Speculation: Trade Rumor/Speculation Thread XXII: St Louis vs St Louis

[SirGoose]

Not to mention gaining a leader and buddy of a lot of the teammates really keeps the locker room from falling apart and will allow some time for the next captain to emerge.

 

[aufheben]

For the people saying the Rangers aren't contenders this year even with St. Louis: What team have you been watching? The Rangers was playing great for a couple of months before the olympic break. It's not so long ago we were 2 under .500. Now we're 8 over. There is no reason to look at the stats for the complete season. We're not the same team we were at the start of the season and lately we have been one of the best teams in the league.

Lundquist and Nash are both back to form. Lines have chemistry. The team has adapted to the new system. Carcillo and Klein has strengthened the team. Boyle is out there doing spin moves for ****s sake. What's with the negativity?

Barring injuries, the Rangers are contenders with or without St. Louis although he would be a huge addition.

Realism is not negativity.

 

[Ola]

NMC? I read somewhere MSL is still in Sochi, they need him to sign off on it. Didn't Boomer say that they were waiting till the players get back from the olympics?

Ok, they aren't back yet? I think I also remember hearing that Canada was leaving late...

Maybe Yzerman want a last sit-down with MSL or whatever. But like "x-hours" after that, you would imagine that the trigger is pulled.

I at least think the situation is pretty clear:

1. A deal is made if there is irrepable damage between MSL and the Tampa organization. Not because of whatever return Tampa would get from him. If they had an option to keep him, they would keep him. Nobody will pay enough for it to be worth for them, a contender for the first time in a really long time, to dump their highest scoring player and captain mid-season. I think its litterary dumb by McKenzie to speculate along those lines. At least I cannot imagine that this is a material factor in Tampa's decision making. I mean, if they had the "luxury" to look at whatever return they are getting, they won't make a deal because nothing will be worth it.

2. If they decide to deal him. Like if the decision is taken. They would obviously not look for prospects or late 1sts. They would look for someone who can step right in. Who is willing to deal someone that can step right in for Tampa? And I can't see many being able to do better than Cally. What options are out there? Someone like PAP? Wouldn't they just take Cally and then the cap-space this summer? We get a top 2 line RW for the end of this season and next season, and then get the cap space that summer.

In the end, I would be suprised if a deal is made...

 

[The Lunatic Fridge]

Honestly i never thought i'd see MSL on another team, Much less on the rangers. Of course i've always wanted him here with the way he destroys our goalie's confidence...

But something tells me it's not callahan that would be shipped out for him.

 

[darko]

You really have a vendetta against McI, don't you?

Yeah so much vendetta that I'm sticking up for him against people who are ripping on him and calling him a bust.

 

[Ail]

Still in Sochi? Wasn't TB practicing today?

All players coming back last night have off until Wednesday's practices from what I read.

Why would they come home and practice with their team the same day. They are probably jet lagged.

 

[RangerBoy]

The last NHLPA charter from Sochi to Newark arrived yesterday morning. Close to noon. McKenzie tweeted that. Another charter left Sochi at 6pm Sunday night NY time and arrived here at the crack of dawn Monday morning. Shannon tweeted that. The U.S. guys were on that plane. The Blues guys tweeted a picture of them with the pilots in the cockpit. Backes,Oshie and Shattenkirk. The Canadian guys were on the later arriving flight. The players get a connecting flight from Newark to their home city. The Rangers Olympic players are off today. Other teams gave their guys 2 days off but some teams don't have that luxury.

RW Ryan Callahan and defenseman Dan Girardi, both pending unrestricted free agents, are the constant subjects of trade rumors with the March 5 deadline approaching. There was a report that Callahan was offered to Tampa Bay for RW Martin St. Louis in a one-for-one swap, but a source said the offer never happened.

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/hockey/rangers/rangers-regroup-article-1.1700723#ixzz2uKVnVHVf

 

[Ail]

The last NHLPA charter from Sochi to Newark arrived yesterday morning. Close to noon. McKenzie tweeted that. Another charter left Sochi at 6pm Sunday night NY time and arrived here at the crack of dawn Monday morning. Shannon tweeted that. The U.S. guys were on that plane. The Blues guys tweeted a picture of them with the pilots in the cockpit. Backes,Oshie and Shattenkirk. The Canadian guys were on the later arriving flight. The players get a connecting flight from Newark to their home city. The Rangers Olympic players are off today. Other teams gave their guys 2 days off but some teams don't have that luxury.



Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/hockey/rangers/rangers-regroup-article-1.1700723#ixzz2uKVnVHVf

Add yet another unconfirmed report to the mix.

When are MSL and Steve Y going to chime in here? I think we've heard about enough from everyone else.

 

[FATCHAMALA11]

I was bored so I tweeted Boomer.


‏@FATCHAMALA · 5m
@7BOOMERESIASON where's this St. Louis trade you speak of Boomer?

Boomer Esiason ‏@7BOOMERESIASON · 2m
@FATCHAMALA when's the deadline?

 

[UAGoalieGuy]

Lol he's still convinced this thing is going to go down even though ever news outlet has shot it down.

 

[Doctyl]

Lol he's still convinced this thing is going to go down even though ever news outlet has shot it down.

Pretty sure it hasn't been shot down there just seems to be silence. The fact the SY and/or MSL haven't shot down any of these rumors is at least interesting.

 

[Larrybiv]

I dont see how Boomer Esiason can be faulted for anything here.
He stood behind what he tweeted this morning.
If in fact he was chosen to be point man on this thing, I think he's executed it admirably.

He's not Bob Woodward, but he's not foolish enough if someone from management whispers this in his ear (and essentially greenlights him to say it into a microphone) to not stop and realize if he blares 'Marty Marty" and "Cally Cally" and it doesnt happen it crushes him with the biggest die-hards of a team he loves -and a nice chunk of his audience who tunes in only because he often talks NYR hockey (and certainly not for the disgrace that is Chris Carton, who could well be the worst excuse for a supposed broadcaster of all time). .
So I'd bet anything Boomer asked whomever told him are you sure? Cause you know, you'd be leaving me totally out there with my **** in the wind.

The other thing no one points out as relevant is, this is such an unexpected swap, its just not the kind that gets made up.

I second the motion. Todd, u are spot on.

 

[Ail]

Lol he's still convinced this thing is going to go down even though ever news outlet has shot it down.

No one has short anything down. I have not heard anyone involved deny the rumor even slightly. Which is the only reason why this is still being discussed.

 

[AlternateSideParking]

I'm convinced if there was a metric to determine work productivity of hockey fans two months before the trade deadline and the two weeks leading up to it, employers would make it mandatory that all hockey fans they employ only take vacation during the two weeks before the trade deadline, with July 1 being a second option.

 

[AlternateSideParking]

Tampa isn't the only team who covets Callahan. Every team could use him, but I bet there are two or three GMs absolutely he'll bent on acquiring him, even as a rental. Same with Girardi.

Now that MSL is public knowledge, the aforementioned teams can now construct their own deal to pitch to Sather. There's no way Sather makes a deal until March 5 unless he's absolutely blown out of the water before that.

As much as I like MSL and everything he would bring, something tells me there is a better offer out there.

 

[offdacrossbar]

Would love msl 5 years ago.

1 for 1, don't like that deal. Dude can score for sure but We get older and we lose a certain #1 and younger roster player for a guy who's still at the top of his game but for how long ?

I like younger and bigger. There's more out there for Ryan Callahan.

I am an msl fan. big time. Who isn't ? Adding him in place of cally on our existing roster does look sweet though.

 

[RangerBoy]

St. Louis and Yzerman spent yesterday traveling back to Tampa. Charter flight from Sochi to Newark for St.Louis. Then another flight to Tampa. Probably a commercial flight. Yzerman wasn't on the NHLPA charter. He is management. I am sure the Canadian management team had a charter from Sochi to Toronto yesterday. Then Yzerman needs to take a flight to Tampa. Teams and players don't respond to rumors. Callahan and Girardi won't discuss the particulars of their contract talks or any trade rumors.

Boomer tweeted it would done when the players returned to North America so the players can report to their teams. Now its the deadline.

Stamkos is still in limbo and TB is trading their leading scorer for a rental with the Rangers getting a conditional pick. Stamkos was supposed to play right before the Olympic break in anticipation of playing in Sochi. He dropped out the Olympics. St.Louis replaced Stamkos the next day. Stamkos was supposed to play this week. Now its next Thursday.

1 for 1 with a conditional pick coming to the Rangers. That's confirmed but the other report aren't confirmed.

 

[Larrybiv]

Tampa isn't the only team who covets Callahan. Every team could use him, but I bet there are two or three GMs absolutely he'll bent on acquiring him, even as a rental. Same with Girardi.

Now that MSL is public knowledge, the aforementioned teams can now construct their own deal to pitch to Sather. There's no way Sather makes a deal until March 5 unless he's absolutely blown out of the water before that.

As much as I like MSL and everything he would bring, something tells me there is a better offer out there.

True that. Sather has been awesome with this whole situation. Planned perfectly. Dangling. Now apparent temporary catch. Maybe catch another one or 2 , while throwing the fish back? U know, just upping the ante. About time we GET a good return for losing a player.
Snatching a # 1 or a top prospect on top of a replacement for Cally, might be the ultimate goal. Just saying. A game of chess.

 

[Punxrocknyc19*]

Rangers always try to trade for grit around the deadline.. what would it take for Kyle Clifford from the Kings?



Callahan to Kings
LW Kyle Clifford, LW Nikolay Prokhorkin, 1st in 2014 to Rangers






big fan of Prokhorkin....

 

[Hi ImHFNYR]

Lol, I don't get pissed off from a message board. Maybe you do. I'm not attacking anyone, you're just upset with my tone, clearly mistaking passion for aggression.

Logic and intellect? Mike Rupp, Gaborik (who we flipped a mere months later, admitting the error), etc.

Did you watch that team without Dubi and Anisimov. How about letting Prust go. I'm not even saying that these were all necessarily mistakes and I agree that 11-12 team certainly played above their heads, but the move was made in a vacuum and it set this team back.

We had a good thing going and instead of building on it opted to let our ENTIRE bottom 6 go. Look at every good team, they have a deep and high end bottom 6.

We retained Boyle, that was it. Feds, Prust, Dubi, Anisimov. We ended up rolling out 4th lines with Bickel and Newbury and bunch of AHL scrubs because we let go of those "tweeners."

The foolish comment was a saying. One i'm sure you've heard before, if you take a second and calm down enough to think about it with a clear head.

And for what it's worth, I think this team was better off with Dubi, Gaborik and Anisimov then Nash, Brassard, Dorsett and Moore. Not that that makes any difference at this point. But yes, it gutted our team somewhat, that's pretty clear when Torts and others addressed the issues with our depth shortly thereafter.

This is my opinion. You're welcome to disagree, without attacking me.

Sigh. The Nash trade. You somehow included five moves that were NOT the Nash trade. Welp at least I can see where the thought process is at. Multiple people had a problem with the way you presented your opinion moreso than the opinion itself.

The foolish comment is "a saying". I can't go to my boss and tell him to go "eat ****" but avoid repercussion using the "it's just a saying" defense.

How can you legitimately think that trading Rupp was in ANY way "admitting their error".
"Boy the Nash trade didn't work out we better trade Rupp!" Is that really what you think?

Also if it is a move in a vacuum then why are you bringing up multiple unrelated moves and attributing them to the Nash trade? Do you think the Nash trade was in a vacuum or do you think it was made and that it affected every single one of those other moves? I would love to hear why the Rangers failing to pony up for prust's big contract was mainly bc of the Nash move, simultaneously trading Rupp was mainly bc of the Nash move, Richards falling off a cliff was b/c of the Nash move, Gabs falling off a cliff and getting traded was b/c of the Nash move, Sauer being unable to recover from a concussion, Jonny Malk's being let go, Feds being let go. I'd LOVE a point by point analysis of how the Nash trade (which you said was made in a vacuum) means that all of those things HAD to happen!

We got screwed over by Rich and gabs both falling off a cliff. It is simply 100% wrong to act like this had anything to do with the Nash trade. If you think we'd be better off with Dubs and Artie and that the Nash trade hurt on TOP of losing Prust while having the two top 3 no shows than THAT is at least debatable. There was just SO much turnover that it's crazy to even think it was JUST the Nash trade and that the Nash trade caused AALLLL of this woe.

 

[Larrybiv]

One thing I'm unsure of. Why would Boomer think we Rangers fans wouldn't be happy with trade originally tweeted? Because Cally is so popular? Call me confused.

 

[Ail]

St. Louis and Yzerman spent yesterday traveling back to Tampa. Charter flight from Sochi to Newark for St.Louis. Then another flight to Tampa. Probably a commercial flight. Yzerman wasn't on the NHLPA charter. He is management. I am sure the Canadian management team had a charter from Sochi to Toronto yesterday. Then Yzerman needs to take a flight to Tampa. Teams and players don't respond to rumors. Callahan and Girardi won't discuss the particulars of their contract talks or any trade rumors.

Boomer tweeted it would done when the players returned to North America so the players can report to their teams. Now its the deadline.

Stamkos is still in limbo and TB is trading their leading scorer for a rental with the Rangers getting a conditional pick. Stamkos was supposed to play right before the Olympic break in anticipation of playing in Sochi. He dropped out the Olympics. St.Louis replaced Stamkos the next day. Stamkos was supposed to play this week. Now its next Thursday.

1 for 1 with a conditional pick coming to the Rangers. That's confirmed but the other report aren't confirmed.

Teams and players don't respond to rumors? How about Nail Yakupov earlier this year? Let's see, the coach responded, the player responded, the agent responded, oh and even management responded. Lol nice try. Those rumors were probably no more credible than Boomers, yet they were squashed as soon as the MDZ for Yakupov rumors started flying.

Stop making **** up.

 

[Stasis]

All of this potential trade talk is exciting (new toys!) but it also makes me nervous. Potentially moving both Cally and G, and maybe even Boyle?

That's a big change. Slats is pretty good at this stuff, but I can question his direction finder. Imagine Cally for MSL, Girardi for Vatanen. I don't think either happens as is tbh, and I recognize we'd gain a lot of offensive ability, but we also become even less physical. And then moving Boyle? Not the toughest guy out there for his size, no, but another defensive stalwart for us and another of our physical presences.

This could be a really fun deadline for us, or a really terrible one, depending on perspective. I'm gonna sit back and watch while attempting cautious optimism, lol.

 

[Ail]

One thing I'm unsure of. Why would Boomer think we Rangers fans wouldn't be happy with trade originally tweeted? Because Cally is so popular? Call me confused.

That and because the return is not ideal.

Just read the thread for the past 30 pages.

 

[Larrybiv]

Sigh. The Nash trade. You somehow included five moves that were NOT the Nash trade. Welp at least I can see where the thought process is at. Multiple people had a problem with the way you presented your opinion (Let alone getting on you for the actual opinion itself which you proved is based on very flawed thinking) so maybe just admit you screwed up instead of pretending like I'm getting on you for no reason.

How can you legitimately think that trading Rupp was in ANY way "admitting their error". Trading gaborik was "admitting their error". Of course "their error" was the Nash trade. Are you that out to lunch that you can't remember how BAD those individual players were and how they were that bad totally and completely REGARDLESS of the Nash trade? What does letting Prust go have to do with the Nash trade?

The foolish comment is "a saying". That's nice but um, do you not know that it's usage is meant to imply that someone is a fool? You may not know this but that's not a nice thing. Being a saying doesn't mean anything at all. I can't go to my boss and tell him to go "eat ****" but avoid repercussion using the "it's just a saying" defense. Your thought process is very lol worthy

Don't want to get involved with you and AHB's discussion but.....would Dubi, Prust, Feds and AA be players that AV would want on his team? we're probably much closer with this team than 11' team.