Rumor: Trade Rumor/Speculation Thread XIX: The Olympic Freeze

[NYR Sting]

Yes. I would say both Vanek and Girardi are better/more valuable players than Callahan currently is.

By currently, you mean, this season? Because before this season, there was never a point where Girardi was better or more valuable than Callahan.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

By currently, you mean, this season? Because before this season, there was never a point where Girardi was better or more valuable than Callahan.

Yes, I mean this season, although Callahan's dip in overall effectiveness was noticeable last year despite putting up good numbers.

 

[Radek27]

Have you even seen Miracle, bro?

Unfortunately miracles don't happen twice, chief.

 

[BarbaraAlphanse]

Unfortunately miracles don't happen twice, chief.

Says? Certainly not history.

 

[Cassano]

By currently, you mean, this season? Because before this season, there was never a point where Girardi was better or more valuable than Callahan.

You might've missed out on the past 3 seasons.

 

[Thirty One]

Unfortunately miracles don't happen twice, chief.

My bad.

 

[NYR Sting]

You might've missed out on the past 3 seasons.

Or you just might have been overrating Girardi and underrating Callahan. There seems to be a ton of that going on around here lately.

 

[Thirty One]

Or you just might have been overrating Girardi and underrating Callahan. There seems to be a ton of that going on around here lately.

I've noticed people disagreeing with my opinions a lot, too.

It's an epidemic and it must be stopped.

 

[BarbaraAlphanse]

I've noticed people disagreeing with my opinions a lot, too.

It's an epidemic and it must be stopped.

That's how most isms begin.

I guess we should expect Canada to be radicalized in the next couple of years...

"-31-ism"

 

[Cassano]

Or you just might have been overrating Girardi and underrating Callahan. There seems to be a ton of that going on around here lately.

Their roles are quite clear - one player is a staple on the top pair of an elite defensive team while the other is a 2nd line winger, current 3rd liner on this team. Tell me which player is more valuable or better.

I've noticed people disagreeing with my opinions a lot, too.

It's an epidemic and it must be stopped.

That's the norm here.

 

[NYR Sting]

I've noticed people disagreeing with my opinions a lot, too.

It's an epidemic and it must be stopped.

Opinions around here tend to be a funny thing. I remember a lot of people here having opinions about many major moves the Rangers have made over the last few years that conflicted with my own. Drury, Gomez, Redden come to mind. McIlrath/Tarasenko was another one, among others. A lot of those people appeared to end up changing their opinions later on.

Something tells me we'll see a similar sort of phenomenon happen a few years down the line regarding Callahan and the popular opinions being espoused around here these days.

Their roles are quite clear - one player is a staple on the top pair of an elite defensive team while the other is a 2nd line winger, current 3rd liner on this team. Tell me which player is more valuable or better.

One is a one-dimensional right handed defenseman on a team with a perennial lack of above-average right handers that has played in front of the best goaltender of his generation. The other, for about 4 years straight, was one of the best all-around forwards in the league, one of the best away from the puck players in the league, one of the best penalty killers in the league, and that's on top of being a solid offensive contributor on a perennially offensively-challened team. That's aside from the fact that he was consistently, night in and night out, the best player on this team not named Lundqvist. One of the biggest reasons the team was elite defensively, as well.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

By currently, you mean, this season? Because before this season, there was never a point where Girardi was better or more valuable than Callahan.

I think that's false. Two years ago Girardi was an All-Star and picked up some of the slack from Staal. Last season Callahan was on a bit of a decline, though so was Girardi. This year both have had rough spots. A top pairing defenseman in general is more important than a 2nd line winger. Granted Girardi is damn inconsistent and until the last couple of years Callahan was the model of consistency in his all around game.

 

[Thirty One]

Opinions around here tend to be a funny thing. I remember a lot of people here having opinions about many major moves the Rangers have made over the last few years that conflicted with my own. Drury, Gomez, Redden come to mind. McIlrath/Tarasenko was another one, among others. A lot of those people appeared to end up changing their opinions later on.

Something tells me we'll see a similar sort of phenomenon happen a few years down the line regarding Callahan and the popular opinions being espoused around here these days.

 

[NYR Sting]

Hey, if I'm that guy, than the majority of this board these days has become the Republican party in this country. I think it is a fair analogy: the mad horde with torches and pitchforks looking to take down the player that for years was everything you could want out of a player. The guy that did everything that was asked of him and helped drag generally bad teams into playoffs more times than not. The player that pretty much represents everything this fan base clamored years for: a homegrown, hardworking, loyal, leader that played for his team. The guy that earned the right to be paid while making up for so many overpaid losers.

Now, because he wants to cash in the chips he earned, he's a piece of **** and suddenly, people are very selective in their memory of the things he did in the past.

Yeah, I'm the crazy one . . .

 

[Thirty One]

Let's see here:

One is a one-dimensional right handed defenseman on a team with a perennial lack of above-average right handers that has played in front of the best goaltender of his generation.

One dimensional? Since the start of the 2010-11 season, Girardi has the 42nd most points among defensemen.

Remind me of the long list of above-average right wingers the Rangers have had during Callahan's time in NY.

And Callahan played in front of the very same goalie.

The other, for about 4 years straight, was one of the best all-around forwards in the league, one of the best away from the puck players in the league, one of the best penalty killers in the league

Well that is a list of massive exaggerations.

, and that's on top of being a solid offensive contributor on a perennially offensively-challened team.

So was Girardi.

That's aside from the fact that he was consistently, night in and night out, the best player on this team not named Lundqvist.

That's like your opinion, man.

One of the biggest reasons the team was elite defensively, as well.

But not Girardi?

In summary:

 

[SnowblindNYR]

Opinions around here tend to be a funny thing. I remember a lot of people here having opinions about many major moves the Rangers have made over the last few years that conflicted with my own. Drury, Gomez, Redden come to mind. McIlrath/Tarasenko was another one, among others. A lot of those people appeared to end up changing their opinions later on.

Something tells me we'll see a similar sort of phenomenon happen a few years down the line regarding Callahan and the popular opinions being espoused around here these days.



One is a one-dimensional right handed defenseman on a team with a perennial lack of above-average right handers that has played in front of the best goaltender of his generation. The other, for about 4 years straight, was one of the best all-around forwards in the league, one of the best away from the puck players in the league, one of the best penalty killers in the league, and that's on top of being a solid offensive contributor on a perennially offensively-challened team. That's aside from the fact that he was consistently, night in and night out, the best player on this team not named Lundqvist. One of the biggest reasons the team was elite defensively, as well.

You were right a couple of times, you want a cookie?

 

[Cassano]

Hey, if I'm that guy, than the majority of this board these days has become the Republican party in this country. I think it is a fair analogy: the mad horde with torches and pitchforks looking to take down the player that for years was everything you could want out of a player. The guy that did everything that was asked of him and helped drag generally bad teams into playoffs more times than not. The player that pretty much represents everything this fan base clamored years for: a homegrown, hardworking, loyal, leader that played for his team. The guy that earned the right to be paid while making up for so many overpaid losers.

Now, because he wants to cash in the chips he earned, he's a piece of **** and suddenly, people are very selective in their memory of the things he did in the past.

Yeah, I'm the crazy one . . .

Are we speaking about Henrik Lundqvist here though? No Ranger can have the acclaim of carrying teams into the playoffs except him. He's been compensated and is adored by the fanbase for the most part.

Ryan Callahan is a slightly above average player who gets love because he's the likable, blue-collar, chip-on-shoulder type player with a vanilla personality that the media loves. There is more attachment to him as a person than him as a player. I have never seen so much praise for an average player, that is until I saw the Klein love this season.

 

[Cassano]

There's no way in hell Callahan is one of the best 2-way players in the league or best away from the puck in a league with Crosby, Datsyuk, Zetterberg, Backes, Bergeron, Toews, Kopitar and Richards to name a few.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

How did this become a political conversation? Dear God.

 

[Thirty One]

Hey, if I'm that guy, than the majority of this board these days has become the Republican party in this country. I think it is a fair analogy: the mad horde with torches and pitchforks looking to take down the player that for years was everything you could want out of a player. The guy that did everything that was asked of him and helped drag generally bad teams into playoffs more times than not. The player that pretty much represents everything this fan base clamored years for: a homegrown, hardworking, loyal, leader that played for his team. The guy that earned the right to be paid while making up for so many overpaid losers.

Now, because he wants to cash in the chips he earned, he's a piece of **** and suddenly, people are very selective in their memory of the things he did in the past.

Yeah, I'm the crazy one . . .

I was referring to the smugness of that picture, not the person depicted in it. Discussion of politics is prohibited on this board.

I love Callahan, I think he has all those endearing qualities you listed. I'll be happy for him when he gets paid, but I hope to [religious statement redacted] it isn't by the Rangers.

I keep posting this graphic, and will continue to until the situation is resolved:

 

[SnowblindNYR]

Jesus people are really overrating a solid 2nd liner by like a lot. And by people I mean Sting.

 

[Thirty One]

You were right a couple of times, you want a cookie?

Everyone likes cookies, duh.

But I'm still wondering when everyone loved the McIlrath pick...

 

[BarbaraAlphanse]

Everyone likes cookies, duh.

But I'm still wondering when everyone loved the McIlrath pick...

I loved it. From the onset.

 

[NYR Sting]

Let's see here:
One dimensional? Since the start of the 2010-11 season, Girardi has the 42nd most points among defensemen.

Yeah, that great breakout pass, that accurate point shot, and that tremendous vision all come together to make Girardi a hell of an offensive defenseman. Not to mention the blazing speed.

Wouldn't that ranking indicate that he's not a particularly capable offensive contributor among top pair defensemen?

Remind me of the long list of above-average right wingers the Rangers have had during Callahan's time in NY.

Jaromir Jagr, Marian Gaborik, Rick Nash. I've never said Callahan is a first line player. That doesn't make him any less valuable. I'd argue that he was a far more valuable player to this team than Marian Gaborik was.

And Callahan played in front of the very same goalie.

Unlike Girardi, Callahan makes a positive defensive impact in all three zones. Especially since one is quite slow, and the other isn't.

Well that is a list of massive exaggerations.

I'll do this the 31 way, and regurgitate a frequently overused movie quote: that's, like, your opinion, man. I don't know how one can say that watching him play for his entire career. Stellar positioning and anticipation, above average speed, high energy, and relentless pursuit defensively.

In summary:

Boy, images sure do help mask hypocrisy. Let me know when you provide any evidence to support the conclusion that Ryan Callahan hasn't been a premier defensive forward in the league. Or that Dan Girardi was somehow more valuable to this team during the 2009-2013 period.

You were right a couple of times, you want a cookie?

No, but I'd be thrilled if people around here learned from their mistakes for a change. If people could remember things as they were, instead of as they choose to view them based on recent events, it would improve the discussion around here tenfold.

I'm not the one posting images to try and insult others or poke fun at them. That's being done in my direction, much as it was 7-8 years ago, when I had the audacity to tell the vast majority of posters here that I thought signing the aforementioned players was a huge mistake.

Are we speaking about Henrik Lundqvist here though? No Ranger can have the acclaim of carrying teams into the playoffs except him. He's been compensated and is adored by the fanbase for the most part.

Ryan Callahan is a slightly above average player who gets love because he's the likable, blue-collar, chip-on-shoulder type player with a vanilla personality that the media loves. There is more attachment to him as a person than him as a player. I have never seen so much praise for an average player, that is until I saw the Klein love this season.

I'm not the media, nor do I appreciate the implication that I'm the kind of gullible sap forming opinions based on what the media tells me to think. I'm a fan of intelligent players who make a positive impact for their team every shift, every game. I haven't seen a Ranger player besides Henrik Lundqvist that has consistently made a bigger positive impact for this team than Ryan Callahan in the last 15 years. I don't give a damn about his personality, or chips on his shoulder. My feelings toward Ryan Callahan revolve around the fact that he has spent virtually his entire time with this team doing everything he possibly could given his skillset to help his team win. I'm not saying that Dan Girardi hasn't, but Callahan's skillset, limited as it is, still allows him to do more than Girardi's even narrower one.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

Are we speaking about Henrik Lundqvist here though? No Ranger can have the acclaim of carrying teams into the playoffs except him. He's been compensated and is adored by the fanbase for the most part.

Ryan Callahan is a slightly above average player who gets love because he's the likable, blue-collar, chip-on-shoulder type player with a vanilla personality that the media loves. There is more attachment to him as a person than him as a player. I have never seen so much praise for an average player, that is until I saw the Klein love this season.

The reason people overrate Callahan is the reason they overrate Girardi (even though the latter has been the much better player for a while now). He's gritty. Players that are gritty are sort of flashy in their own little way. They stand out. A player like Stralman that is just solid doesn't get his due from the media because he just goes about his business. Callahan hits, blocks shots, and provides energy (or at least used to, doesn't do it that much the last couple of years). All 3 of those traits are important, but those are the type players that get overrated. It doesn't matter how effective a player is otherwise, if he hits and blocks shots people love him. The other trait is fighting. If a guy fights and hits, it doesn't matter if he sucks the masses will rather have him than a "soft" player who is actually better at hockey.