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shinchanyo said:
People said Richards would continue to play elite too...Kristo is the right prospect to let go but I don't know about letting hagelin go. Raher let another 2nd and a 1st go. We can only hope our late 1st/2nd becomes hagelin. And seriously ******* yourself sather why is callahan even still here. It's ridiculous. Can't even get a good C prospect or RD?
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Isn't the bolded, like, an oxymoron?

Perhaps he hasn't been dealt because he doesn't want to give him away? We don't need a RD, we have 3 solid RD right now. Unless Stralman is dealt.

Speaking of which, would you guys deal Stralman to Phoenix for Rundblad and a pick (I don't know, 3rd? 5th?)?
 
pld459666 said:
Stastny is an upgrade at center over Stepan, Brassard and the puke he would be replacing in Richards.

Would improve our puck possession game, overall team speed and is better defensively than both Richards and Brassard and a slight notch behind Stepan in that regards.

I think Stastny would do well in the system we play. Do I expect him to get back to his 70+ point seasons? prolly not, but I can see him duplicating what we were getting from Richards but being better at every other aspect of the game while being 6 years younger.
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But getting what we have in Richards...for an extra $1M in cap hit and another 7 years...is that what you want to spend $7.5M on?
 
jerseyjinx94 said:
Isn't the bolded, like, an oxymoron?

Perhaps he hasn't been dealt because he doesn't want to give him away? We don't need a RD, we have 3 solid RD right now. Unless Stralman is dealt.

Speaking of which, would you guys deal Stralman to Phoenix for Rundblad and a pick (I don't know, 3rd? 5th?)?
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Eh, Rundblad didn't look too special in the AHL games I watched this past weekend.

I'd do Stralman and Cally to Anaheim for Vatenen and a pick though. Only if Stralman is going to be traded or not retained.
 
jerseyjinx94 said:
But getting what we have in Richards...for an extra $1M in cap hit and another 7 years...is that what you want to spend $7.5M on?
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Stastny over Richards:

we improve defensively.

we improve team speed.

we improve our puck possession

Yes, I believe that the improvements in those areas of the game warrant an additional 1 million in actual salary and JUST .3% in terms of cap hit difference from this year to next.

In fact, I would trust Stastny witht he #1 center spot over Stepan. While Stepan may be a better defensive player, Stastny is clearly a better offensive player and this team needs responsible offensive players which is what Stastny is.
 
shinchanyo said:
People said Richards would continue to play elite too...Kristo is the right prospect to let go but I don't know about letting hagelin go. Raher let another 2nd and a 1st go. We can only hope our late 1st/2nd becomes hagelin. And seriously ******* yourself sather why is callahan even still here. It's ridiculous. Can't even get a good C prospect or RD?
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we weren't getting a 29 year old Brad Richards.

those people were fools
 
Has there ever been a report linking Stastny to the Rangers, or is the belief that if we throw enough money at him, he will come here?
 
I get why people don't want Stastny, I just gave a feeling with Nash and Kreider on his wings he will be a 60-70 pt two way center JMO and yes I know he will be overpaid because of the market
 
DudMan28 said:
Has there ever been a report linking Stastny to the Rangers, or is the belief that if we throw enough money at him, he will come here?
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I'm never of the mindset that you throw as much as you can at someone.

I look at the situation that we can offer him in terms of being a top 2 line center.

With Matt D and Nate MacKinnon in Colorado, they are not going to want to pay Stastny to be the teams 3rd line pivot and the fact is, he's more than that.

In NY, he's goin to be the teams best offensive center so the odds are that he mans the top line. He's a better pure passer than Stepan meaning that he will also get prime PP minutes as well.

Don't get me wrong, we will have to throw a 6 year deal at him for 7.5 per at least.

there will be other teams lining up to sign him, so the odds of the Rangers getting him are very limited.

He should be an option to replace Brad's spot on the team and Stepan as the teams top line center.
 
DudMan28 said:
Has there ever been a report linking Stastny to the Rangers, or is the belief that if we throw enough money at him, he will come here?
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It's just assumed. A Richards buy out leaves a significant hole at C, a position of weakness. Stepan, Brassard, Miller, Boyle/Moore/Lindberg.

Yuck. I don't want Seven Million Stastny, but the Rangers will be against it regarding center and that will assure Brassard gets paid as well. Unless they make a surprise big move, don't be shocked if they're hard after Stastny.
 
Now that I've had the night to sleep on it, although I find the reported TB deal very tempting from a pure value point of view, at the end of the day I don't do it (unless the prospect coming back from TB is one of their top 5-7, which I highly doubt it would be).

In the end, it's still a "win now" move - that I frankly don't think results in the Rangers winning now.

Whereas it does detract from the Rangers' chances of winning over the long haul. Yes, Hagelin tops out as a 3rd liner, but he's an excellent 3rd liner, who can slot up and down the lineup as needed, with many great years of hockey ahead of him; Kristo is a good offensive prospect and, while we are running a high risk of losing him as a Group 6 UFA next summer, he could still be traded for other pieces to a team like Buffalo or Florida that can get him the requisite number of games played in order to retain his rights; and a second round pick has real value, especially to a team like the Rangers that have dealt away 1/4 of their picks over the last four years, including both their 1st and 2nd last year.

I have no problem dealing any one of those assets, but until we acquire the core pieces we're missing they should only be used in order to get those pieces.

Furthermore, I'm terrified of what such a deal would signal regarding the organization's overall strategy. If we deal for MSL, does it become all about his "window"? Are we going to pony up for Kesler? Re-sign Callahan? Keep Drury? I really don't like the dominoes I see lined up behind this one...

So, while I believe the proposed transaction as it was reported would be excellent value for the Rangers, I still don't think it's the right move. (Again, unless you're getting one of their better kids along with MSL.)
 
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pld459666 said:
I'm never of the mindset that you throw as much as you can at someone.

I look at the situation that we can offer him in terms of being a top 2 line center.

With Matt D and Nate MacKinnon in Colorado, they are not going to want to pay Stastny to be the teams 3rd line pivot and the fact is, he's more than that.

In NY, he's goin to be the teams best offensive center so the odds are that he mans the top line. He's a better pure passer than Stepan meaning that he will also get prime PP minutes as well.

Don't get me wrong, we will have to throw a 6 year deal at him for 7.5 per at least.

there will be other teams lining up to sign him, so the odds of the Rangers getting him are very limited.

He should be an option to replace Brad's spot on the team and Stepan as the teams top line center.
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I thought Mackinnon was a LW?

Either way, at what point do high profile FA's start to not want to come here for fear of getting chased out of town?
 
I would by no means by quick I move Hagelin, but he has really disappointed this year.

A line built around Hags and Cally should excel on the forecheck and keeping opponents pinned in. That has not happened regularly enough at all.

Hagelin just has not won battles this year the way he used to. When was te last time he threw a hit? The elbow on Alfie? He has not been his usual tenacious self.
 
White Plains Batman said:
Eh, Rundblad didn't look too special in the AHL games I watched this past weekend.
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Agreed. I've only watched about 4 Pirates games (and I turned off the last one where the Pack got blown out :)) but neither Rundblad nor Gormley impressed me much. Of the defensemen on that team, Murphy is the one I would want. (And among the forwards I liked Martinook. I think he's got nice upside as a physical 2nd/3rd liner with some offense, good net front presence and faceoff skills.)

White Plains Batman said:
I'd do Stralman and Cally to Anaheim for Vatenen and a pick though. Only if Stralman is going to be traded or not retained.
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Yes, please. Hell, if we can get a bidding war going, see if we can't get one of the forwards from Norfolk as well. DSP, Noesen, Rakell, Etem - they've got a slew that would be good gets.
 
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DudMan28 said:
I thought Mackinnon was a LW?

Either way, at what point do high profile FA's start to not want to come here for fear of getting chased out of town?
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that is a myth.

Players don't care as long as they get paid.

People thought the same thing about the Flyers and long term contracts.

they have had no problems post the Carter fiasco
 
pld459666 said:
we weren't getting a 29 year old Brad Richards.

those people were fools
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Don 't have to tell me. I was very hopeful once we signed him but felt many reservations about a guy that old with the bad concussion and resulting poor 2nd half of the season going into FA. Not to mention our coaching and talent was very different from Dallas's. I appreciate that we went for it though but unfortunately the FO and many fans bet on the wrong horse(s).

Though many were fooled by Richards I can't call any1 a fool based on one incorrect opinion formed due to legitimate reasons. If Callahan craps out I would certainly call any1 who is surprised a fool. Some people who want to keep callahan seem to be arguing that the extra 2 mil we piss away on him isn;t a big deal and that's true but the 6 mil total IS a big deal especially if guys like Miller and/or Fast can combine with players like Stepan, Boyle, Hags, MZA to do all of the PK, ES, forecheck and PP things at a severely reduced cost. Just bc Sather will prob ******* up on something later on does not mean we should ******* up now with something everyone can plainly see. Hell in this season the fanbase should have already seen that as his game declined a combo of several other guys have picked up the slack.

I don't get too sentimental or attached to sports stars so it makes it easier for me to say this than someone who does get attached. Some of the proponents of keeping Callahan clearly have a sentimentality/bias which makes me feel more comfortable about losing him
 
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HatTrick Swayze said:
I would by no means by quick I move Hagelin, but he has really disappointed this year.

A line built around Hags and Cally should excel on the forecheck and keeping opponents pinned in. That has not happened regularly enough at all.

Hagelin just has not won battles this year the way he used to. When was te last time he threw a hit? The elbow on Alfie? He has not been his usual tenacious self.
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How much of this can we attribute to his linemates? That's not Richards' game at all and Cally hasn't been the same player he was two years ago. Dump Richie, trade Cally (or even sign him, much as I would hate that) and I think you start to see more of the "old" Hagelin.
 
jerseyjinx94 said:
But getting what we have in Richards...for an extra $1M in cap hit and another 7 years...is that what you want to spend $7.5M on?
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The thing with Stastny, in 7 years he will be 35. In 7 years Richards will be 41. Additionally, if we structure the deal right and things don't work out, he can be dealt as we won't have to face a recapture penalty like with Richards.

There is more than one upside to replacing Stastny with Richards. I know there are some here who are very against it but I do think it makes sense. I for one am not comfortable with having our Top 3 centers be Stepan, Brassard and Miller.

I would rather Sign Stastny, package up Stepan/Brassard for a top good top 6 winger and call it a day.
 
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