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slipknottin said:
Im not even confident Zotto is a lock top 4. Hes inconsistent as heck, especially defensively.
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lol.

This is absurd. MDZ is a top 4 defender on every team in the league and a top pairing guy on at least half of them. I don't understand why fellow Rangers fans always put him down. He is a special player and has been since he was in PeeWee.
 
Kershaw said:
lol.

This is absurd. MDZ is a top 4 defender on every team in the league and a top pairing guy on at least half of them. I don't understand why fellow Rangers fans always put him down. He is a special player and has been since he was in PeeWee.
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as I've said before. Ranger fans tend to underrate (Del Zotto the best case, Boyle, etc) or overrate (Miller, talking about trading Stepan because Miller etc) our players so freaking much, its hard for any Ranger fan to be impartial.
 
Lundsanity30 said:
He's had 55 points ONE time in 3 seasons.. You can't guarantee "he's a 50+ pt player) based on one season.
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He scored 50 points at age 20.

You want me to list all the centers since 2000 that have done that?

Lets see.
Crosby
Malkin
Stamkos
Kopitar
Towes
Duchene
Bergeron
Backstrom
Seguin
Tavares
Brad Richards
Evander Kane


Now which one of those guys isnt a #1 center?
 
Kershaw said:
lol.

This is absurd. MDZ is a top 4 defender on every team in the league and a top pairing guy on at least half of them. I don't understand why fellow Rangers fans always put him down. He is a special player and has been since he was in PeeWee.
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Good, then he has way more trade value to someone else than he has keeping him here, where he is not playing over Staal or McD.
 
slipknottin said:
He scored 50 points at age 20.

You want me to list all the centers in the past 25 years that have done that?

Lets see.
Crosby
Malkin
Stamkos
Kopitar
Towes
Duchene
Bergeron
Backstrom
Seguin
Tavares
Brad Richards
Evander Kane


Now which one of those guys isnt a #1 center?
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Mike York.
 
slipknottin said:
He scored 50 points at age 20.

You want me to list all the centers in the past 25 years that have done that?

Lets see.
Crosby
Malkin
Stamkos
Kopitar
Towes
Duchene
Bergeron
Backstrom
Seguin
Tavares
Brad Richards
Evander Kane


Now which one of those guys isnt a #1 center?
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Evander Kane plays wing. Seguin played mainly wing.

But, you point stands. O'Reilly is skilled offensively, no doubt. Personally, I'd jump all over MDZ for ROR + a dman if ROR signs a fairly decent contract. Our forward depth would be worlds better.

Hagelin-Stepan-Nash
Kreider/Pyatt-Richards-Gaborik
Miller/Pyatt-O'Reilly-Callahan
Powe-Halpern-Boyle

McDonagh-Stralman
Staal-Girardi
Avs D-Gilroy

I love DZ, but ROR would seriously up the offensive depth.
 
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smoneil said:
So is O'Reilly officially the new Clowe? What is the obsession with this guy? He's a good defensive center who put up 2nd line production while getting 1st line minutes and milking his stats off of Landeskog (who factored into almost half of O'Reilly's points last year).

Even if O'Reilly was signed to a reasonable contract, you don't trade a guy like Del Zotto for him. To entertain the idea while he's in the middle of a holdout after ONE good season? It's absurd.

People keep on talking about DZ like he's a 3rd pair guy here. Look at the minutes. He's not a 3rd pair and he hasn't been in over a year. He plays in all situations, and frankly, I would argue that he's in a 3-way tie for our 2nd best defenseman (McD is the best--DZ, Staal and Girardi seem to alternate nights--if all four could play the way they CAN play on a consistent basis, we'd have a top 3 defense in the league). Patience, folks. Trade Del Zotto now, and you'll regret it even more than the Marc Savard for magic beans trade.
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Agreed. A guy like DZ isn't easy to find. He was flying out there on the right side with Staal, and dominating when they were out there with Nash, Richards, Gaborik. I think he can do that just fine.

Anyone ever think DZ never played banged up? Blocking shots, averaging 2 hits a game? Fits into the system, and gives 23 min a night?

For a guy that upgrades Boyle, and can maximize Callahan by being a go to checking line option that can score. The only way I make this deal is if those minutes on the back end get replaced.

COL targeted DZ cause they like him, and are trying to pull something like the EJ trade. Sather sets his own terms.
 
slipknottin said:
He scored 50 points at age 20.

You want me to list all the centers in the past 25 years that have done that?

Lets see.
Crosby
Malkin
Stamkos
Kopitar
Towes
Duchene
Bergeron
Backstrom
Seguin
Tavares
Brad Richards
Evander Kane


Now which one of those guys isnt a #1 center?
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I guess its impossible for him to be different from the trend... Also, ROR can't hold most of those guys jockstrap.
 
Zenith said:
Evander Kane plays wing. Seguin played mainly wing.

But, you point stands. O'Reilly is skilled offensively, no doubt. Personally, I'd jump all over MDZ for ROR + a dman if ROR signs a fairly decent contract. Our forward depth would be worlds better.

Hagelin-Stepan-Nash
Kreider-Richards-Gaborik
Miller-O'Reilly-Callahan
Powe-Halpern-Boyle

McDonagh-Stralman
Staal-Girardi
Avs D-Gilroy

I love DZ, but ROR would seriously up the offensive depth.
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we're trading Del Zotto so that ROR can be our 3rd line center?.. and holy hell at that bottom pairing..
 
slipknottin said:
Good, then he has way more trade value to someone else than he has keeping him here, where he is not playing over Staal or McD.
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And then we lose an integral part of what made our team dominant last year, our depth in defense.

The Rangers go from the best in the leauge to above average if they move MDZ without someone in return to take his place.
 
Zenith said:
Evander Kane plays wing. Seguin played mainly wing.

But, you point stands. O'Reilly is skilled offensively, no doubt. Personally, I'd jump all over MDZ for ROR + a dman if ROR signs a fairly decent contract. Our forward depth would be worlds better.

Hagelin-Stepan-Nash
Kreider-Richards-Gaborik
Miller-O'Reilly-Callahan
Powe-Halpern-Boyle

McDonagh-Stralman
Staal-Girardi
Avs D-Gilroy

I love DZ, but ROR would seriously up the offensive depth.
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Are people not worried about injury to our D? Especially considering the style of game we play, I'm extremely concerned about our D staying healthy, especially in the playoffs.

I think getting ROR+Dman from Avs is absolutely great value for MDZ. It DOES make our team better (I've come around to this after some thought). I just find it uncomfortable how we are one defenseman injury away from having serious issues.

I guess if the deal presented itself, we pull the trigger and trust Sather find another D man before the deadline. I'm sure he knows we need depth on D for a playoff run.
 
Lundsanity30 said:
so because he will never pass Mcdonagh or Staal, we should trade him because of that?
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Do people not like having a group of thoroughbreds back there with an elite goaltender? Is it not preferable to be a fan of a team that doesn't have questions about making the playoffs?

Isn't it easier watching a hockey game knowing you've got four guys that can lock it down for 48-50 mins a night?
 
Lundsanity30 said:
we're trading Del Zotto so that ROR can be our 3rd line center?.. and holy hell at that bottom pairing..
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Most teams don't have players on Stralman's or Del Zotto's caliber on the third pairing. Our defense on the back end is fine - what we have trouble with is defense at forward and generating offensive chances consistenly. Having 3 excellent centers on our team will give us 3 good lines, lines that can generate offense on any given night. When you have a goaltender like Lundqvist, and defensive workhorses like McDonagh, Staal, and Girardi, it gives you a chance to sacrifice from the D to add to the offense. We lost offensive depth in the Nash trade. Adding O'Reilly for a D gives us more depth, more skilled depth.
 
slipknottin said:
Ill put it this way.

Team A - he is a top 2 pairing
Team B - he is a 3rd line pairing, the #3 LD.

Which team would find that player more valuable?
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Rangers are built on defense and Lundqvist.. take away Del Zotto and it becomes worse, then God forbid an injury happens to Staal, Mcdonagh or Girardi, then what? We just dont have great depth as it is right now defensively thats WITH Del Zotto, it becomes even worse without it. Rangers have scored 3 or more goals 8 times this season and they haven't even hit their stride yet, we have more than enough offense to win it all.
 
Mikos87 said:
Do people not like having a group of thoroughbreds back there with an elite goaltender? Is it not preferable to be a fan of a team that doesn't have questions about making the playoffs?

Isn't it easier watching a hockey game knowing you've got four guys that can lock it down for 48-50 mins a night?
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Exactly. We have a special defense here folks, I doubt we'll be able to get a top 4 as good as this one in a long time, especially when Girardi/Staal/McDonagh/Del Zotto will rightfully demand the 5-6m+ they deserve when they hit the open market. Keep it intact, stop with the blockbuster trades. Keep the core together and the chemistry fresh. I will be heartbroken if any of the Big 4 are moved.
 
Lundsanity30 said:
Rangers are built on defense and Lundqvist.. take away Del Zotto and it becomes worse, then God forbid an injury happens to Staal, Mcdonagh or Girardi, then what? We just dont have great depth as it is right now defensively thats WITH Del Zotto, it becomes even worse without it. Rangers have scored 3 or more goals 8 times this season and they haven't even hit their stride yet, we have more than enough offense to win it all.
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A 3rd line defensemen is more valuable than a #1 center.

Strange sort of world.
 
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