Rumor: Trade Rumor Thread V: "Trade 40 Goal Scorer NBD" (3/8: Getzlaf re-signs)

[SnowblindNYR]

Thank you all for your kind replies and words of welcome. I figured Hagelin/Stepan were near-untouchable and likely out of our reach. Did hope that maybe Clowe and a RHD on a great contract might be enough to spark your interest (especially if you suspect having to choose one over the other when it comes time to re-sign them). I see now that my wishful thinking is probably too far off from what would pry one of those two from your hands. Adding depth guys like Galiardi to the above is clearly not the answer. You have a couple really good players there, I'd hold on to them to.

On the Gomez front, compared to our other bottom six options he fits right in: Absolutely no secondary scoring ability (except last night) and mostly filling time until our top lines are rested enough to get back on the ice. Some of our younger bottom sixers look like they will develop into pretty good fourth liners, couple maybe even serviceable third liners. With no forward depth in the A, after a few injuries, we are icing 31 year old rookie (career AHLers) to fill out our lines. So yes, Sharks have no forward depth to add to any offer.

Gomez is fun to watch, and absolutely is not the guy that will lead us deep into the play-offs. He has never had a real shot, but strange how far he has fallen. Low risk pick-up for us. He certainly makes us no worse. But we do need some blue-chip forwards in our system if we are ever to reach the promised land. Its why I covet your guys so much.

By the way, Pavelski is not untouchable to us. He is horrendously valuable Swiss-Army-Knife player in all situations. As a rookie user, I won't be starting any threads. But if you wanted Pavelski, your offer probably would need to start with Stepan and a B+ forward prospect or a good pick. Not saying that would interest you, but some overpayment would be needed.

I don't think either Stepan or Hagelin are untouchable. However, it would take a lot for me to trade them. Stepan has been our best center this year and is a guy that should be a 50 second line center in an 82 game season. Considering Richards' age and poor play and the question marks behind him, his value to us is higher than his actual value as a player. Hagelin is a unique player who fits perfectly with this team. He's been our second best forward, IMO this year. He's actually a guy that makes the players on his line better. Very unique player that adds something that few players add to a team.

 

[Barnaby]

I'd definitely be interested in Morrow. He's broken down over the last few years, but he's still a good grinding winger that is tough and has a scoring touch. He won't be putting up 30, but he could chip in 15 goals on the right line.

Ribeiro would not work with Torts here, IMO. Very skilled, but he's had problems with his coach and in the locker room before. He seems to have fit in well with the Capitals, and has actually been given an "A", though, so, I don't know, he might have turned the corner. He's producing quite well, he's top 10 in the league in points.



The Rangers aren't adding to Gaborik to acquire a downgrade.

Pavelski is not a downgrade... He scores less during the regular season, but is CLUTCH in the playoffs. He is younger, and can play center. He plays the way the Rangers play. He's the type of guy that the Rangers would try to resign, and I don't think Gaborik is coming back..

I'd do Gaborik for Pavelski in a heartbeat. SJ would not.

As for adding - minor/moderate pieces? Sure. Adding first round picks or our top few prospects, then no.

 

[Nolan11]

I don't think either Stepan or Hagelin are untouchable. However, it would take a lot for me to trade them. Stepan has been our best center this year and is a guy that should be a 50 second line center in an 82 game season. Considering Richards' age and poor play and the question marks behind him, his value to us is higher than his actual value as a player. Hagelin is a unique player who fits perfectly with this team. He's been our second best forward, IMO this year. He's actually a guy that makes the players on his line better. Very unique player that adds something that few players add to a team.

We would do Pavelski + Clowe + 1st for Hagelin + Stepan + a compliance buyout salary dump and would sign the papers before you realized the fleecing we suggested. Obviously never going to happen. Hagelin and Stepan are Couture's generation. They would make a really solid core that would rival Edmonton (well, when you include Niemi, Vlasic, Burns, Demers and Braun that is).

 

[Nolan11]

Pavelski is not a downgrade... He scores less during the regular season, but is CLUTCH in the playoffs. He is younger, and can play center. He plays the way the Rangers play. He's the type of guy that the Rangers would try to resign, and I don't think Gaborik is coming back..

I'd do Gaborik for Pavelski in a heartbeat. SJ would not.

As for adding - minor/moderate pieces? Sure. Adding first round picks or our top few prospects, then no.

You are correct, San Jose would not. Gaborik is just too expensive for us. We would have to jettison Boyle to fit Gaborik under next years cap. Even at 37, Boyle is still a star PP QB and is our only blue-line scoring threat this year (Burns injured at moment). Our fans hope to hold onto Boyle next year and then sign him at a discount while he is still productive (or find a massive over-payer that is on his ok-to-be-traded-to limited NTC list). Adding Gaborik would force us to move Boyle and lower the return we could command (as everyone would know what Barrel they had us over). I just can't see adding Gaborik to the Sharks mix in this cap-strapped world of ours.

 

[pld459666]

The playoffs proved that this team did not need Dubinsky to win. They went through an entire series without him, and they won that series. He also a non factor in the series prior, aside from the Girardi goal in game 7.

What the Rangers need is another solid LWer or center. A two-way player that is versatile.

That last sentence describes Dubi to a T.

also describes Fisher.

 

[NYGBleedBlueNYR]

Gabby is one of only a few players that play up to their high salary.

In a big market, with a coach who's style doesn't exactly embrace him.

He's produced w/o a star C.

Why are we even contemplating to get rid of this guy?

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

That last sentence describes Dubi to a T.

also describes Fisher.

Look, Dubinsky was and still is a solid player, but even at 25, he is still 'unsure' about the way he should be playing. Brenden Morrow knows his role, he knows he's a 3rd line grinder at this point. Dubinsky has times where he tries to play a finesse, playmaking style, and it just doesn't work.

Would love to acquire Fisher. Tough, RH centerman with some goal scoring ability,

 

[Vidic15*]

Would love to acquire Fisher. Tough, RH centerman with some goal scoring ability,

Would Fisher want to leave NSH? He's married to Carrie Underwood.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

Would Fisher want to leave NSH? He's married to Carrie Underwood.

His NMC doesn't kick in until the July 5th. So, he can be traded between now and the draft without his consent.

 

[Lion Hound]

Isn't Fisher more of a small town guy though? Though I saw something about that when he went to Nashville.

 

[Kershaw]

No way to Fisher. Broken down body from years of playing some of toughest minutes in NHL. He is close to being done IMO.

 

[Lion Hound]

I really felt the Rangers were looking at Clowe all season. My thinking on it was...Sather always looks to add a guy or two to add toughness. Always! And in the past he went after guys that certainly had reps as some of the tougher lads in the game. Simon, Orr, Brashear, Boogaard RIP etc. I think Torts, Sullivan and maybe more so Gordon has added thier influence that tough guys need to be able to play. Tors himself made comments in the past about this.

So this years squad is arguably the lightest in terms of toughness I can ever remember. Now, despite having an aging middleweight who is out due to injury the Rangers passed on opportunities to grab young tough guys like Kassian who was put on waiver by Minnnesota earlier in the season. I think the intention is to add a guy that can play more of a role for the team. Just have a gut feeling its Clowe they want.

To add...I don't think the B's have any intention in adding Clowe. Scouting SJ with his name linked to them to me is more a case of..."The Art of War" for GM's than actual interest in the Player himself. B's IMO are driving up the value by putting it out there that they have interest in him. For theBruins who already have the best "Hybrid" forward in the game in Lucic and the best "Hybrid" Defenseman in the game in Chara, plus a supporting cast of a guy like Horton who is more physical than any other players on say the Rangers top 6 and as physical as any player in every team in the Easts top 6 doesn't anyone else see Clowe to the B's as a move that just doesn't make any sense? Not to mention other like Thornton, Campbell, Ference etc...B's really need to get tougher? I don't buy it.

 

[MrAlmost]

No way to Fisher. Broken down body from years of playing some of toughest minutes in NHL. He is close to being done IMO.

Had to quote this because it is the same thing for Clowe. He is pretty slow and has been pretty quite both this year and last. I would not want him on our team. I like him and he was really great, but I feel like he is going to keep declining.

 

[NYR Viper]

Look, Dubinsky was and still is a solid player, but even at 25, he is still 'unsure' about the way he should be playing. Brenden Morrow knows his role, he knows he's a 3rd line grinder at this point. Dubinsky has times where he tries to play a finesse, playmaking style, and it just doesn't work.

Would love to acquire Fisher. Tough, RH centerman with some goal scoring ability,

You don't want Morrow. Clowe would be the better decision right now although if they add Clowe, Boyle has to go. Having Clowe, Boyle and Pyatt in the line-up is too many slow players.

 

[NYR Viper]

I really felt the Rangers were looking at Clowe all season. My thinking on it was...Sather always looks to add a guy or two to add toughness. Always! And in the past he went after guys that certainly had reps as some of the tougher lads in the game. Simon, Orr, Brashear, Boogaard RIP etc. I think Torts, Sullivan and maybe more so Gordon has added thier influence that tough guys need to be able to play. Tors himself made comments in the past about this.

So this years squad is arguably the lightest in terms of toughness I can ever remember. Now, despite having an aging middleweight who is out due to injury the Rangers passed on opportunities to grab young tough guys like Kassian who was put on waiver by Minnnesota earlier in the season. I think the intention is to add a guy that can play more of a role for the team. Just have a gut feeling its Clowe they want.

To add...I don't think the B's have any intention in adding Clowe. Scouting SJ with his name linked to them to me is more a case of..."The Art of War" for GM's than actual interest in the Player himself. B's IMO are driving up the value by putting it out there that they have interest in him. For theBruins who already have the best "Hybrid" forward in the game in Lucic and the best "Hybrid" Defenseman in the game in Chara, plus a supporting cast of a guy like Horton who is more physical than any other players on say the Rangers top 6 and as physical as any player in every team in the Easts top 6 doesn't anyone else see Clowe to the B's as a move that just doesn't make any sense? Not to mention other like Thornton, Campbell, Ference etc...B's really need to get tougher? I don't buy it.

Clowe would be great. He was hurt most of this season which is why his stats have suffered. They really need a speedy hard forecheck er for the 4th line to play with Halpern and Powe. Someone like Gregory Campbell would be great.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

You don't want Morrow. Clowe would be the better decision right now although if they add Clowe, Boyle has to go. Having Clowe, Boyle and Pyatt in the line-up is too many slow players.

Morrow seemed to start the season off poorly, but it seems he's been doing better as of late. I'll have to check out a few Stars games from this season.

 

[NYR Viper]

Morrow seemed to start the season off poorly, but it seems he's been doing better as of late. I'll have to check out a few Stars games from this season.

He is totally broken down. He is no longer effective at forechecking. Going the way of Drury

 

[RGY]

No to Clowe.

 

[NYR Viper]

No to Clowe.

Depending on the price as a UFA this offseason I would take a look as a 3rd line winger. Not at the deadline.

 

[RGY]

Depending on the price as a UFA this offseason I would take a look as a 3rd line winger. Not at the deadline.

I've been completely against trading for him. I don;t want to pay the sharks anything for a player that is on the wrong side of 30 and getting slower. Hurt/Banged up or not his stats have tanked this year. He has been much less effective. I'm watching the sharks/flames game right now. Not really visible.

As a free agent I'd consider him IF the price was right. We do not have a need for Clowe on this year's team.

 

[NYR Viper]

I've been completely against trading for him. I don;t want to pay the sharks anything for a player that is on the wrong side of 30 and getting slower. Hurt/Banged up or not his stats have tanked this year. He has been much less effective. I'm watching the sharks/flames game right now. Not really visible.

As a free agent I'd consider him IF the price was right. We do not have a need for Clowe on this year's team.

When he is on his game any team could use a Clowe. Hasn't been yet this season.

Like I said he would be a good addition in the off-season IF Boyle is gone. Good locker room guy, provides toughness on the 2nd or 3rd line, good playmaker, hard to play against.

 

[RGY]

When he is on his game any team could use a Clowe. Hasn't been yet this season.

Like I said he would be a good addition in the off-season IF Boyle is gone. Good locker room guy, provides toughness on the 2nd or 3rd line, good playmaker, hard to play against.

I'd only be interested if the price was good and by that I mean a steal of a contract. I'm not interested in Clowe's "jam" if he is going to ask for good money. I think he's paid too much right now as it is. I'd be looking to pay him less. It's March 6th. When is he gona be on his game?

 

[NYR Viper]

I'd only be interested if the price was good and by that I mean a steal of a contract. I'm not interested in Clowe's "jam" if he is going to ask for good money. I think he's paid too much right now as it is. I'd be looking to pay him less. It's March 6th. When is he gona be on his game?

When he gets healthy. 2-3 years @ ~3-3.5 million

 

[RGY]

Would love to have Korpikoski back.

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

man, I would love to get Perron, though thats just not realistic :/