Proposal: Trade Rumors and Proposals: If Someone From the Core Gets Dealt Who Should it Be?

[CupofOil]

Why trade Hall for parts? When you can signs parts through free agency? What we need is a top 4 D with #1 potential. Hall has that value.

Again, what team would part with a player like that for a winger? We're not talking an Ovechkin or Benn level winger here.

What predecent is there for a winger of Hall's caliber getting dealt for a top Dman especially a winger who comes with some question marks like Hall does?
These are some mythical returns that you're expecting.

Again, there is a precedent set already with the Nash and Kessel deals.

 

[Canovin]

Again, what team would part with a player like that for a winger? We're not talking an Ovechkin or Benn level winger here.

What predecent is there for a winger of Hall's caliber getting dealt for a top Dman especially a winger who comes with some question marks like Hall does?
These are some mythical returns that you're expecting.

Again, there is a precedent set already with the Nash and Kessel deals.

The mythical return would be something like Dougie Hamilton who went for a lot less than Hall.

 

[40oz]

Sometimes you gotta start cutting your losses.

Nuge and Hall at times seem completely disinterested in competing. We know they got talent but they pick and choose when to show it.

Yak has talent but is an idiot; I'll give him that he puts a lot of effort...even if the effort is doing something stupid

The only player that has been consistent has been Eberle - below average defensive instincts but excels offensively. The super skilled one dimensional player that literally is skilled in only one facet of the game

So much of that could be explained by poor management and lack of consistency with the coaches. I think sometimes we mistake tentativeness with lack of effort, guys fail to step up or take a man because they're hesitant and worried about making mistakes. If they stop getting contradictory coaching and can be consistently be taught to make the right choices we'll stop seeing these mistakes as often. The Oilers look so lost and "stupid" because the wrong choices they make are second nature to most NHLers, but the Oilers don't have that luxury, they've been forced to reinvent the wheel every season (or less).

 

[CupofOil]

The mythical return would be something like Dougie Hamilton who went for a lot less than Hall.

Yeah, an unprecedented deal that shocked the entire hockey world.
That is way more the exception than the norm.

 

[Canovin]

Yeah, an unprecedented deal that shocked the entire hockey world.
That is way more the exception than the norm.

You can expect exception in the hockey world. It happens all the time. So when you saw Hall can't return someone like Hamilton. That's a lie.

 

[Young Lions*]

The mythical return would be something like Dougie Hamilton who went for a lot less than Hall.

Which suggests we wouldn't need to trade Hall.

Only deal in the cap era that comes to mind that even comes close to what you're suggesting is the St. Louis/Colorado Shattenkirk+Stewart swap for Erik Johnson. One deal in a decade.

 

[Evilsports]

I don't think you can trade anyone from the core (whatever that means to you) right now and expect improvements. Maybe next off season or by the deadline. But at this point every Oiler who's been around for a few years is lost on the ice. Give McLellan time to work with these guys and see what they have.

Look at Yak for example. I mean, the kid turned 22 last week and has already had 5 NHL coaches, of course he looks lost out there. There's a reason that so many of these Oilers looked their best as rookies.

People need to realize there is no quick fix, this team needs to gain some consistency, maturity and grow together.

I agree.

 

[Young Lions*]

You can expect exception in the hockey world. It happens all the time. So when you saw Hall can't return someone like Hamilton. That's a lie.

I...I don't think you understand what "exception" means.

 

[Canovin]

I...I don't think you understand what "exception" means.

I understand it. But I think it's close-minded to say Hall will only return parts. It's not like Hall is worth less than a mid 1st+2nd

 

[McShogun99]

History has shown that almost every time a top defenceman is traded the return is garbage. Teams only trade them when they either can't afford them or the player wants a change of scenery.

 

[Halibut]

History has shown that almost every time a top defenceman is traded the return is garbage. Teams only trade them when they either can't afford them or the player wants a change of scenery.

And when that happens you have to be ready to make a deal unless you want your top rival snatching the guy for nothing.

 

[Up the Irons]

Again, what team would part with a player like that for a winger? We're not talking an Ovechkin or Benn level winger here.

What predecent is there for a winger of Hall's caliber getting dealt for a top Dman especially a winger who comes with some question marks like Hall does?
These are some mythical returns that you're expecting.

Again, there is a precedent set already with the Nash and Kessel deals.

I agree that u can't trade for a true #1 Dman like Doughty ot Keith, but u can trade for a Vlasic or Burns, or Shatttenkirk, Seth Jones. If San Jose is out of the playoffs again, or if St. Louis or Nashville think they need scoring, who knows.

Top 10 Dmen rarely move, but top 11 thru 30 do. Hall or Hall + can get u one of those.

 

[Raoul Duke]

Sometimes you gotta start cutting your losses.

Nuge and Hall at times seem completely disinterested in competing. We know they got talent but they pick and choose when to show it.

Yak has talent but is an idiot; I'll give him that he puts a lot of effort...even if the effort is doing something stupid

The only player that has been consistent has been Eberle - below average defensive instincts but excels offensively. The super skilled one dimensional player that literally is skilled in only one facet of the game

Last year was Hall's worst year since his rookie year and he was at .72 points per game. Just behind Eberle . He's been on pace for 20+ goals every year in the league.
That's pretty consistent. Hall and Eberle's contributions are both strictly offensive and both have been consistent with Hall hitting higher top end numbers.
If you don't think Eberle can look disinterested you must have missed the first half of last season.

 

[Young Lions*]

I understand it. But I think it's close-minded to say Hall will only return parts. It's not like Hall is worth less than a mid 1st+2nd

I don't know why you're ignoring the point here: the kind of star-for-star trades that you're talking about making don't happen in this league. They just don't. Wishing and hoping won't change that. Best you can hope for is a guy who might, maybe, perhaps, turn into the guy you need. Is that enough to make that gamble, especially if you don't have anyone to replace Hall?

 

[Raab]

What pisses me off isn't that we missed out on Hamilton which is understandable. It's that the idiot MacT didn't give up what was needed to get Myers! He literally would have been and awesome fit here as a RHD who can quarterback the PP. He also went after Nurse another LHD when Rasmus Ristolainen was on the board and would have filled a huge hole for us as a RHD in the system. MacT has ruined this "rebuild" with his inability to acquire any player of any significant value.

 

[Canovin]

I don't know why you're ignoring the point here: the kind of star-for-star trades that you're talking about making don't happen in this league. They just don't. Wishing and hoping won't change that. Best you can hope for is a guy who might, maybe, perhaps, turn into the guy you need. Is that enough to make that gamble, especially if you don't have anyone to replace Hall?

So what you're saying is Hall will never go for Hamilton because it's a star-for-star trade but a mid 1st+2nd for Hamilton will?

 

[oil Leaks]

What pisses me off isn't that we missed out on Hamilton which is understandable. It's that the idiot MacT didn't give up what was needed to get Myers! He literally would have been and awesome fit here as a RHD who can quarterback the PP. He also went after Nurse another LHD when Rasmus Ristolainen was on the board and would have filled a huge hole for us as a RHD in the system. MacT has ruined this "rebuild" with his inability to acquire any player of any significant value.

Nurse > Ristolainen

 

[Canovin]

Nurse > Ristolainen

It's Risto until proven otherwise. I wouldn't trade Nurse for Risto tho. He's exactly what he need.

 

[Young Lions*]

So what you're saying is Hall will never go for Hamilton because it's a star-for-star trade but a mid 1st+2nd for Hamilton will?

No. Listen close now. The Hamilton trade? It was a fluke, a one-off. There were circumstances at play (such as Hamilton's impending RFA status) that came together to make that happen that don't apply here. You're clinging to a fantasy if you think Hall will get traded for anything more than a collection of spare parts and maybes.

 

[LTIR]

Its pretty clear what this team needs and have needed for a while.
A legit top pairing RD in his prime.

We arent going anywhere with Schultz playing top minutes.

Missed the boat on Byfuglien it seems... We shouldve went after him at the draft instead of Reinhart. Wouldve cost a bit more but would have been well worth it.

No way Jets let him go now.

 

[Canovin]

No. Listen close now. The Hamilton trade? It was a fluke, a one-off. There were circumstances at play (such as Hamilton's impending RFA status) that came together to make that happen that don't apply here. You're clinging to a fantasy if you think Hall will get traded for anything more than a collection of spare parts and maybes.

For a trade to happen. Two GMs have to agree. All it takes is for one GM to like Hall and the other GM to like the other piece coming back. It's not luck. No probability involved if you're saying it's a fluke.

If PC went into the draft and made Hall available, Sweeney would have come running to him with a package of Hamilton and then some. Sweeney had his mind set on trading Hamilton prior to the draft. It's just a matter of what he wanted.

 

[joestevens29]

What pisses me off isn't that we missed out on Hamilton which is understandable. It's that the idiot MacT didn't give up what was needed to get Myers! He literally would have been and awesome fit here as a RHD who can quarterback the PP. He also went after Nurse another LHD when Rasmus Ristolainen was on the board and would have filled a huge hole for us as a RHD in the system. MacT has ruined this "rebuild" with his inability to acquire any player of any significant value.

Didn't realize we had an Evander Kane and Zach Bogosian to trade.

 

[Bankerguy]

I wonder why Edmonton didnt trade down from the No.1 pick and score a bigger PF type player like Eichel.
They have enough smaller soft player as is... I think that style wise, Eichel makes more sense. He's looking pretty good at the NHL level already too. They might have been able to score a 2nd or 3rd round pick by trading down too.

 

[Canovin]

Didn't realize we had an Evander Kane and Zach Bogosian to trade.

Oilers have Hall, RNH, Eberle, Yak, Klefbom, Nurse, Drai and one untouchable, McDavid.

Oilers can afford to make big trades. Win-win for both teams.

 

[joestevens29]

Oilers have Hall, RNH, Eberle, Yak, Klefbom, Nurse, Drai and one untouchable, McDavid.

Oilers can afford to make big trades. Win-win for both teams.

And not one of those guys is the type of player Buffalo was looking for.