Rumor: Trade Rumor Thread V: "Trade 40 Goal Scorer NBD" (3/8: Getzlaf re-signs)

[RGY]

Perhaps they don't need a big move, but they certainly have to make some moves. You can't have Brian Boyle as our 3C if the Rangers are serious about winning a stanley cup. There is no way around it.

They also need a hard shooting right handed Dman for the PP.

If they don't address those two needs, Rangers will not contend this year..

I wasn't saying they shouldn't make any moves. But they are finally healthy with the exception of asham. And ugly or pretty, they've won two straight with this lineup. They'll have a tough game tuesday against Philly. Let them play and stop trying to find a way to acquire a big name involving a big piece of this team. Because the "proposals" that have been mentioned here have involved del zotto a lot as well as gaborik and those moves wouldn't happen at the deadline because you don't want to inject new blood into the team with a few weeks left to play while dealing players that are a big part of the system. And you really can't deal them now in a shortened season because that's not giving this team a fair shake. This team will be there at the deadline. Add the missing pieces without dealing your big time players.

 

[Son of Steinbrenner]

What about Jared Boll? He's an upgrade over Bickel and right now we can't count on Aaron Asham to stay healthy.

 

[Fitzy]

Segal is a quick, painless upgrade for Bickel at RW. If they wanted to do it, it'd be done by now. Hopefully Asham comes back soon and that's the end of it, Halpern and Powe have been solid together. Our new Betts-Sjostrom.

 

[Kwayry]

I think it is time to address filling in a need up front.

Perron and Cole for Del Zotto and Thomas.

Perron is a LWer with a natural scoring touch and shoots RH. He'll look great with Stepan and Nash. Possible option to man the point with Richards on the first unit. 5 forward PP lol.

Del Zotto can be Pietrangelo's permanent defense partner for the future.

Cole is a LHD that can fill in nicely on the bottom pair for now. Good, defense first player. Thomas will obviously need some more development time, but he should be a NHL player some time soon.

Lines:

Perron-Stepan-Nash (55% O-Zone starts, Top QUALCOMP)
Hagelin-Richards-Gaborik (70% O-Zone starts, 3rd Line QUALCOMP)
Pyatt-Miller-Callahan (50% O-Zone starts, 2nd Line QUALCOMP)
Powe-Boyle-Asham (30% O-Zone starts, 4th/2nd line QUALCOMP)

The first line with Nash matches up against other top lines. The 3rd line with Pyatt, Miller and Callahan match up in a shutdown role against other 2nd lines. The line with Gaborik and Richards is very sheltered offensively and get prime time scoring minutes. The 4th line is shutdown type line, mostly to bring energy. They won't do much 5on5, but they have integral PKers.

You know the different in point production between the 2 last season? 1 point.
Perron 42 points
DZ 41 points.
Let's rob Peter to pay Paul.

And the Blues take this deal and run.
It's a lot tougher to find a 40 point PMD than a 40 point wing.
DZ was the 19th ranked scoring Dman, Perron was 131st forward.

Sather said No to DZ for RoR a center, a more premium position, don't think he will even consider this one.

For a slightly better production there are more affordable options, like Glencross in terms of caphit and assets.

The one trade I would be interested in with the Blues is Dz for Shattenkirk, Rangers will have to add. But that solves our problem and theirs. They need a LD and we need RD.

 

[NewLife]

Chimera is a good call, big body, fast skater, decent hands and ugly (yes his face), perfect bottom six player. Caphit @1.75 over the next season.

 

[BBKers]

Some thoughts on trades...

All the future scenarios presented here and there on these boards (trading Gaborik this season, MDZ, Staal... for quantity in futures and or prospects) I think are a bit out there, especially as brass and management both feel, despite a bit of frustration at the moment regarding the teams results so far, that this team is definitely in a "WIN NOW" mode. No doubt about that. I have heard this from the horses mouth too. If a very good trade comes along that management feels might strengthen the team now, it will naturally be discussed (sans ROR), but they are not going to blow the team up right now. I expect to see rentals only - or contract for contract type of deal (Boyle?).

Another Rupp kind of deal (involving someone like Boyle??, Eminger, Gilroy) might get done - especially to fire up the squad if they hit another rut before the deadline. Trading our young top/tier guys like Kreider, Miller, McIllraith or the Swedes I think/hope will not be necessary, but frankly I feel it might happen if Sather feels desperate enough. Which is a big warning flag.

We seem to have 4 holes that we would like to fill for the Team THIS YEAR

1. PP QB for 1st PP unit
2. Crease clearing defender
3. 3rd line center
4. Hard shooting RH defender for PP

The other expressed needs of added team grit, secondary scoring and/or a legit heavyweight all are wants I feel are further down the list of priorities at the moment. Not saying that they are not possible, but I highly doubt our only pickup at the deadline this year will be a new John Scott type player. I do not think that the team can address all 4 of these needs either, it will be too disruptive and/or costly.

I see the following happening:

1. PP QB for 1st PP unit
I know this is beating a dead horse and that some know-it-all posters here think totally otherwise, but they will bring in Mats Zuccarello here to try to fill this terribly obvious need. Some of the beat writers seem to think so as well. In addition he will not cost any assets & only $$$ and Sather really likes the guy. If he succeeds the it is a good thing, if not, he can be moved at the draft or during the offsseason. A no brainer IMO. Jesse Spector actually kind of told me so as well yesterday...
An interesting alternative is Marc-Andre Bergeron - but not sure if available. Not really impressive in our three meetings vs Tampa this year either IMO...

2. Crease clearing defender
Names that might be available to fit the bill here are:
Hainsey, Regehr, Hamrlik, Leopold, White, Murray, Corvo, Fistric, Hannon
All are not entirely correctly fitting this description of player, not available or not really good.

3. 3rd line center
The names that I feel might be of interest here are:

• Mike Ribeiro
• Nik Antropov
• Derek Roy
• Stephen Weiss

The price is of course a huge question for these 4 guys - especially if a real hammerhead feeding frenzy takes place April 3 - which it very well might (to Eklunds delight). All have flaws as well

Dark horses (not sure they bring much to the table though) would include Michal Handzus, Andy McDonald, Matt Cullen and Boyd Gordon. Ryan Getzlaf would most likely cost too much and might not be available (resign?). Guys like Patrik Elias, Dainius Zubrus, Tyler Bozak and Saku Koivu will most likely not be on the block.Tim Connolly, Roman Cervenka and Matthew Lombardi are not of interest amongst the usual suspects of rental UFA center options.

The main question here is cost IMO.

A contract for contract deal for a center revolving around Brian Bolye
could in theory involve the following names:

Steve Ott or Vernon Fiddler. Ott would be a great choice, but do not think we could get this to work as he would cost a boatload and probably is not available. Fiddler is an interesting option though...

Other UFA 2014 C possibilities that I deem that are impossible to do here are Bolland, Cogliano, Pavelski. Names like Belanger, Stajan, Goc, MacKenzie, McClement, McCormick, Johnny "Malkin" Mitchell are not of interest really. Malkin for Boyle would be considered though

4. Hard shooting RH defender for PP
Names that might fit the bill here are:
Gonchar, Visnovsky, Streit, Whitney, Babchuk, Rozsival, Bouillon
All of these players are not entirely this description, not available or not really good.

THOUGHTS?

 

[Blue Blooded]

4. Hard shooting RH defender for PP
Names that might fit the bill here are:
Gonchar, Visnovsky, Streit, Whitney, Babchuk, Rozsival, Bouillon
All of these players are not entirely this description, not available or not really good.

THOUGHTS?

Not to be nitpicky, but Gonchar is a lefty.

 

[BBKers]

Not to be nitpicky, but Gonchar is a lefty.

Right, I meant preferably a right hander...
Thanx

 

[Blueshirt Believer]

Well BB, I would say another PPQB would be utterly pointless for our PP at this point. We already have plenty.

Zucc typically plays the right board where Nash is. Nash is a MUCH bigger threat than Zucc is. I just do not see the need for another PPQB. It would just cause even more indecisiveness on our PP imo.

Rangers also have their "crease clearing" Dman with McIlrath in the system. Honestly this is a luxury at this point. Its not a desperate need...

The Rangers absolutely need a hard shooting Dman and a 3rd line center. Those are the two main priorities imo..

 

[NewLife]

Gonchar, Visnovsky and Streit would be big improvement no doubt about it, would be very pleased of either, the other I don't have a feeling for nor do I know how to rate them correctly.

Ribero, wouldn't that be something?! I like the idea of having our best forwards on separate lines, imagine having Ribero centering Gaborik on the "third" line. Sound like a video game. Only thing, how would this team work with having three truly offensive centers?

Hageling-Stepan-Nash
Kreider-Richards-Callahan
Pyatt-Ribero-Gaborik
Powe-Halpern-Asham

McDonagh-Girardi
Staal-Strålman
Del Zotto-Gonchar/Visnovsky/Streit

^ Or something like it, is a VERY good looking team on paper come to play off. Would it work, I don't know. Seems too offensive minded tbo.

 

[Blueshirt Believer]

Gonchar, Visnovsky and Streit would be big improvement no doubt about it, would be very pleased of either, the other I don't have a feeling for nor do I know how to rate them correctly.

Ribero, wouldn't that be something?! I like the idea of having our best forwards on separate lines, imagine having Ribero centering Gaborik on the "third" line. Sound like a video game. Only thing, how would this team work with having three truly offensive centers?

Hageling-Stepan-Nash
Kreider-Richards-Callahan
Pyatt-Ribero-Gaborik
Powe-Halpern-Asham

McDonagh-Girardi
Staal-Strålman
Del Zotto-Gonchar/Visnovsky/Streit

^ Or something like it, is a VERY good looking team on paper come to play off. Would it work, I don't know. Seems too offensive minded tbo.

Rangers MAY be able to pry Gonchar away(for the right price)from Ottawa. But Visnovsky and Streit would never be traded here by the Islanders. So that is a pipe dream...

 

[NewLife]

Rangers MAY be able to pry Gonchar away(for the right price)from Ottawa. But Visnovsky and Streit would never be traded here by the Islanders. So that is a pipe dream...

Isn't that what this thread is for, broken dreams, no?

 

[Ola]

4. Hard shooting RH defender for PP
Names that might fit the bill here are:
Gonchar, Visnovsky, Streit, Whitney, Babchuk, Rozsival, Bouillon
All of these players are not entirely this description, not available or not really good.

THOUGHTS?

There aren't many rental RH Ds available that would help us all that much.

What other options do we have?

Could we try to get someone from Europe through waivers? Kevin Dallman would definitely help us alot, but could he be had and would he pass waivers? Cory Murphy could also help.

 

[cd211]

everyone stop with trading MDZ.. noway that happens untill a younger player McIrath/Skjei are playing at the NHL level and capable of putting up 20+ mins a night.. DZ puts up points and isn't replaceable.. Also we have Gaborik, richards Nash and callahan stepan and hagelin.. these guys are paid to score and carry the offense.. We have all the pieces..

we need a defenseman thats is a solid number 6..

Streit/vis would be perfect but noone way they're traded to NY and i doubt they trade Streit period due to him being captain and the bright note on their team on the back end.. leadership is hard to replace and he wont be traded..

We need a rd, would be interesting to see where McIrath is developing and if he could be called up, anyone familiar with how he's playing in CT? you think he could be called up soon?

 

[BBKers]

Well BB, I would say another PPQB would be utterly pointless for our PP at this point. We already have plenty.

Zucc typically plays the right board where Nash is. Nash is a MUCH bigger threat than Zucc is. I just do not see the need for another PPQB. It would just cause even more indecisiveness on our PP imo.

Rangers also have their "crease clearing" Dman with McIlrath in the system. Honestly this is a luxury at this point. Its not a desperate need...

The Rangers absolutely need a hard shooting Dman and a 3rd line center. Those are the two main priorities imo..

The results with our PP, last night non-withstanding, are still abysmal this season. There will be no more indecisiveness if it is setup in an entirely different way. I for one do not think that we will not try to add more alternatives here. Gotta think The Hobbit will be brought over to have another option. Costs only money. Time will tell here though. Demoting Richards & Gaborik to 2nd PP unit is the natural thing to do after going almost half a season wiythout either of them scoring a single PP goal. Truth hurts...

PP1
Callahan (offwing) - Stepan - MZA (offwing)
Stralman LD - Nash RD (for the one timers on off side)

PP2
Hagelin/Pyatt/Miller - Richards - Gaborik
Staal/McD - MDZ

looks good to me...

McIllraith is not ready for NHL action this year though, let alone a playoff run (which management is counting on). There will be a rental option utilized here. Regarding hard shot and #3 C - I agree but the options are slim and price might get crazy. Just saying...
Time will tell...

 

[Ail]

everyone stop with trading MDZ.. noway that happens untill a younger player McIrath/Skjei are playing at the NHL level and capable of putting up 20+ mins a night.. DZ puts up points and isn't replaceable.. Also we have Gaborik, richards Nash and callahan stepan and hagelin.. these guys are paid to score and carry the offense.. We have all the pieces..

we need a defenseman thats is a solid number 6..

Streit/vis would be perfect but noone way they're traded to NY and i doubt they trade Streit period due to him being captain and the bright note on their team on the back end.. leadership is hard to replace and he wont be traded..

We need a rd, would be interesting to see where McIrath is developing and if he could be called up, anyone familiar with how he's playing in CT? you think he could be called up soon?

He's playing well enough to continue getting time in the AHL. There's no reason to bring him up right now. So long as the team has enough warm bodies in the NHL to fill the roster, I don't think they're calling anyone else up. Notice that when two defensemen went out with injuries they brought in the 7th D and put Bickel back on D, then called up a forward. That should tell you a call up from the AHL on defense is unlikely injury or not.

The only thing McI adds to this team right now is an edge.

 

[cd211]

He's playing well enough to continue getting time in the AHL. There's no reason to bring him up right now. So long as the team has enough warm bodies in the NHL to fill the roster, I don't think they're calling anyone else up. Notice that when two defensemen went out with injuries they brought in the 7th D and put Bickel back on D, then called up a forward. That should tell you a call up from the AHL on defense is unlikely injury or not.

The only thing McI adds to this team right now is an edge.

thanks!! hopefully we could see him soon, cant wait to see him clear the crease!!

 

[Jackson Ranger]

What about Jared Boll? He's an upgrade over Bickel and right now we can't count on Aaron Asham to stay healthy.

I like this. He would fit in well with Halpern and Powe. The $64,000 question is how much it would cost.

 

[NYR Viper]

Some players I would keep my eye on as the deadline approaches:

Douglas Murray
Derrick Brassard
Jason Chimera
Robyn Regehr

I have mentioned it before but I think Brassard would do well in NY. Young enough to be a part of the team for a while, has some skills, can play the point on the PP, has some chemistry with Nash as well from Columbus.

Boll IMO is a pipe-dream. Columbus likes him and Dorsett in the line-up all the time.

Still okay with moving Gaborik if the return is right.

 

[Punxrocknyc19*]

I like this. He would fit in well with Halpern and Powe. The $64,000 question is how much it would cost.

i wouldnt mind Boll not alot of offense but provides grit and toughness which is needed. but id pay a bit more to get Matt Beleskey who has a little more skill and just as much grit from the Ducks...

 

[pld459666]

You know the different in point production between the 2 last season? 1 point.
Perron 42 points (in 57 games)
DZ 41 points (in 77 games)
Let's rob Peter to pay Paul.

And the Blues take this deal and run.
It's a lot tougher to find a 40 point PMD than a 40 point wing.
DZ was the 19th ranked scoring Dman, Perron was 131st forward.

Sather said No to DZ for RoR a center, a more premium position, don't think he will even consider this one.

For a slightly better production there are more affordable options, like Glencross in terms of caphit and assets.

The one trade I would be interested in with the Blues is Dz for Shattenkirk, Rangers will have to add. But that solves our problem and theirs. They need a LD and we need RD.

If you are going to pont at production, I believe you should point to both sets of stats.

Additionally if you believe that Perron is JUST another 40 Point scorer, then you should exit the discussion.

The Blues do not take a MDZ for Perron deal and run. They ask for more and justifiably so.

Let me add that if I am moving MDZ, it's not going to be for a player 7+ years older (Glencross)

 

[Trxjw]

You know the different in point production between the 2 last season? 1 point.
Perron 42 points
DZ 41 points.
Let's rob Peter to pay Paul.

And the Blues take this deal and run.
It's a lot tougher to find a 40 point PMD than a 40 point wing.
DZ was the 19th ranked scoring Dman, Perron was 131st forward.

Perron scored 42 points in 57 games. .73 PPG. Del Zotto scored 41 in 77. .57 PPG. Though I suppose it's much easier to make your point if you just leave out things like, ya know, facts.

 

[NYR Viper]

Perron scored 42 points in 57 games. .73 PPG. Del Zotto scored 41 in 77. .57 PPG. Though I suppose it's much easier to make your point if you just leave out things like, ya know, facts.

Perron would be an excellent addition to this team. Very skilled, speedy, high hockey IQ. 24 years old.

Although I wouldn't move Del Zotto for him.

 

[The Gloaming]

I'd trade for Perron for the hilarity of how Pierre would pronounce his name.

(he pronounces it in a very French way, in case you guys didn't watch the one Blues game on NBC this year )

 

[Vitto79]

I do think Clutterbuck and Cullen will be dealt if the Wild are out of it at the deadline. Just a hunch but Clutterbuck especially would be a perfect 3rd line RW. I would deal Boyle for him then trade for a UFA rental C

Nash, Richards, Callahan
Hagelin, Stepan, Gaborik
Pyatt, rental, Clutterbuck
Powe, Halpern, Asham

Miller back down for more seasoning.