Rumor: Trade Rumor/Speculation Thread XXVI: G Staying Put.

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

I promise you one thing. Management knows just as well as all of us here the Rangers really need depth at center if they want to take that final step. If you could replace Nash's goals in the short term and fill that 1c or 2c position. Would you do it?

I guess part of the question is what do you believe Kesler is, what do you believe he has left. I have no clue, like a lot of people have said Kesler three years ago, I trade Nash tonight.

So, wait - you're suggesting trading Nash for an emerging 1C? Yes, I could get behind that. It's about the only Nash trade scenario that would make sense.

 

[jerseyjinx94]

Personally, I'd be okay with either:

Callahan - reasonable contract extension.
Callahan-MSL
Callahan+2nd or 3rd for MSL
Callahan for a 2015 1st, and B/B+ prospect

Any is fine.

 

[GregSirico]

Seeing what Miller and Ott got, Stralman has some serious value.

More than serious value, in fact I think you could get A LOT for him ... especially with the market being thin.

 

[NYR Viper]

Buffalo is playing this market. Watch them move Moulson to LA after LA saw what St Louis did already.

 

[GregSirico]

Why are some people so concerned with 'building the team' for 2015/2016? Why not .. oh I don't know .. try and win now while the bulk of your team is in their prime? Just a thought.

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

still wonder why we aren't interested in Moulson.. couldn't we use a scoring LW?

 

[Fitzy]

Yeah, no way Moulson is on Buffalo in a week's time. With rumors of Myers on the block it could be a wholesale change for them.

Lindy Ruff was the undeserving casualty in all of this.

 

[jerseyjinx94]

Your replacing Nash with St. Louis. And then looking to add a 27-29 year old marquee FA either summer of 2015, 2016

But you're missing the point. You don't do that. If you trade Nash, you shop him and sell him to the highest bidder, not make a last minute trade because you can add a FA in 2015 or 2016.

 

[NernieBichols]

No. Thankfully neither would the Rangers.

This persistent idea of trading to fill a whole while creating another one is really baffling to me.

Your filling the hole at center, while filling the hole at RW with St. Louis...

Doesn't it make sense, if Sather is looking to make two major moves. He would be filling one hole with one trade, and then filling that hole with the player from the second trade.

Nash or roster players to Vancouver for Kesler
Futures for St. Louis

How people aren't seeing that St. Louis fills that hole in what Im proposing

 

[NYR Viper]

still wonder why we aren't interested in Moulson.. couldn't we use a scoring LW?

Are you okay moving a 1st + Lindberg? That will most likely be the cost.

 

[jerseyjinx94]

Why are some people so concerned with 'building the team' for 2015/2016? Why not .. oh I don't know .. try and win now while the bulk of your team is in their prime? Just a thought.

Dude, I'm with you.

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

Are you okay moving a 1st + Lindberg? That will most likely be the cost.

could we sign him? If we could sign him, I would be ok with it.

 

[NYR Viper]

could we sign him? If we could sign him, I would be ok with it.

For 6.5 million per season if you want to. I don't.

 

[Raspewtin]

Don't know if I'm alone, but Buffalo abused St. Louis in that trade. They gave up a lot for two rentals. Is this an indication of what the market is like? Miller is a UFA goalie, and Ott is a UFA bottom 6 forward. A B level prospect, two picks, a roster player, and a starting goaltender. That's a very nice haul. Halak and Stewart can easily be turned into picks, too.

Carrier + 1st + 2nd would probably be fair market value for Miller. I think that was an insane overpayment.

 

[TheTakedown]

Are you okay moving a 1st + Lindberg? That will most likely be the cost.

you'd be best off moving either Pouliot or Hagelin if you're going to do that... might as well give him a spot on the roster off the bat

 

[Hire Sather]

Stewart going to Buffalo, who likes Callahan, is concerning.

I don't want ****ing Stewart.

 

[GregSirico]

Dude, I'm with you.

It is SO frustrating ... it's like people are so gun shy to try and win it all that they want to hold on to all their chips ... ya know what ... building a team is like poker ... and if you never up the ante and go for it ... you will slowly lose your whole stack. At some point you have to make bold choices (while somewhat managing your future) but you can't so timid that you always stand pat and think about tomorrow and today becomes tomorrow and tomorrow really never comes.

 

[NernieBichols]

But you're missing the point. You don't do that. If you trade Nash, you shop him and sell him to the highest bidder, not make a last minute trade because you can add a FA in 2015 or 2016.

Its nash for Kesler bc you want him and only bc you want him. If the rangers don't want Kesler then you don't do it.

People please go back and reference yourselves.

Dagoon brought up Sather working on two big trades, I posted what if Sather is looking into:
moving players for kesler and
futures/picks for St. Louis.
And I said, if I knew I could secure St. Louis, I think I would trade Nash for Kesler

What are you guys getting on about saying what Im suggesting leaves a hole open. It's potentially not enough offense, but thats different then saying, theres a huge gaping hole in the line-up subbing nash with st. louis. The rangers would only do this to fill what I would think they feel is their most important need, a 1 or 1A center.

 

[haohmaru]

Stewart going to Buffalo, who likes Callahan, is concerning.

I don't want ****ing Stewart.

No reason for Buffalo to trade for a rental.

 

[GregSirico]

Its nash for Kesler bc you want him and only bc you want him. If the rangers don't want Kesler then you don't do it.

People please go back and reference yourselves.

Dagoon brought up Sather working on two big trades, I posted what if Sather is looking into moving players for keeler and futures/picks for St. Louis. And I said, if I knew I could secure St. Louis, I would think I would trade Nash for Kesler

What are you talking about. The rangers would only do this to fill what I would think they feel is their most important need, a 1 or 1A center.

That trade would NOT make them a better team.

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

Its nash for Kesler bc you want him and only bc you want him. If the rangers don't want Kesler then you don't do it.

People please go back and reference yourselves.

Dagoon brought up Sather working on two big trades, I posted what if Sather is looking into moving players for keeler and futures/picks for St. Louis. And I said, if I knew I could secure St. Louis, I would think I would trade Nash for Kesler

What are you talking about. The rangers would only do this to fill what I would think they feel is their most important need, a 1 or 1A center.

which Kesler hasn't been anymore.

 

[RGY]

No to Kesler.

Seriously though...Punxrocknyc19 has gone M.I.A. since Steve Ott was traded to STL...

 

[I Eat Crow]

Seeing what Miller and Ott got, Stralman has some serious value.

Well, what is Stralman really? Do we all agree that he's a solid, top 4 defenseman that can log 15-20 minutes a night? One that is good positionally and hardly makes mistakes at that. However, offense has seemingly taken a step back.

Secondly, what would we want back for him? Is he worth a Vatanen or blue chip offensive prospect? I think his value is just shy of that.

 

[Clown Fiesta]

Your filling the hole at center, while filling the hole at RW with St. Louis...

Doesn't it make sense, if Sather is looking to make two major moves. He would be filling one hole with one trade, and then filling that hole with the player from the second trade.

Nash or roster players to Vancouver for Kesler
Futures for St. Louis

How people aren't seeing that St. Louis fills that hole in what Im proposing

Futures aren't getting St. Louis on their own unless they are significant, so that's probably a good prospect or two and a pick most likely a 1st. TB doesn't want futures they want someone to fill a hole in their lineup (Callahan potentially) and futures, fewer obviously if Callahan is in the deal.

Secondly, MSL is a short-mid term solution, whose highest value comes as a compliment to the talent we already have (Nash).

So unless you feel like we are Kesler and MSL away from a cup it's a bad move. I'd rather have two high scoring wingers for 1.5 years then one and a center who is going to be lucky to put up 60 points again.

 

[jerseyjinx94]

Your filling the hole at center, while filling the hole at RW with St. Louis...

Doesn't it make sense, if Sather is looking to make two major moves. He would be filling one hole with one trade, and then filling that hole with the player from the second trade.

Nash or roster players to Vancouver for Kesler
Futures for St. Louis

How people aren't seeing that St. Louis fills that hole in what Im proposing

Just no.

Nash is 29 years old and whether you want to believe it or not, is a premier goal scorer in this league. We should be adding around him, not replacing him. I'll trade him for a younger, more talented player, otherwise, why the hell would I trade him? Ryan Kesler is not the answer.

Kesler has scored 30 goals once and 60 points twice.

Nash has scored 30 goals 7 times, and 21 in 44 games last year, and 60 points 4 times. This is not who you trade Nash for.