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Yes, losing Staal would be an immediate step back. The Rangers are likely to find out that there is a price to pay for success.
Speculation: Trade / Roster Speculation Thread XXXIV: Over the edge of being a little closer.
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Yes, losing Staal would be an immediate step back. The Rangers are likely to find out that there is a price to pay for success.
Ola, thanks, I hope my process of elimination can lead to some worthwhile, constructive debate.
BTW, no harm no foul,
but if you check, I was going for
KREIDER w/ Miller w MSL ---- speed, speed, speed
Had Hags with his fellows Swedes --- Hagelin - Lindberg - Fast
so we were on the same page there!
Finally!
Another vote for giving our young uns every chance.
I see Lindberg, Miller, Fast pushing out Richards, Dorsett; expect someone else also to be traded.
Ideal, sure, but not realistic.
Waiting to unload legit valuable assets usually diminishes their value, and risks injury during that extra year/2.
Outside the core --- McD, Kreider --- who returns the biggest profit?
We pump that profit back into our roster and our system.
The Hawks are doing it, so can we.
Ail
Based and Rangerspilled.
If, and these are big ifs, a few of the prospects came up and blossomed in to some bonified top 6 talent next year, I could see them considering moving players if they thought they were going to be expendable. This is hardly likely let aloned gauranteed. Especially if this team makes the finals. I think Richards is the only player whose future is certain regardless.
Concur to the extent Richards due to $ numbers is a no brainer, regardless of his play, and other than that, there are no guarantees; there is risk with several if not all of the decision paths we could take.
The ? is to choose the one that makes the most sense on paper beforehand at the time. You could still have a bazinga moment, but at least you took your best shot.
Tawnos
A guy with a bass
Yeah, I've been advocating not replacing Richards and letting Miller and Lindberg duke it out for the 3C spot. Resign D Moore and he can hold it down until the deadline if neither pan out.
The ESPN story was written by a Hockey Prospectus writer
Ryan O'Reilly
Brayden Schenn
Reilly Smith
Mats Zuccarello
http://insider.espn.go.com/nhl/story/_/id/10858604/ryan-oreilly-top-rfa-targets-offseason-nhl
That $55M includes Miller and Fasth. Its $53,187,500 for 12 players. 6 forwards. 4 D. 2 G.
Ryan O'Reilly
Brayden Schenn
Reilly Smith
Mats Zuccarello
http://insider.espn.go.com/nhl/story/_/id/10858604/ryan-oreilly-top-rfa-targets-offseason-nhl
That $55M includes Miller and Fasth. Its $53,187,500 for 12 players. 6 forwards. 4 D. 2 G.
offdacrossbar
misfit fanboy
if im making a list of who we keep, the little zuke man is at the top of that list.
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Idlerlee
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Any chance you could paste the Zucc portion of that article ? Since it costs money to read the entire thing and all
Depending on which team extends the offer sheet, that 1st could be a realistic shot at McDavid. It probably would, as there aren't many contenders who'd throw 6M at Zucc. I'd still like to keep him obviously, but that's a hard decision.
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Vinny DeAngelo
Jimmy Easy to defend
Any chance we make a move for the 1st overall pick? I kno Florida is willing to trade it. And anyone worth taking there if we do move up?
nsvoyageurs
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I'd be stunned if a team did. It would be insanity. If they do, there is no way I match it, especially since that would tie up their cap beyond sanity. Even if they did have the cap space, I still wouldn't match it. Save the money and get the pick(s).
He's a good player, been productive recently, but not worth 6M per year for 6 years.
Inferno
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6x6? goodbye Zuuc
I think Zuuc gets a 3.5-4mil a year contract. hes worth that...not much more..not to us anyways, when he's got 2 superstar RWers ahead of him...besides, look at what MSL makes...guys are gonna have to take discounts to stay...end of story. it may cost us years instead of dollars to keep some guys.
I think Zuuc gets a 3.5-4mil a year contract. hes worth that...not much more..not to us anyways, when he's got 2 superstar RWers ahead of him...besides, look at what MSL makes...guys are gonna have to take discounts to stay...end of story. it may cost us years instead of dollars to keep some guys.
Yeah, I don't see anyone offer sheeting Slats to start with.
Zucc can go to arbitration, he won't have to wait for a offer sheet. It seems like there is some extreme amature behind that article. Zucc will file for arbitration if not signed, just in case. And a player has to file for arbitration on July 5th if I remember correctly. Like 8 players have signed an offer sheet after the lockout (almost 9 years). The only player who did it in close connection to July 1 was David Backes. You at least want to wait where you can make an offer that cannot be matched by a team without making room under the cap.
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Yeah, but this is the downside with Slats extreme reluctance to resign players to longer contracts.
Strålman could easily have been resigned by now, and then traded like at the draft. Now, we don't have all that many players to trade that would recoup assets. Staal, Zucc, Brass and Klein are basically the only players that would save us some money and could be moved. Dorsett too maybe, but we are talking about like 800k at the most with him. I mean, Step is so cheap that we basically don't save anything by trading him. The rest can't be moved.
That would cost at least one core piece and then some. We're in the ECF right now, so there really is no point in dismantling the current team to get the 1st overall.
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I'd like to sign Kreider to more than a bridge deal, but that could be difficult if we want to keep most of the team together - which I do because I love this team (and not just because of their recent success in the playoffs).
Hypothetical summer:
Re-sign Zucc, Brass, and Kreider to multi-year deals worth an average of $4M.
Re-sign Strålman to a multi-year deal with an AAV of $3.7M.
Re-sign Pouliot to a 2-3 year deal with an AAV of $2.3M.
Re-sign Boyle to his current AAV of $1.7M.
May not be feasible, but remember that he got his current deal on the back of a 21G season which he hasn't come close to since.
Re-sign John Moore to a 2-year deal with an AAV of $1.2M.
Re-sign Diaz and Carcillo to 1-year contracts of $1M.
Trade Dorsett to a team obsessed with "character" (like Edmonton) for a decent pick.
Dominic Moore will likely be too expensive to keep, in the long term you can't tie up too much money in your 4th line. Especially if you're paying a 3rd pairing D almost $3M.
Promote Miller, Lindberg, and Fast.
This gives us:
Considering that the cap will likely be in the $69M-$70M range, we may be over.
Remedies may be a bridge deal for Kreider in the $2.5M range, cheaper contracts for Carcillo/Diaz (or letting one/both go), or trading Klein for futures and go for a Moore-Diaz 3rd pairing.
Hypothetical summer:
Re-sign Zucc, Brass, and Kreider to multi-year deals worth an average of $4M.
Re-sign Strålman to a multi-year deal with an AAV of $3.7M.
Re-sign Pouliot to a 2-3 year deal with an AAV of $2.3M.
Re-sign Boyle to his current AAV of $1.7M.
May not be feasible, but remember that he got his current deal on the back of a 21G season which he hasn't come close to since.
Re-sign John Moore to a 2-year deal with an AAV of $1.2M.
Re-sign Diaz and Carcillo to 1-year contracts of $1M.
Trade Dorsett to a team obsessed with "character" (like Edmonton) for a decent pick.
Dominic Moore will likely be too expensive to keep, in the long term you can't tie up too much money in your 4th line. Especially if you're paying a 3rd pairing D almost $3M.
Promote Miller, Lindberg, and Fast.
This gives us:
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CAPGEEK.COM ARMCHAIR GM ROSTER
CapGeek Armchair GM Roster
FORWARDS
Carl Hagelin ($2.250m) / Derek Stepan ($3.075m) / Rick Nash ($7.800m)
Benoit Pouliot ($2.300m) / Derick Brassard ($4.000m) / Mats Zuccarello ($4.000m)
Chris Kreider ($4.000m) / J.T. Miller ($0.894m) / Martin St. Louis ($5.625m)
Brian Boyle ($1.700m) / Oscar Lindberg ($0.675m) / Jesper Fast ($0.805m)
Daniel Carcillo ($1.000m) /
DEFENSEMEN
Dan Girardi ($5.500m) / Ryan McDonagh ($4.700m)
Marc Staal ($3.975m) / Anton Stralman ($3.700m)
John Moore ($1.200m) / Kevin Klein ($2.900m)
Raphael Diaz ($1.000m) /
GOALTENDERS
Henrik Lundqvist ($8.500m)
Cameron Talbot ($0.563m)
BUYOUTS
Wade Redden ($0.000m)
Brad Richards ($0.000m)
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(estimations for 2014-15)
SALARY CAP: $71,100,000; CAP PAYROLL: $70,161,667; BONUSES: $530,000
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $938,333Considering that the cap will likely be in the $69M-$70M range, we may be over.
Remedies may be a bridge deal for Kreider in the $2.5M range, cheaper contracts for Carcillo/Diaz (or letting one/both go), or trading Klein for futures and go for a Moore-Diaz 3rd pairing.
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