HatTrick Swayze
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I strongly disagree that Girardi is clearly the odd man out and "worst defenseman".
Unless we are only talking about the last 20 games.
Unless we are only talking about the last 20 games.
Speculation: Trade Proposals Thread
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Tawnos
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Agreed. Plus, Del Zotto has never looked "great" playing on the right side. More like "barely adequate"
I think, out of the top 4, hes clearly the most expendable if you take the side he plays out of the equation and look at it from a pure talent standpoint. Although, Im not enamored with Del Zotto's monthly implosion games.
I watch Girardi play and I respect his game, but I just dont think he does anything exceptionally well. His ability to chew up minutes is his best attribute.
Holocene
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20 games? He's been bad all season. Just looks lost out there sometimes chasing guys around and getting out of position, can never get the puck out of the zone without icing it, constantly turning the puck over. Who exactly is he better than out of McD, Staal and MDZ?
Carolina hasn't made the playoffs since 2009. They are moving into a tough division with realignment. Can they compete financially with their new division rivals? They are a budget team. Semin got a new deal and they had to clear money in the budget. Pitt wasn't stupid trading Jordan to Carolina. They will have a tough time in the division. 3 teams make the playoffs. 2 wildcards in each conference. 5 teams can make it in 1 division. Is Carolina a top 5 team in the new division next season? No. They need everything to break right.
Tawnos
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I think Carolina is better than they're record this season indicates. They're the team bitten by injuries in the East this season. Dan Ellis is a good starter when needed, but he clearly wasn't ready to come back from injury. As for Cam Ward, well, imagine what we would be like if Lundqvist got hurt. Or Montreal if Price got hurt.
Faulk's been injured. Pitkanen's been injured. Ruutu's been injured. Larose's been injured. Skinner, Corvo, Gleason, Sanguinetti have all missed 5+ games with injuries. It's been a tough year.
Also, their goaltending injuries happened to coincide with a horrible streak of bad puck luck.
Faulk's been injured. Pitkanen's been injured. Ruutu's been injured. Larose's been injured. Skinner, Corvo, Gleason, Sanguinetti have all missed 5+ games with injuries. It's been a tough year.
Also, their goaltending injuries happened to coincide with a horrible streak of bad puck luck.
Rangers. Pitt. Flyers. Caps. Islanders. Devils. Canes. Jackets. 3 teams can make the playoffs in each division. Bruins. Habs. Sens. Leafs. Wings. Sabres. Panthers. Lightning. 2 wildcards per conference. 16 teams. 8 make it. Carolina is making the playoffs in that set-up?
Thumpz
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If Carolina called on Staal and started with their first and Faulk, I certainly wouldn't be hanging up. If you can get them to bite and add in someone like Dalpe or even Rask I don't really see how you can say no. That pick has a good chance of being top 3, and in this draft that would be monstrous.
That said, not a chance in hell it happens.
That said, not a chance in hell it happens.
Tawnos
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Realistically, rangers have 3 options, sign him, trade him, or lose him for nothing. Re-signing him is going to cost upward of 6 million. I don't think any of us want to trade him, but as many posters pointed out, we might not have a choice.
I don't think Carolina does a deal where a top 5 pick is involved, although if any team were to move their pick, i could see them being the team that does it. A deal like this would obviously make us weaker right now, but potentially stronger in the long run. Is it worth the risk? Who knows...i'd rather stick to playing GM on nhl13 than be in charge of having to make decisions like this.
On a side note though, I know the Staals are all close, but it doesn't seem like marc really cares if he plays with his bros or not. He played in Sudbury instead of Peterborough and plays D instead of C, he chose his own path instead of doing what jordan did and that is to be like big bro eric. Im sure it would intrigue him but it wouldn't be a deal breaker in my eyes.
OverTheCap
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I understand why Carolina would be interested in trading for Staal, but the obsession that some Rangers fans have with shipping him off to Carolina is mindboggling.
The whole "well one of the defenseman has to go so why not Staal?" argument just goes to show how undervalued Staal is. Staal is the best defenseman on this team, Girardi and Del Zotto aren't even in the same class as him. McDonagh is close but not there yet. Sather drove Staal to his doctor's appointments - it's quite obvious the Rangers organization view him as a very important player and they aren't going to part with him unless he wants out.
The whole "well one of the defenseman has to go so why not Staal?" argument just goes to show how undervalued Staal is. Staal is the best defenseman on this team, Girardi and Del Zotto aren't even in the same class as him. McDonagh is close but not there yet. Sather drove Staal to his doctor's appointments - it's quite obvious the Rangers organization view him as a very important player and they aren't going to part with him unless he wants out.
NYR Viper
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I disagree. I think the thinking, at least mine, has more to do with the fact that Staal may WANT to leave anyways and play with his brothers. If that is the case, why not get something for him?
OverTheCap
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I can't picture him demanding a trade to Carolina, and Sather is definitely not going to trade him unless he is 100% certain that Staal wants to play in Carolina. Even if Staal wants to play with his brothers, he is better off leaving as a free agent and using the Rangers as leverage to get in a bidding war with Carolina. Which brings up another point - Carolina may not have enough money to pay for all 3 Staal brothers.
JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK
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That's complete speculation and not backed with any facts whatsoever.
The whole "oh, Jordan Staal went to Carolina to play with his brother" is so overblown. Him being traded had as much to do with the fact that he wanted out of Pittsburgh and out of Crosby/Malkin's shadows as him "wanting to play with his brother". People forget the Rangers almost traded for Staal at the draft.
NYR Viper
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It is speculation. Like most things in this thread.
The Rangers goal should be to not lose any assets for nothing via UFA. That is a terrible business plan.
OverTheCap
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Agreed.
I think we will have to wait until July 1, 2015 to find out what Staal's true intentions are.
NYR Viper
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That's probably the worst route for the Rangers to take out of all of this. Either re-sign him, or trade him. Why potentially lose a significant asset like Staal?
OverTheCap
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So they should trade away a talent like Staal based on speculation? That's also a terrible business plan. Might as well trade Hank now too, he may want to leave when he hits free agency.
The Rangers goal isn't to lose assets for nothing, it's to win the cup, and they likely feel that Staal is going to be a big part in making that happen in the remainder of his contract.
NYR Viper
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Where are you getting this, "just trade him away!!" from? You attempt to work on an extension ahead of time. The Penguins just did that with Jordan. If you get the feeling from him and the agent that they may want to leave, see what you can get.
The Rangers goal should be to be a consistent threat to win The Cup every year. Losing key players for nothing via UFA is a great way to shorten that window.
OverTheCap
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Sather rarely works on extensions ahead of time. If he does, it will probably be during the 2014-15 season. I highly doubt he is going to entertain the notion of extending or trading Staal two years before his contract expires.
Fitzy
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It says nothing about Jordans intentions.
It does, however, say a lot about Carolina's intentions.They already went out to acquire Jared, and were willing to outbid the Rangers on Jordan and basically give him exactly what he wanted in a contract.
Would they be willing to pay high again to get Marc? I would bet so. It'd be a big marketing deal for their team. I'm willing to bet they'd hand Jared a spot on the 4th line just to make headlines.
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