Speculation: Trade / Roster Speculation Thread XXXIII: Clever Title Pending

[GAGLine]

Why would we add to Hagelin to get Wilson? Why would we trade Hagelin for him at all? I get wanting to get bigger, but Hagelin is a better overall player.

As for Burmistrov, I wouldn't give up Moore for him. What has Burmistrov proven other than he'll bolt to the KHL when things don't go his way?

These are 2 players that we should be buying low on. Trading Hagelin and Moore isn't buying low.

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

that's such a crock.

but if you feel like it fulfills your agenda so be it.
hes not putting up points but hes getting chances, grade a chances. hes also setting his teammates up for grade a chances.

he's playing well.

to me, he's passing the eyeball test.

Nash is an extremely talented player, but doesn't have much of a motor.

The Columbus game is one of a handful where he was engaged and a force every shift.

Maybe its your eyeball test thats a crock when it comes to this subject.

 

[Fitzy]

Nash's play is acceptable, and only acceptable, because of they way the rest of the team has performed. It's been offense by committee.

Frankly, it's better that we're built that way, rather than leaning on Gaborik like in 2010 or 2012. But in any other year, this would be considered terribly unacceptable from such a high priced player that we traded so much to get.

He has a chance to make up for it by having a big playoffs. Tight checking games is where we'll need his size to break through on numerous occasions.

 

[Mikos87]

They have those players on the way with Murray and Johansen, just early in their development. They are going to be VERY good.

You're right, as soon as those two physically mature, they are STL East.

Ryan Murray is one of the smartest players in the league, as he gains some experience he will be a top tier minute muncher.

Basically if John Moore was emotionally mature and stable, with a higher IQ you have Ryan Murray.

 

[Ola]

Foligno available in Buffalo according to Garroich.

That is a player I wouldn't mind going after, to like "replace" Brian Boyle.

We need size and toughness, but I think there is a destinct risk that if we look at established players, we will get someone who is a bit over the top, who isn't hungry enough anymore, who is injury prone, who is too expensive etc. On the other hand of the spectra, its almost impossible to find someone who is "ready" to play on -- preferbly -- a top 2 line and bring size, toughness and some scoring.

However, looking back at these type of players, its not at all unusual that they come from behind real fast and establish themselves, often for better teams too. Like Stewert in Philly, for example.

Guys like Zucc, MSL, Brassard and co would definitely let a young PF play to his strength. I wouldn't at all mind taking a gamble on a player or two like Foligno, slot them in on the 4th line to start with, and see if they can work their way up.

 

[Raspewtin]

Even if he's supposedly available I don't see Buffalo trading Foligno.

 

[NYR Viper]

Foligno available in Buffalo according to Garroich.

That is a player I wouldn't mind going after, to like "replace" Brian Boyle.

We need size and toughness, but I think there is a destinct risk that if we look at established players, we will get someone who is a bit over the top, who isn't hungry enough anymore, who is injury prone, who is too expensive etc. On the other hand of the spectra, its almost impossible to find someone who is "ready" to play on -- preferbly -- a top 2 line and bring size, toughness and some scoring.

However, looking back at these type of players, its not at all unusual that they come from behind real fast and establish themselves, often for better teams too. Like Stewert in Philly, for example.

Guys like Zucc, MSL, Brassard and co would definitely let a young PF play to his strength. I wouldn't at all mind taking a gamble on a player or two like Foligno, slot them in on the 4th line to start with, and see if they can work their way up.

Ideal candidate as a 3LW IMO. Big, plays a hard-nosed game with some sandpaper. His brother is a good 2/3LW as well. Same size. Same type of player.

 

[Ola]

Ideal candidate as a 3LW IMO. Big, plays a hard-nosed game with some sandpaper. His brother is a good 2/3LW as well. Same size. Same type of player.

Agreed, and these guys needs an opertunity to play in to take that final step and I think we are getting closer to providing that opertunity, given how we have developed our puck-possession game.

 

[Ola]

I would maybe think about making the following type of structural changes to our line-up next season.

1. Buy-out Brad Richards.

2. Let Strålman walk and use Carl Hagelin and John Moore as trade chips to get the players below/recover picks.

3. Get a young PF like Foligno.

4. Get an offensiveminded LD, PPQB. Markov? Pitkänen (he "should" be healthy come next season)??? The more offense, the better.

Nash-Step-MSL
Kreider-Brass-Zucc
Pouliot-Miller-Foligno
Carcillo-Moore-Dorsett
Fast/Lindberg
McD-Girardi
Staal-Diaz
"Markov/Pitkänen"-Klein
Allen/McIlrath

 

[Mikos87]

The guy that would be an interesting pick up is Craig Smith from Nashville. Colin Wilson is a 3rd liner, and there isn't going to be an offensive breakout for him.

Craig Smith plays RW in NSH and played center ahead of Stepan at Wisconsin. To me he is a poor man's Seguin, with a very similar skill set, except Seguin has 5 star tools across the board, while Smith is a 3-4 star player across the board. A move to center might cause an offensive break out.

The other center I'd look into is Bryan Little out of WPG. The Rangers need a replacement for Richards after the buyout, and a younger center capable of 2nd line productivity with upside is an absolute must if this team wants to take the next step.

I'm not in favor of moving Hagelin, who has 17 goals and not playing PP time and missing a chunk of the season. His skill set isn't as noticeable on this years team since the whole team plays fast, but the recent trend on this board seems like it wants to move all the homegrown talent for the "greener" pastures from other organizations, which pretty much has been Slat's MO since the Nash deal.

If you look at all the homegrown talent that was on the 11-12 team or guys that made the NHL as Rangers, and look at the roster now, there's been a lot of turnover.

 

[Raspewtin]

Ideal candidate as a 3LW IMO. Big, plays a hard-nosed game with some sandpaper. His brother is a good 2/3LW as well. Same size. Same type of player.

Nick Foligno is 6' 210 while Marcus is 6' 3" 221. Marcus plays a lot more of a powerforward game. Foligno is tough too, but Marcus has more of a mean streak.

 

[Ola]

I agree with you on Hagelin Mikos, but if we are to add size to the lineup, who is coming out of the top 9?
If BR is bough out, we are looking at the following top 9 as a starting point:
Zucc
Nash
MSL
Step
Brass
Pouliot
Hagelin
JT Miller
Kreider

Someone has to come out to make room for that size. I don't want it to be Pouliot. Hagelin, if traded, would bring a good return. Step/Brass/Miller are centers, we aren't finding size at center that will work in AVs system and help us in a top 9 role. Its impossible. Zucc is a must resign. For me it comes down to Kreider or Hags, and I would rather keep Kreider. We are too small as is, and there is plenty of teams that plays more of a dump and chase style and Hags are just more important to them than to us.

I've also had it with the LD/RD crap, we need to get three right shooting Ds and three left shooting Ds. I like Diaz, I definitely think he can handle a top 4 role playing to a steady partner like Staal. He is new to our team and has been just fine. Give him some time and he will only get better. He has the little extra edge that Strålman has failed to provide this season. There is still some time, maybe Strålman will turn it around and start to add some offense. But I want more than he have provided so far...

 

[NYR Viper]

Nick Foligno is 6' 210 while Marcus is 6' 3" 221. Marcus plays a lot more of a powerforward game. Foligno is tough too, but Marcus has more of a mean streak.

They play similar styles though do they not? Nick is a bit faster,Marcus is a bit bigger. Similar styles though. In your face, drive to the net. Score dirty goals.

 

[Raspewtin]

They play similar styles though do they not? Nick is a bit faster,Marcus is a bit bigger. Similar styles though. In your face, drive to the net. Score dirty goals.

Again, I'd say Marcus is a more of an abusive player than Nick. Nick reminds me more of Callahan, while with Marcus I think of someone like a bigger Wayne Simmonds. They do a lot of the same core things though.

If we we're going to get one of them, I'd rather Marcus.

 

[NYR Viper]

Again, I'd say Marcus is a more of an abusive player than Nick. Nick reminds me more of Callahan, while with Marcus I think of someone like a bigger Wayne Simmonds. They do a lot of the same core things though.

If we we're going to get one of them, I'd rather Marcus.

Agreed, especially because Nick is older and on a larger contract.

 

[Raspewtin]

Agreed, especially because Nick is older and on a larger contract.

That being said, I absolutely don't see this Lucic-lite potential that a lot of Sabres fans think he has. Think he maxes out as a 40, maybe 50 point once middle sixer. I imagine he wouldn't be cheap to acquire either.

 

[NYR Viper]

That being said, I absolutely don't see this Lucic-lite potential that a lot of Sabres fans think he has. Think he maxes out as a 40, maybe 50 point once middle sixer. I imagine he wouldn't be cheap to acquire either.

I don't think he ever sees above 40 points. But a 40 point, 100 PIM LWer is still a solid asset.

I don't think he'd cost a ton. Most organizations have players like him and he didn't exactly set the world on fire this past season.

 

[Inferno]

i dont get why so many people are eager to get rid of Hagelin. Kid is a different maker, even if he isnt putting up points.

backchecks, plays the PK, maybe our best forechecker.

i have absolutely no interest at all in trading him.

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

i dont get why so many people are eager to get rid of Hagelin. Kid is a different maker, even if he isnt putting up points.

backchecks, plays the PK, maybe our best forechecker.

i have absolutely no interest at all in trading him.

Hes been around for 3 seasons now and theres a lot less shine on him is probably a leading reason.

The huge problems at LW automatically make him more valuable to this team.

 

[TheTakedown]

You're right, as soon as those two physically mature, they are STL East.

Ryan Murray is one of the smartest players in the league, as he gains some experience he will be a top tier minute muncher.

Basically if John Moore was emotionally mature and stable, with a higher IQ you have Ryan Murray.

Its too bad we can't send Moore to the minors for development... Kid has such potential, but I've been seeing it month after month how dumb the kid is. When Joe made that comment about Moore taking notes for ulfie, he mentioned how far off Moore's notes were from Ulfie's... Once he matures he'll be McDonough lite for sure.. But for now he's got quite a road to go down

 

[GAGLine]

I agree with you on Hagelin Mikos, but if we are to add size to the lineup, who is coming out of the top 9?
If BR is bough out, we are looking at the following top 9 as a starting point:
Zucc
Nash
MSL
Step
Brass
Pouliot
Hagelin
JT Miller
Kreider

Someone has to come out to make room for that size. I don't want it to be Pouliot. Hagelin, if traded, would bring a good return. Step/Brass/Miller are centers, we aren't finding size at center that will work in AVs system and help us in a top 9 role. Its impossible. Zucc is a must resign. For me it comes down to Kreider or Hags, and I would rather keep Kreider.

We are weaker on the left side than the right. MSL won't be here forever. In fact, it's very likely that he's only here for 1 more year. So why would we trade Hagelin? We aren't getting a bigger Hagelin in return and we don't have the assets to package with Hagelin for a player like that.

When MSL leaves or retires, replace him with a bigger player.

 

[Vidic15*]

We are weaker on the left side than the right. MSL won't be here forever. In fact, it's very likely that he's only here for 1 more year. So why would we trade Hagelin? We aren't getting a bigger Hagelin in return and we don't have the assets to package with Hagelin for a player like that.

When MSL leaves or retires, replace him with a bigger player.

MSL has stated he wants a new contract once his current one is up after next season.

 

[LeetchisGod]

MSL has stated he wants a new contract once his current one is up after next season.

I've been pretty unimpressed with him so far. He'll need to show a lot more in the playoffs and next season.

 

[Doctyl]

I've been pretty unimpressed with him so far. He'll need to show a lot more in the playoffs and next season.

So you wouldn't resign MSL as of now if his contract was up this season?

 

[RangerBoy]

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