highly touted prospect the Oil draft will actually be successful

 

[rasarhdasd]

No way I'd do RNH for Larsson.

 

[Young Lions*]

I think the plan will be to deal RNH for a d-man this off season or the following one. It makes sense if you consider McDavid and Draisaitl to be long-term fixtures on the team and RNH being an overpriced 2nd line center by next season (if not sooner).

I think the plan is to have Nurse, Reinhart, Klefbom and a new player - as a core young top 4 in the near future. I'd be targeting guys like Adam Larsson and Seth Jones. Nashville and NJ could both use a C like RNH.

Could you get Adam Henrique and Adam Larsson for RNH and Yakupov?

There's a lot that wrong here, but i'll focus on the idea of having a top 4 D and top 2 C with a collective NHL experience of less than 400 games. That's nuts. Cramming young players into key positions before they are ready is partly why the oilers are where they are. You can't have that much inexperience in key positions like that and expect to succeed.

And even if it was a good idea, there's no way NJD does that.

 

[Young Lions*]

Oilers should make an offer to Visnovsky.

 

[HeavyHitter99]

So, we are still desperate for a number one dman. At this time in the season and you're struggling, what other teams are going to be looking to trade? Other teams struggling. Here's how I would look at analyzing trade options as Oilers management.

I would suggest our most likely trade partner at this time would be our old friends in Columbus. Anaheim, NJ and LA would be the next likeliest options, IMO, based on where those teams probably see themselves.

What do those teams have that we would want?

From Columbus: Hmm, looking at their roster, I see why they haven't won. There defense is worse than ours. Jack Johnson, or perhaps Fedor Tyutin could be of interest. Tyutin would probably come reasonably cheap. Johnson probably less so. Let's see what else might be out there.

From Anaheim: Cam Fowler is off to a poor start for the Ducks (really, they all are poor stats at this time). Personally, any of Fowler, Lindholm or Vatanen would be great adds. Bieksa too, but I can't see that as an option. Lindholm would be tough to get, but worth asking about, but likely a big no there, unless you added someone very good. Leaving Fowler and Vatanen as potentially the easiest options.

To Anaheim: They have things that we might want, do we have things they might want? They probably would like some skill to try and ignite the offense. I'd try pushing Draisaitl for Lindholm here personally. Pretty fair value, helps both teams. Other options, perhaps... actually, that's the only trade I really see between these squads. We can't afford to trade much else IMO. Maybe Drai for Fowler + or Slepyshev + for Vatanen as options.

From New Jersey:Larsson would cost RNH or Hall I'd imagine - not interested. Greene is their captain, don't see them moving him. Jon Merril would be of interest.

To New Jersey: Not much we can offer them I don't think with similar value. Maybe, again, Slepyshev +.

From LA: Well, any change to grab Doughty? Probably not. They do have good defensive depth and either of Martinez or Muzzin would be nice upgrades.

To LA: As much as I'd hate to see Hall or Nuge go, I'd offer either of them for Doughty. That said, I don't think there's a chance LA says yes, even with us adding so that won't happen. Unfortunately, I would see only our top forwards being of interest to LA.


In conclusion, I would look to trade Draisaitl for Lindholm and I think that is something that could work for both sides, particularly if Anaheim sees another loss. They need to try and turn things around and sliding Drai to play with some of their big vets up front could be a good fit. As a backup, I'd look at something for Fowler or Vatanen.


If could make that trade happen, defense looks much better:

Sekera-Lindholm
Klefbom-Schultz
Rienhart-Gryba

Jack Johnson is terrible defensively and would get eaten alive here from the media and the pressure. Tyutin is a decent defensive dman but doesn't exactly fill our need for top 2 dmen. He would definitely bring experience and steadiness to our back end though.

Ask Ducks fans what they think of trading Fowler (arguably their #1 dman) for a prospect? Then you even add a plus on their side, that's brutal for them. Also Fowler, although he has improved, is not good defensively. If he got put on a team like ours he too would be exposed and look like a slightly better Schultz. If Slepy was part of a deal for Vatanen then it would be Slep+++ for him. Great young offensive dman.

Draisaitl straight up for Lindholm doesn't come close to getting it done. A highly drafted 2012 dman who at 21 is already a top pair dman on one of the best teams in the league for a highly drafted 2013 prospect who hasn't made the Oilers yet. Also why is one of the top teams in the league trading one of, if not their best dmen? Makes no sense.

Martinez and Muzzin are decent dmen but don't solve our backend problems. We probably shouldn't even mention Doughty. Those 2 would be welcome additions but aren't good enough to lead a terrible team.

 

[joestevens29]

Oilers should make an offer to Visnovsky.

This would be something to start with.

 

[Paralyzer008]

RNH has been our best forward this year and there are proposals to deal him?

Geez, guess no one likes depth in Edmonton.

 

[Board Gordon]

I miss healthy Ryan Whitney. I guess that's not really relevant in this thread but like damn.

IMO though trading Nurse+ or Yak+ for Chara will set this club even further back. Just not worth it. Chara is still decent I guess but at his age and contract status it's just not worth it.

 

[McOilbleeder]

I doubt we trade the core right way. Rightfully or wrongfully we're going to try make it work before that. That's my belief anyway. Chia will do everything in his power to make it work with the guys we have here before moving them.

Our 2016 1st however, is probably gonzo unless it's a top-3 pick. Outside of Matthews, Chtuhulu and whoever else, it's going to be traded for D help.

Weather it's for someone to take Fayne's spot or Schultz's spot (the two spots on D that can be changed), remains to be seen.

 

[Jamie]

Mccombo and HeavyMcHitter97, you're right, Drai for Lindholm would be a big no from the Ducks. Do you see a way of making something happen? My main point was to try and analyze the options, and to me this one has some merit to at least pursue. What do you suggest to make a trade with the Ducks acceptable to both sides for us adding a dman?

 

[KMart27]

McLellan needs to be given time to work with these players before any significant changes are made.

 

[McShogun99]

I miss healthy Ryan Whitney. I guess that's not really relevant in this thread but like damn.

IMO though trading Nurse+ or Yak+ for Chara will set this club even further back. Just not worth it. Chara is still decent I guess but at his age and contract status it's just not worth it.

Only thing I'd trade for Chara at this point is a cap dump like Ference and one of our mid tier prospects.

 

[McShogun99]

RNH has been our best forward this year and there are proposals to deal him?

Geez, guess no one likes depth in Edmonton.

Once the ELC of Mcdavid is up we will have to make a decision between RNH and Draisaitl. Only way that doesn't happen is if Draisaitl is signed to around 4 million for a few more years.

 

[SupremeTeam16]

I doubt we trade the core right way. Rightfully or wrongfully we're going to try make it work before that. That's my belief anyway. Chia will do everything in his power to make it work with the guys we have here before moving them.

Our 2016 1st however, is probably gonzo unless it's a top-3 pick. Outside of Matthews, Chtuhulu and whoever else, it's going to be traded for D help.

Weather it's for someone to take Fayne's spot or Schultz's spot (the two spots on D that can be changed), remains to be seen.

Realistically that pick is going to be in the 3-8 range, it will hold tremendous value and I hope they deal it for a very good defenseman. The one I see most likely is Shattenkirk.

Unfortunate though cause in that range there are some players that are exactly what we need, big and skilled. Chychrun, Puljujarvi, Laine, Tkachuk, Jones, Dubois, Gauthier.

 

[gqmixmaster]

We need 3 things:

A dman who can qb a pp, who is a threat to score from the point and isn't a defensive liability. (Like Pronger/Mironov/Ninimaa) - potentially could be Nurse to some extent. Schultz maybe but at this point I think we would be better of with Marc Andre Bergeron than him.

A forward who can carry the puck into and around the zone allowing our other players to setup in the zone (Like Hemsky or Weight). Probably going to be Mcdavid and to some extent RNH.

A forward who can bang in goals from in front of the net, screen, and create room going to the net - someone with size and grit but skilled enough to play in the top 6. (like Smyth) - I thought Pouliot maybe could be that guy and he is to some extent but really hasn't had any success at it. We have nobody in the system like this.

 

[Paralyzer008]

Once the ELC of Mcdavid is up we will have to make a decision between RNH and Draisaitl. Only way that doesn't happen is if Draisaitl is signed to around 4 million for a few more years.

Leon's offense won't be enough from the 3rd line spot to garner giant money.

That should allow us to keep him and RNH on for longer than people think.

If there's a guy with money on the chopping block first, it'd likely be Eberle because wingers can be found on the UFA market. Don't kill our C depth though.

McDavid, RNH, Draisaitl, Lander if we play our cards right will be this team's C's for 6 more years.

 

[PKSpecialist]

We need 3 things:

A dman who can qb a pp, who is a threat to score from the point and isn't a defensive liability. (Like Pronger/Mironov/Ninimaa) - potentially could be Nurse to some extent. Schultz maybe but at this point I think we would be better of with Marc Andre Bergeron than him.

A forward who can carry the puck into and around the zone allowing our other players to setup in the zone (Like Hemsky or Weight). Probably going to be Mcdavid and to some extent RNH.

A forward who can bang in goals from in front of the net, screen, and create room going to the net - someone with size and grit but skilled enough to play in the top 6. (like Smyth) - I thought Pouliot maybe could be that guy and he is to some extent but really hasn't had any success at it. We have nobody in the system like this.

And we need all of that without giving up anything that we already have so as not to create another hole......tall order. And again, this is why patience is required. You can't get anything for nothing, and no team is interested in trading these types of pieces at this point in the season for future considerations, ie a draft pick or prospect not yet ready to play.

 

[Jumptheshark]

I miss healthy Ryan Whitney. I guess that's not really relevant in this thread but like damn.

IMO though trading Nurse+ or Yak+ for Chara will set this club even further back. Just not worth it. Chara is still decent I guess but at his age and contract status it's just not worth it.

Chara is not the Chara that he once was

 

[McCombo]

Mccombo and HeavyMcHitter97, you're right, Drai for Lindholm would be a big no from the Ducks. Do you see a way of making something happen? My main point was to try and analyze the options, and to me this one has some merit to at least pursue. What do you suggest to make a trade with the Ducks acceptable to both sides for us adding a dman?

I cant see Anaheim moving Lindholm or Fowler. They just let Beauchemin walk and they are win now mode. And Oilers have Justin Schultz who is sama type of player than Vatanen. So no really need for him.

I am still hoping that Chia can get Seth Jones from Nashville.

 

[SupremeTeam16]

We need 3 things:

A dman who can qb a pp, who is a threat to score from the point and isn't a defensive liability. (Like Pronger/Mironov/Ninimaa) - potentially could be Nurse to some extent. Schultz maybe but at this point I think we would be better of with Marc Andre Bergeron than him.

A forward who can carry the puck into and around the zone allowing our other players to setup in the zone (Like Hemsky or Weight). Probably going to be Mcdavid and to some extent RNH.

A forward who can bang in goals from in front of the net, screen, and create room going to the net - someone with size and grit but skilled enough to play in the top 6. (like Smyth) - I thought Pouliot maybe could be that guy and he is to some extent but really hasn't had any success at it. We have nobody in the system like this.

That's pretty much my list too. Players I'd like to target in the off season would include:

Shattenkirk - Think he will be expendable in STL this off season.

Loui Eriksson - UFA 30 but still has some game left.

Troy Brouwer - UFA 30 but he loves to bang bodies, work the boards/net front and can shoot the puck.

 

[Up the Irons]

I doubt we trade the core right way. Rightfully or wrongfully we're going to try make it work before that. That's my belief anyway. Chia will do everything in his power to make it work with the guys we have here before moving them.

Our 2016 1st however, is probably gonzo unless it's a top-3 pick. Outside of Matthews, Chtuhulu and whoever else, it's going to be traded for D help.

Weather it's for someone to take Fayne's spot or Schultz's spot (the two spots on D that can be changed), remains to be seen.

I don't know about that. How long will he and TMac need to see these guys before they are convinced that RNH is a solid, but average 2C, Yak is an average 2nd line winger, and Schultz is an average 4 or 5 D? none of these are going to get much better offensively. Well, maybe RNH. Probably give him the whole year. but Yak and Schultz? any day they could be gone.

 

[BoldNewLettuce]

Oilers should make an offer to Visnovsky.

I'd like.to see that. Or something, too.

It seems like seeing a lot of guys going through waivers might mean chia is leaving contract spots open for trade room.

 

[Faelko]

Chara is not the Chara that he once was

I agree but he'd still be our best D by a country mile right now. That said I wouldn't give up anything more than a prospect, pick and a vet on an expiring contract.

 

[Jamie]

Ference, Purcell and a 2nd for Chara - make it happen.