Proposal: Trade Rumors and Proposals: If Someone From the Core Gets Dealt Who Should it Be?

[Young Lions*]

For a trade to happen. Two GMs have to agree. All it takes is for one GM to like Hall and the other GM to like the other piece coming back. It's not luck. No probability involved if you're saying it's a fluke.

OK, how about "outlier" if the term fluke doesn't float your boat. The bottom line is the same. GMs don't make these kinds of deals in the cap world. You're argument that they could if they wanted to is correct on its face, but the fact that they never do should tell you something.

If PC went into the draft and made Hall available, Sweeney would have come running to him with a package of Hamilton and then some. Sweeney had his mind set on trading Hamilton prior to the draft. It's just a matter of what he wanted.

And based on both the actual return for Hamilton and the package Boston reportedly asked for from Edmonton (the three picks plus Nurse), Hall for Hamilton would have been an disgusting overpay by Edmonton. If you want to pretend the Hamilton trade reflects the true cost league wide of young D with top four potential, you must also acknowledge that trading Hall is not a precondition for acquiring such a player.

 

[Canovin]

And not one of those guys is the type of player Buffalo was looking for.

So a last placed team doesn't need a #1LW, #1RW, #1C, #4LHD

 

[Up the Irons]

That's nice and all but the price for Jones will be Ryan Nugent Hopkins. I'd still probably consider doing it, but I'd wait until the deadline or so.

How about some kind of package involving Draisaitl? Our 2nd round pick (probably mid 30s, maybe even 32-33). Or Drai and Yak for Jones + ? Sounds like lots but Yak is a 2nd line winger at best. We have to forget about his draft position. He is what he is and that's a Hemky, Samsonov, Sekora.

Depends what the plus is, but there are the makings for a deal there.

 

[Canovin]

OK, how about "outlier" if the term fluke doesn't float your boat. The bottom line is the same. GMs don't make these kinds of deals in the cap world. You're argument that they could if they wanted to is correct on its face, but the fact that they never do should tell you something.



And based on both the actual return for Hamilton and the package Boston reportedly asked for from Edmonton (the three picks plus Nurse), Hall for Hamilton would have been an disgusting overpay by Edmonton. If you want to pretend the Hamilton trade reflects the true cost league wide of young D with top four potential, you must also acknowledge that trading Hall is not a precondition for acquiring such a player.

Let's just agree to disagree. Your logic seems to be going in a loop.

Btw, you want a star-for-star trade. There's the Evander-Myers trade. Sure it's was a package but the main pieces were Evander and Myers.

 

[joestevens29]

So a last placed team doesn't need a #1LW, #1RW, #1C, #4LHD

Of course they need those, but Bogosian was a proven commodity that could play top pairing. Klefbom was a prospect which they have a ton of. Kane is exactly what this team needs and is a rarity in the league.

Barring a drastic over payment we weren't getting Myers.

 

[Faelko]

This place is hilarious.

"Should've drafted Ristolainen over Nurse."

"Should've drafted Eichel over McDavid."

It makes my head hurt actually. I immediately regretted clicking the link.

 

[McBooya42]

I wonder why Edmonton didnt trade down from the No.1 pick and score a bigger PF type player like Eichel.
They have enough smaller soft player as is... I think that style wise, Eichel makes more sense. He's looking pretty good at the NHL level already too. They might have been able to score a 2nd or 3rd round pick by trading down too.

Wut? So McDavid is a smaller, soft player? The kid is 6'1 and weighs 190 lbs...did you even see that hit(shove really) on Oduya?



Stick to banking...just a suggestion.

 

[Jeff Lebowski]

Wut? So McDavid is a smaller, soft player? The kid is 6'1 and weighs 190 lbs...did you even see that hit(shove really) on Oduya?



Stick to banking...just a suggestion.

He got away with one there. I love that he did it though.

 

[LTIR]

COL surrounded Duchene, Landeskog and McKinnon with Iginla and Tanguay.

We got Pouliot and Purcell ..

Where is the proven veteran leadership in the top 6?

COL adding Beauchmin was also great..

We seem to be stuck in "big picture" and always look past 35+ guys.. This team doesnt need a dougie friggin Hamilton to put them over the hill.. I would rather trade for an aging yet healthy Chara over Hamilton giving up the same. We have plenty bluechip high potential players.. Its time to get someone to show these players the ropes.

 

[duul]

COL surrounded Duchene, Landeskog and McKinnon with Iginla and Tanguay.

We got Pouliot and Purcell ..

Where is the proven veteran leadership in the top 6?

COL adding Beauchmin was also great..

We seem to be stuck in "big picture" and always look past 35+ guys.. This team doesnt need a dougie friggin Hamilton to put them over the hill.. I would rather trade for an aging yet healthy Chara over Hamilton giving up the same. We have plenty bluechip high potential players.. Its time to get someone to show these players the ropes.

Agreed.

Colorado, Dallas, and Edmonton are showing what elite forwards but garbage defence gets you. Pretty much nothing.

 

[gqmixmaster]

Agreed.

Colorado, Dallas, and Edmonton are showing what elite forwards but garbage defence gets you. Pretty much nothing.

Difference is Dallas actually has elite forwards while Edmonton and Colorado have elite forward potential lol

 

[McOilbleeder]

Mark Fayne + 2016 1st + D. Simpson
for
D Dustin Byfuglien (5.8M/yr for 7 years extension signed)

Why the Jets do it: They essentially have their cake and eat it too. I can't imagine them signing Byfuglien to the contract he wants with Myers and Trouba on the RHD already. Add in their plethora of young guys that'll need a contract, and it makes no sense. With Fayne they get a #4 RHD stay-at-home D-man to have depth and allow them to compete, at a fraction of the cost. The Oilers 1st will be between 10-15 worst case (For them) and 5-10 best case. Essentially they can either draft a quality young player. They also get Simpson who has nice potential as a LHD.

Why the Oilers do it: It's a poison pill that'll hurt down the line but helps us in the present. Byfuglien adds 3 things. A top-pairing puck moving D-man. Physical presence. Offensive catalyst. I'm certain him and Sekera will provide to be a good top-pairing, but with his shot on the PP, and his attitude (and playoff experience), he'll change the culture for the better around the dressing room. He'll also add bite. What we give up in term, we get back in annual value. Added bonus is he can be slotted in at forward if need be. We 'lose' this trade, but we win by getting an important component. I was following the Lucic value guide line with a 1st + player (Fayne/Jones) + prospect in terms of value.

Going into next season, our D:

Sekera-Byfuglien
Klef-Schultz
Nurse-Reinhart

 

[McDeathbyCheerios*]

Mark Fayne + 2016 1st + D. Simpson
for
D Dustin Byfuglien (5.8M/yr for 7 years extension signed)

Why the Jets do it: They essentially have their cake and eat it too. I can't imagine them signing Byfuglien to the contract he wants with Myers and Trouba on the RHD already. Add in their plethora of young guys that'll need a contract, and it makes no sense. With Fayne they get a #4 RHD stay-at-home D-man to have depth and allow them to compete, at a fraction of the cost. The Oilers 1st will be between 10-15 worst case (For them) and 5-10 best case. Essentially they can either draft a quality young player. They also get Simpson who has nice potential as a LHD.

Why the Oilers do it: It's a poison pill that'll hurt down the line but helps us in the present. Byfuglien adds 3 things. A top-pairing puck moving D-man. Physical presence. Offensive catalyst. I'm certain him and Sekera will provide to be a good top-pairing, but with his shot on the PP, and his attitude (and playoff experience), he'll change the culture for the better around the dressing room. He'll also add bite. What we give up in term, we get back in annual value. Added bonus is he can be slotted in at forward if need be. We 'lose' this trade, but we win by getting an important component. I was following the Lucic value guide line with a 1st + player (Fayne/Jones) + prospect in terms of value.

Going into next season, our D:

Sekera-Byfuglien
Klef-Schultz
Nurse - Reinhart

I don't move our first for Buff. He is a good player but too many questions marks in his game. I would do that deal with a 2nd but not the first.

 

[T-Funk]

I don't think we necessarily lose that trade . Those pieces aren't really that great.

 

[Topkatz]

I don't move our first for Buff. He is a good player but too many questions marks in his game. I would do that deal with a 2nd but not the first.

a #4 defenceman, a 2nd and dillion simpson is not going to get you buff.

i agree with the team right now giving up that 1st is too risky.

 

[Topkatz]

In other news Marincin has been getting horribad reviews in Toronto.

Doesn't look like he will ever make the NHL long-term anytime soon if at all.

 

[T-Funk]

a #4 defenceman, a 2nd and dillion simpson is not going to get you buff.

i agree with the team right now giving up that 1st is too risky.

Because God forbid we give up the chance at another first overall that can't turn around a team and fan base obsessed with high draft picks and losing.

 

[Topkatz]

Because God forbid we give up the chance at another first overall that can't turn around a team and fan base obsessed with high draft picks and losing.

I'm all for doing something with the pick, don't get me wrong. I have been advocating making a big move on D for months even if others didn't agree with me! I actually proposed Klefbom + 1st/2nd for Buff+ and got shot down hard back then.

Just Buff is a UFA and I feel there are other options that maybe we could get with it.

 

[joestevens29]

Mark Fayne + 2016 1st + D. Simpson
for
D Dustin Byfuglien (5.8M/yr for 7 years extension signed)

Why the Jets do it: They essentially have their cake and eat it too. I can't imagine them signing Byfuglien to the contract he wants with Myers and Trouba on the RHD already. Add in their plethora of young guys that'll need a contract, and it makes no sense. With Fayne they get a #4 RHD stay-at-home D-man to have depth and allow them to compete, at a fraction of the cost. The Oilers 1st will be between 10-15 worst case (For them) and 5-10 best case. Essentially they can either draft a quality young player. They also get Simpson who has nice potential as a LHD.

Why the Oilers do it: It's a poison pill that'll hurt down the line but helps us in the present. Byfuglien adds 3 things. A top-pairing puck moving D-man. Physical presence. Offensive catalyst. I'm certain him and Sekera will provide to be a good top-pairing, but with his shot on the PP, and his attitude (and playoff experience), he'll change the culture for the better around the dressing room. He'll also add bite. What we give up in term, we get back in annual value. Added bonus is he can be slotted in at forward if need be. We 'lose' this trade, but we win by getting an important component. I was following the Lucic value guide line with a 1st + player (Fayne/Jones) + prospect in terms of value.

Going into next season, our D:

Sekera-Byfuglien
Klef-Schultz
Nurse-Reinhart

I don't mind the trade, but Byfuglien is one of the last guys in the league that should be getting more than a 5 year deal.

 

[Young Lions*]

Mark Fayne + 2016 1st + D. Simpson
for
D Dustin Byfuglien (5.8M/yr for 7 years extension signed)

Why the Jets do it: They essentially have their cake and eat it too. I can't imagine them signing Byfuglien to the contract he wants with Myers and Trouba on the RHD already. Add in their plethora of young guys that'll need a contract, and it makes no sense. With Fayne they get a #4 RHD stay-at-home D-man to have depth and allow them to compete, at a fraction of the cost. The Oilers 1st will be between 10-15 worst case (For them) and 5-10 best case. Essentially they can either draft a quality young player. They also get Simpson who has nice potential as a LHD.

Why the Oilers do it: It's a poison pill that'll hurt down the line but helps us in the present. Byfuglien adds 3 things. A top-pairing puck moving D-man. Physical presence. Offensive catalyst. I'm certain him and Sekera will provide to be a good top-pairing, but with his shot on the PP, and his attitude (and playoff experience), he'll change the culture for the better around the dressing room. He'll also add bite. What we give up in term, we get back in annual value. Added bonus is he can be slotted in at forward if need be. We 'lose' this trade, but we win by getting an important component. I was following the Lucic value guide line with a 1st + player (Fayne/Jones) + prospect in terms of value.

Going into next season, our D:

Sekera-Byfuglien
Klef-Schultz
Nurse-Reinhart

Not a bad proposal, but I don't expect the Jets to deal Buff unless they are well and truly out of it at the TDL. They'll ride him into the playoffs and let him walk if they aren't interested in retaining him long term.

 

[McOilers97]

Because God forbid we give up the chance at another first overall that can't turn around a team and fan base obsessed with high draft picks and losing.

I can't disagree with this. As fans of this team, we should have enough first-hand experience to realize that more top 10 picks won't help much, if at all.

The team needs to do something that will help them break through. Whether Byfuglien is the right guy, I don't know, but it's at least the right idea.

 

[McDeathbyCheerios*]

I can't disagree with this. As fans of this team, we should have enough first-hand experience to realize that more top 10 picks won't help much, if at all.

The team needs to do something that will help them break through. Whether Byfuglien is the right guy, I don't know, but it's at least the right idea.

I'm down with moving the pick. Just not for Buff.

 

[McBooya42]

He got away with one there. I love that he did it though.

Agreed with everything you say here. It's good to show a bit of nasty, and will keep other players second guessing. Remember when Hall pulled out the elbow on Doughty? That sent a message, and you didn't really see Doughty trying to rub Hall out on the boards so much afterwards.

 

[Narnia]

For a trade to happen. Two GMs have to agree. All it takes is for one GM to like Hall and the other GM to like the other piece coming back. It's not luck. No probability involved if you're saying it's a fluke.

If PC went into the draft and made Hall available, Sweeney would have come running to him with a package of Hamilton and then some. Sweeney had his mind set on trading Hamilton prior to the draft. It's just a matter of what he wanted.

No he wouldn't. Sweeny and Neely had no intention of trading anything good to the Oilers because of PC. They would have traded their junk for Hall and that's a guarantee.

 

[Canovin]

No he wouldn't. Sweeny and Neely had no intention of trading anything good to the Oilers because of PC. They would have traded their junk for Hall and that's a guarantee.

Guaranteed? Doubt it. Neely was really high on Hall in his draft year.