Rumor: Trade Rumor Thread V: "Trade 40 Goal Scorer NBD" (3/8: Getzlaf re-signs)

[The Gloaming]

Since I had not heard about Francois Bouchard at all this year, turns out he went to AUSTRIA.

Yeah, not the KHL, or SEL, or SM-Liga.

Austria.

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

A-ha! You've cracked the code. The team that gets rid of Scott Gomez is met with immediate success. Gomez's trade value must be sky high — struggling teams would be lining up to get him just so they can waive him!

I call it the "Thank God That ******* Is Gone" theory

 

[Kwayry]

Or where you can declare a guy untouchable, and in the next sentence say you'd trade him for another guy.

Or where posters read what they want, regardless of what was actually posted.

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

Or where posters read what they want, regardless of what was actually posted.

Stepan and Hagelin are untouchable.........but we'd move one for Couture.

Id research untouchable if I were you.

 

[Ail]

Or where posters passive-aggressively attack each other even though they all want the same thing in the end.

Feel the love.

 

[Kwayry]

Stepan and Hagelin are untouchable.........but we'd move one for Couture.

Id research untouchable if I were you.

I would research value if I were you.

They are untouchable, but if you must know the value they hold for us, it would cost you Couture.

 

[Kokoschka]

Since I had not heard about Francois Bouchard at all this year, turns out he went to AUSTRIA.

Yeah, not the KHL, or SEL, or SM-Liga.

Austria.

FYI, Zagreb =/= Austria.
I'd even argue EBEL isn't an Austrian league anymore. And I think that's good.
Quality wise, it's not that far off the DEL too (doesn't compare to SEL or SM, though). But it definitely ain't no bush league.

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

I would research value if I were you.

Untouchable is a misnomer in sports. Anyone can be traded. Its a stupid word.

Its even wilder to label Stepan and Hagelin that.

I know what value means, and I know what untouchable means. I've never seen anyone use them in the same sentence like you.

 

[Kwayry]

Untouchable is a misnomer in sports. Anyone can be traded. Its a stupid word.

Its even wilder to label Stepan and Hagelin that.

I know what value means, and I know what untouchable means. I've never seen anyone use them in the same sentence like you.

The word "never" is abused.
The meaning of that post was crystal clear, except to you apparently.

 

[The Gloaming]

FYI, Zagreb =/= Austria.
I'd even argue EBEL isn't an Austrian league anymore. And I think that's good.
Quality wise, it's not that far off the DEL too (doesn't compare to SEL or SM, though). But it definitely ain't no bush league.

We traded an NHL player for him. Quite frankly, I don't care where he's playing if he's not playing in the NHL, or at least in the A. Very big trade blunder.

 

[Ail]

I really like the NSH proposals on the Trade forum for Gaborik, should they feel he has to be moved for cap, or play style reasons.

Fischer - Great 2/3 center, and with the center depth the Rangers have, would be an even better 3/4 center. This would allow them to move Boyle as well to somewhere like Chicago, who is actually looking for a Boyle-type depth C right now.

Richards
Stepan
Fischer
Miller

Ellis/Blum - Two solid young D prospects and either one would immediately make the bottom pairing not so bad to look at anymore. Three solid pairings that can be reliable.

McD-Girardi
Staal-DZ
Stralman/Hamrlik-Blum/Ellis

Stralman/Hamilrik/Gilroy/Eminger

1st - Take a mid-late first in a deep draft where the Rangers are without one.

NYR: Boyle

Chicago: Conditional 1st (Making WCF) or decent forward prospect?

 

[BarbaraAlphanse]

We need a Dubinsky type player to put us over the top.

 

[Tawnos]

Yeah let's bring Fisher to NY. Maybe they'll show Carrie Underwood on the broadcasts every now and then.

 

[BarbaraAlphanse]

Yeah let's bring Fisher to NY. Maybe they'll show Carrie Underwood on the broadcasts every now and then.

He'd actually be a good addition.

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

We need a Dubinsky type player to put us over the top.

What exactly is a Dubinsky type player. I ask because the biggest knock I had on Dubinksy was it seemed to me that Dubinsky had no idea what kind of player he is. And quite frankly, I don't either.

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

We need a Dubinsky type player to put us over the top.

We should trade Nash for him.

The middle of the lineup is rounding into a shape.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

We need a Dubinsky type player to put us over the top.

The playoffs proved that this team did not need Dubinsky to win. They went through an entire series without him, and they won that series. He also a non factor in the series prior, aside from the Girardi goal in game 7.

What the Rangers need is another solid LWer or center. A two-way player that is versatile.

 

[Nolan11]

On the subject of the sharks, I wonder how all those Scott Gomez for 3rd line center advocates are feeling right about now. Not only does he have 1 goal/3 points in 15 games, but San Jose's team performance has tanked since just about the moment they acquired him. The man is a stick of dynamite, and not in a good way.

.....meanwhile in Montreal.

Thank you all for your kind replies and words of welcome. I figured Hagelin/Stepan were near-untouchable and likely out of our reach. Did hope that maybe Clowe and a RHD on a great contract might be enough to spark your interest (especially if you suspect having to choose one over the other when it comes time to re-sign them). I see now that my wishful thinking is probably too far off from what would pry one of those two from your hands. Adding depth guys like Galiardi to the above is clearly not the answer. You have a couple really good players there, I'd hold on to them to.

On the Gomez front, compared to our other bottom six options he fits right in: Absolutely no secondary scoring ability (except last night) and mostly filling time until our top lines are rested enough to get back on the ice. Some of our younger bottom sixers look like they will develop into pretty good fourth liners, couple maybe even serviceable third liners. With no forward depth in the A, after a few injuries, we are icing 31 year old rookie (career AHLers) to fill out our lines. So yes, Sharks have no forward depth to add to any offer.

Gomez is fun to watch, and absolutely is not the guy that will lead us deep into the play-offs. He has never had a real shot, but strange how far he has fallen. Low risk pick-up for us. He certainly makes us no worse. But we do need some blue-chip forwards in our system if we are ever to reach the promised land. Its why I covet your guys so much.

By the way, Pavelski is not untouchable to us. He is horrendously valuable Swiss-Army-Knife player in all situations. As a rookie user, I won't be starting any threads. But if you wanted Pavelski, your offer probably would need to start with Stepan and a B+ forward prospect or a good pick. Not saying that would interest you, but some overpayment would be needed.

 

[Son of Steinbrenner]

The playoffs proved that this team did not need Dubinsky to win. They went through an entire series without him, and they won that series. He also a non factor in the series prior, aside from the Girardi goal in game 7.

What the Rangers need is another solid LWer or center. A two-way player that is versatile.

Brenden Morrow or Mike Ribero would both fit the Rangers.

 

[cd211]

Thank you all for your kind replies and words of welcome. I figured Hagelin/Stepan were near-untouchable and likely out of our reach. Did hope that maybe Clowe and a RHD on a great contract might be enough to spark your interest (especially if you suspect having to choose one over the other when it comes time to re-sign them). I see now that my wishful thinking is probably too far off from what would pry one of those two from your hands. Adding depth guys like Galiardi to the above is clearly not the answer. You have a couple really good players there, I'd hold on to them to.

On the Gomez front, compared to our other bottom six options he fits right in: Absolutely no secondary scoring ability (except last night) and mostly filling time until our top lines are rested enough to get back on the ice. Some of our younger bottom sixers look like they will develop into pretty good fourth liners, couple maybe even serviceable third liners. With no forward depth in the A, after a few injuries, we are icing 31 year old rookie (career AHLers) to fill out our lines. So yes, Sharks have no forward depth to add to any offer.

Gomez is fun to watch, and absolutely is not the guy that will lead us deep into the play-offs. He has never had a real shot, but strange how far he has fallen. Low risk pick-up for us. He certainly makes us no worse. But we do need some blue-chip forwards in our system if we are ever to reach the promised land. Its why I covet your guys so much.

By the way, Pavelski is not untouchable to us. He is horrendously valuable Swiss-Army-Knife player in all situations. As a rookie user, I won't be starting any threads. But if you wanted Pavelski, your offer probably would need to start with Stepan and a B+ forward prospect or a good pick. Not saying that would interest you, but some overpayment would be needed.

why don't you think Gaborik + for Pavs wouldn't work...

age wise pavs is 28, Gabs just turned 31, both have a year/2 years left on current contracts, besides stepan if we had to center it around gabs what or who would you give with him or think would make that deal?

Gab+ Fast/skjei +3rd(some kind of pick) for Pavs?

 

[NikC]

Dubinsky was and always will be a 3rd line grinder who can score. He never played consistently enough to be s true top 6 forward. He was thrust into this role as a ranger because of the dearth of top line talent.

Both Brandon and whoever mis-managed him, overestimated his worth in $$$ and in production. Its funny how he now finds himself on an expansion team that will overpay just to ice a decent lineup. He fits in well with players like Umberger who also overvalued his talents.

We need another consistent 15-20g scorer who can grind, check, and occasionally fight

 

[cd211]

Dubinsky was and always will be a 3rd line grinder who can score. He never played consistently enough to be s true top 6 forward. He was thrust into this role as a ranger because of the dearth of top line talent.

Both Brandon and whoever mis-managed him, overestimated his worth in $$$ and in production. Its funny how he now finds himself on an expansion team that will overpay just to ice a decent lineup. He fits in well with players like Umberger who also overvalued his talents.

We need another consistent 15-20g scorer who can grind, check, and occasionally fight

It's not like dubi never had the talent for the top 6.. he led this team in points 2009-10 with everyone out but I think he put to much pressure on himself to succeed here.. I would take him back on this team in a second tho!! But what really sets apart a 3rd liner to a top 6 player is exactly what you said, Constancy and thats what makes or breaks ya..

i still think we should try and pry pavs out of sj gives us versatility.. Gab+ for Pavs+

would you guys be open to try and pick up Ott or Chris Neil as that third liner?

 

[Rangers ftw]

Best chance to win multiple cups is be strong every year, try to get even stronger, not go off one one [or 2] and done binge.

Take 2 steps backward if you get 5 steps forwards within the year.
We are really obliged to make those sorts of deals, at least until the guys on our farm develop.

That is true, but "impossible". For example, when will we ever see a Henrik again? We should aim for the cup within the next five years. I'm not saying that we should throw away the future, but teams goes through different phases, and right now we are done rebuilding and aiming for the cup. That means that you don't trade away necessary pieces for picks. You try to maximize your team, piece by piece.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

Brenden Morrow or Mike Ribero would both fit the Rangers.

I'd definitely be interested in Morrow. He's broken down over the last few years, but he's still a good grinding winger that is tough and has a scoring touch. He won't be putting up 30, but he could chip in 15 goals on the right line.

Ribeiro would not work with Torts here, IMO. Very skilled, but he's had problems with his coach and in the locker room before. He seems to have fit in well with the Capitals, and has actually been given an "A", though, so, I don't know, he might have turned the corner. He's producing quite well, he's top 10 in the league in points.

why don't you think Gaborik + for Pavs wouldn't work...

age wise pavs is 28, Gabs just turned 31, both have a year/2 years left on current contracts, besides stepan if we had to center it around gabs what or who would you give with him or think would make that deal?

Gab+ Fast/skjei +3rd(some kind of pick) for Pavs?

The Rangers aren't adding to Gaborik to acquire a downgrade.

 

[Nolan11]

why don't you think Gaborik + for Pavs wouldn't work...

age wise pavs is 28, Gabs just turned 31, both have a year/2 years left on current contracts, besides stepan if we had to center it around gabs what or who would you give with him or think would make that deal?

Gab+ Fast/skjei +3rd(some kind of pick) for Pavs?

Sorry, but with our Salary structure and team age, that really does not work for us. Pavelski is our only top six forward young enough to build around with Couture. At 64.3 M cap next year, Gaborik would eat up too much space (even if you kept some), add his age in and sharks boards will shoot you down every time. Great player today, but he is not one that fixes our need to build for the future. Our fan base is trying to plan for time when Thornton/Marleau sign new (hopefully home team discount) contracts and drop down to 2nd line roles. Gaborik does not fit into those plans. Stepan or Hagelin obviously would be huge additions for us (that won't happen).

Pavs for Hagelin+ might also be viable, but Gab seems a non starter. (Who truly knows, Doug Wilson has brought in older Vets at the expense of our future before, anything could happen).