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Rumor: Trade Rumor/Speculation Thread XXV: It's a Marty Party [*Mod Warning post #132]

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RGY said:
For once we agree :)



Either him or Skjei. TBL needs young defenseman. Who is more important to us?

Or do we try and go with Callahan, Allen, Kristo/Hrivik/Fast, pick for MSL?
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i would deal Skjei, Nieves, Hrivik St.Croix Yogan Bourque Jean over Fast, Andersson, Allen, McIlrath, Kristo..
 
Elliotte Friedman ‏@FriedgeHNIC 42s

If you're at SJ/BUF tonight, check the warmups -- I can't watch them on-line. Some rumblings BUF may have a couple guys out.
 
Elliotte Friedman ‏@FriedgeHNIC 33s
If you're at SJ/BUF tonight, check the warmups -- I can't watch them on-line. Some rumblings BUF may have a couple guys out.

John Vogl ‏@BuffNewsVogl 54s
Before every start, Ryan Miller comes to Sabres' bench to lean on his stick and think about the game. He has not shown up. Not playing?
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Sabres rumors.
 
smoneil said:
Sting, Cally is one of my favorite forwards, but you are just over the top hyperbolic in all of this. The second most important Ranger over the last 15 years!? Lundqvist, Staal, McDonagh, Girardi, Jagr, Gaborik--ring any bells? And those are just the guys who are clear-cut more important. There's a slew of guys you can debate (including one who contributed all the things Cally does, while also winning draws, fighting, and out-producing him in all but one year-- :) ).
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First of all, correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't you the guy that spent years telling us how Dubinsky was a better player than Callahan? If that was someone else, my apologies. If it wasn't . . . well, then what you've said here makes a lot more sense when viewed from that perspective.

Moving on . . .baffling. Simply baffling. Lundqvist aside, none of those players have been as integral to this team's success for as long a period of time as Callahan. Jagr and Gaborik don't even belong on the list. Jagr??? Are you kidding me? Jagr is a minor footnote in Ranger history. Callahan has been the team's best skater consistently for 4 years and the captain of the most successful Ranger team in 20 years.

Role players on the decline don't get 6+ million dollars on the long term.
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One poor half season, or even one poor season, does not prove that a player is declining.

Callahan's production rate has gone down each year since he signed his CURRENT contract (check it--his best year, production rate-wise, was the year before he signed his current deal). On top of that, the cap is actually LOWER now than it was when he signed his current deal. He hasn't lived up to the cap number he has right now, and he's asking for a big raise? Great. Someone will pay it to him. It shouldn't be us.
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Boy, you can see the literal decline between 2011-12 and 2012-13, when his PPG dropped from .71 to .69! Maybe his production isn't really dropping, maybe it just leveled off after reaching a peak of .8 PPG in 2010-11, when he had more minutes and more responsibility? And how has he not lived up to the cap number has right now? Because he has had one poor half season, amid injury, a new coach, a different role, and no real training camp? I think he has absolutely lived up to his current contract. I think he's been a bargain at his current contract. Garnering top 10 Selke votes 3 years in a row and qualifying for his second consecutive US Olympic team would indicate that I'm not the only one that feels he has.

Once again, you continue to frame evaluation of Callahan's play through the lens of scoring, and once again, that continues to be a tremendous mistake. In my opinion, scoring has very little to do with why Callahan is a great player. Callahan drives possession, and is an absolute wrecking ball in any gameplan that opposing teams try to employ. That is his value: he is a constant disruption. Through his speed, his superior positioning and anticipation, through his stick checking and his body checking, and through his willpower to fight for loose pucks and harass puckhandlers. That is his value, but I suppose one has to be able to identify those qualities, and appreciate how important those qualities are in order to understand how much better Callahan is in those regards than average NHLers, and thus, to appreciate his value.

Even though they play different positions, the best parallel I can think of for Callahan is Redden. The warning signs were there for everyone to see. The regression pattern was obvious for anyone who looked at it. Both players will get big contracts based on reputation and a hope that the trend reverses. I love Cally. Always will. I don't want him to be the next Redden-type contract on this team. If he wants that money, then he should go get it somewhere else and let us remember him as the player he's been, rather that the detriment he would be at that new cap hit.
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That is a dreadful comparison, and I hope you remember that you made it in 2 or 3 years, when Callahan is still a significant player in this league, regardless of what team he is on.
 
Elliotte Friedman ‏@FriedgeHNIC now
Ryan Miller is expected to be a scratch...@andystrickland had Steve Ott, too.
 
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Jeremy Rutherford ‏@jprutherford 1m
Confirming reports that Ryan Miller is a late scratch tonight. It's believed that a deal is imminent and STL is the likely destination.
 
Ail said:
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Jeremy Rutherford ‏@jprutherford 1m
Confirming reports that Ryan Miller is a late scratch tonight. It's believed that a deal is imminent and STL is the likely destination.
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Let it be known, Girardi will be known simply as "The Domino." (I am well aware that one has nothing to do with the other)
 
Mike Harrington ‏@BNHarrington 28s
No Ott either. Bench door closed. Enroth only goalie on ice for warmups. #Sabres
 
I still think Sather is going to go for it....Penguins are very beatable...it is the Bruins we have to handle . Watch him load up...bye bye kids...hello MSL ...it is the Sather way... :) Somebody else will have to pick up the pieces in the Summer when he leaves...
 
Buffalo Sabres ‏@BuffaloSabres 54s
No Ott, Miller or Scott in warmups. #Sabres

Here comes the big one, no John Scott. :amazed:
 
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