Proposal: Trade Proposal Thread: Part 61

[DAChampion]

Be that as it may...it doesn't change what I wrote.

and i'd argue paying 50% of his salary for the next 5 years is also poor asset management.

You're making the sunk cost fallacy. The Habs are going to be overpaying for Price in 2026 regardless.

 

[417]

Gallaghers contract is too long to retain on unless the number is tiny. Price and Petry with 3+/4+ years is also a pretty long time to have that much dead cap even if we are rebuilding. Bergevin really put us in a bad spot with the terms of these contracts.

It doesn't make sense lol

Petry for example, before this disaster of a season, would anyone had suggested that a guy whose averaged 42pts a year the last 4 years and over 23mins a game is a player/contract we're so desperate to get rid of, that we're going to pay half of his salary so he can play on another team so we can get some future assets?

I don't know lol i'm good.

 

[417]

You're making the sunk cost fallacy. The Habs are going to be overpaying for Price in 2026 regardless.

They've been overpaying for him from the moment they signed him to that contract.

Show me a deal that makes this proposition worth it and sure, i'll agree to it.

But i'm not paying 50% of Price salary for another 5 yeas for a late 1st and a couple of B-level prospects.

There would have to be a ridiculous overpayment in terms of futures for this to even be feasible.

At which point, does it make sense for the other team? You could find a goalie who won't cost you as much in assets.

 

[DAChampion]

They've been overpaying for him from the moment they signed him to that contract.

Show me a deal that makes this proposition worth it and sure, i'll agree to it.

But i'm not paying 50% of Price salary for another 5 yeas for a late 1st and a couple of B-level prospects.

There would have to be a ridiculous overpayment in terms of futures for this to even be feasible.

At which point, does it make sense for the other team? You could find a goalie who won't cost you as much in assets.

Option 1: Price at 100% salary for the next five years.

Option 2: Price at 50% salary for the next five years, 1st round draft pick, one or two good prospects.

I think that from a rebuilding perspective, option #2 is clearly better for the Habs.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Gallaghers contract is too long to retain on unless the number is tiny. Price and Petry with 3+/4+ years is also a pretty long time to have that much dead cap even if we are rebuilding. Bergevin really put us in a bad spot with the terms of these contracts.

If we are going to do a full rebuild. I would have no problem retaining $10M - $12M combined on all 3 (Price, Gallagher, Petry) for 3-5 years. No doubt about it, it would be a historic move cause nobody has retained that much and for that long yet. I would if we get the futures in return. Would Molson be OK with it? Not sure but if the plan is to rebuild, why not try to get additional futures like this....

$10M - $12M of Retention on Price, Gallagher, Petry
* 3- 1st round picks
* 3- Grade A prospects and/or B+ types
* Other picks

My rebuild last longer than one or two seasons. If Molson is OK with the financial part, and we are getting 3 firsts and 3 Grade A prospects, wouldn't we be dumb not to do this?

 

[Habs Halifax]

Option 1: Price at 100% salary for the next five years.

Option 2: Price at 50% salary for the next five years, 1st round draft pick, one or two good prospects.

I think that from a rebuilding perspective, option #2 is clearly better for the Habs.

If the Habs rebuild, option 2 is a no brainer. Unless some think a rebuild only last 1 or 2 years. If some fans think that, they don't know how to rebuild properly or have the patience to go through those pain years.

 

[417]

Option 1: Price at 100% salary for the next five years.

Option 2: Price at 50% salary for the next five years, 1st round draft pick, one or two good prospects.

I think that from a rebuilding perspective, option #2 is clearly better for the Habs.

Debatable.

But the question is, if you're the Owner...the one whose pockets this money is going to come out of.

Do you feel the same?

That 1st round pick is an unknown...that one or 2 good prospects, aren't great prospects. They're good.

You can't look at this from the perspective of a Habs fans who wants to tank.

You have to look at it from a perspective of an Owner who actually has to deal with the fallout from all of this.

Are we that desperate to get rid of him??

Like I said in the post above...it would have to be a gross overpayment for the Habs to carry that dead cap hit/salary for the next 5 years.

What you posted above doesn't qualify as overpayment for me.

 

[Habs Halifax]

If you want a rebuild, you can't have your steak and potato meal every day. You're going to have to eat some hot dogs for a while.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Debatable.

But the question is, if you're the Owner...the one whose pockets this money is going to come out of.

Do you feel the same?

That 1st round pick is an unknown...that one or 2 good prospects, aren't great prospects. They're good.

You can't look at this from the perspective of a Habs fans who wants to tank.

You have to look at it from a perspective of an Owner who actually has to deal with the fallout from all of this.

Are we that desperate to get rid of him??

Like I said in the post above...it would have to be a gross overpayment for the Habs to carry that dead cap hit/salary for the next 5 years.

What you posted above doesn't qualify as overpayment for me.

It's not rocket science. We are not going to retain a substantial amount unless we get the return we want. You're downplaying it too much. Like we can't retain that much and even if we do, we won't get much in return. Sure, if that's true, we don't trade them.

The goal here is to not have distractions if we rebuild and that rebuild won't be one year or two. Retain cause we don't need the cap space... because that rebuild will last 3-5 years before you start rising again and want to spend to the max cap. Then you add those 1st's and Prospects to what we have and with the top 5 picks we would get in the next 3 drafts (hopefully).

 

[DAChampion]

Debatable.

But the question is, if you're the Owner...the one whose pockets this money is going to come out of.

Do you feel the same?

That 1st round pick is an unknown...that one or 2 good prospects, aren't great prospects. They're good.

You can't look at this from the perspective of a Habs fans who wants to tank.

You have to look at it from a perspective of an Owner who actually has to deal with the fallout from all of this.

Are we that desperate to get rid of him??

Like I said in the post above...it would have to be a gross overpayment for the Habs to carry that dead cap hit/salary for the next 5 years.

What you posted above doesn't qualify as overpayment for me.

If I'm the owner, i definitely cut my losses on Price.

 

[417]

It's not rocket science. We are not going to retain a substantial amount unless we get the return we want. You're downplaying it too much. Like we can't retain that much and even if we do, we won't get much in return. Sure, if that's true, we don't trade them.

Of course not...when it ain't your money.

 

[417]

If I'm the owner, i definitely cut my losses on Price.

Maybe, maybe that's exactly what Geoff Molson is thinking...but like I said above.

Easy to say when it's not your money.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Of course not...when it ain't your money.

You make it sound like I think Molson says yes automatically which is far from the narrative I have presented. Basically, your narrative is don't even bother asking him cause the answer is no.

Molson quote: "I'm not afraid of anything but I will have questions".

 

[salbutera]

You make it sound like I think Molson says yes automatically which is far from the narrative I have presented. Basically, your narrative is don't even bother asking him cause the answer is no.

Asking your boss stupidities in the corporate world is career limiting …. That’s the point being made

 

[Sterling Archer]

Did he have a source? Or was it Kypreos giving his opinion on what he thinks will happen?

I’m sure it’s based on something he heard from someone. No idea who that someone is or how reliable they are but he’s well known and liked in hockey circles so I’m sure it’s not a friend of a neighbours friend type deal.

He did say Webers career could be over the year before it was. Everyone bashed him for it at the time but he was spot on. Weber played through excruciating pain all year before effectively retiring.

I would not value Kypreos's report on that. Did Kypreos indicate where he got that from? Have we heard of any set backs with Price other than they are taking their time which to me is the right plan.

However, it might best to just rest Price. Prolongs his career IMO. This might be in play and it would be to keep Price out of our mess of a season. Or he is having problems with his knee still. I have not heard of any major set backs. Have you?

I’ve know heard from Kypreos and not seen or heard of Price coming back anytime soon. It was initially supposed to be after Xmas but crickets since he started skating again. I think he’s better off taking the year off and getting back to 100% so he’s easier to trade.

What exactly is the issue with Price? I get the mental thing, but that was taken care of months ago. I understand that he needed time to get back in physical shape, but it's been two months already.

He had knee surgery.

 

[nhlfan9191]

Option 1: Price at 100% salary for the next five years.

Option 2: Price at 50% salary for the next five years, 1st round draft pick, one or two good prospects.

I think that from a rebuilding perspective, option #2 is clearly better for the Habs.

It’s actually interesting when you put it in that perspective. It’s definitely an all in move. Does new management and Molson have the balls to do it though?

 

[Habs Halifax]

Asking your boss stupidities in the corporate world is career limiting …. That’s the point being made

I think you should steer clear of the word "Stupidities". Historic move and the Habs are healthy finically. We likely still generate profits even after we retain but Gorton/new GM would be able to dig into that when they present that idea (if they had that idea).

Historic move yes. No fan has access to the real impacts of us retaining that much for Montreal who generates a lot of revenue.

Once again... Molson quote: "I'm not afraid of anything but I will have questions"

 

[Habs Halifax]

He had knee surgery.

Clean up type surgery from what I know. I think the issue is his LTIR reasons and they are having a very bad season where it's a bad idea to rush him back. Unless I hear of new news, that's what I believe from what I know

They may decide to shut him down for the rest of the year. That's possible. Why bring him back to this mess?

 

[417]

You make it sound like I think Molson says yes automatically which is far from the narrative I have presented. Basically, your narrative is don't even bother asking him cause the answer is no.

Not really...I just find it hilarioius that what you're essentially saying is that you want the owner to cut a cheque for a over 51M to pay half of the salaries for 3 players (Price, Petry & Gallagher) so that they can play elsewhere, in an effort to rebuild???

And you think this is at all realistic.

It's not lol but that's just me...maybe he would.

 

[417]

You make it sound like I think Molson says yes automatically which is far from the narrative I have presented. Basically, your narrative is don't even bother asking him cause the answer is no.

Molson quote: "I'm not afraid of anything but I will have questions".

Question 1: So I gotta cut Team X a cheque for 22M for Carey Price?

 

[417]

Clean up type surgery from what I know. I think the issue is his LTIR reasons and they are having a very bad season where it's a bad idea to rush him back. Unless I hear of new news, that's what I believe from what I know

They may decide to shut him down for the rest of the year. That's possible. Why bring him back to this mess?

Clean up surgery doesn't take this long...he has CHRONIC knee/hip issues.

Take that to the bank

 

[DAChampion]

Question 1: So I gotta cut Team X a cheque for 22M for Carey Price?

FYI Price's salary is heavily frontloaded.

 

[sampollock]

lets say this!

if Price gets traded then those posters that say no way .. come back on say you were wrong!!!

if he does not get traded , I will come on and say I am wrong

let's see how that works,

 

[417]

FYI Price's salary is heavily frontloaded.

Thanks - but it's more about the ideology behind it.

I get what everyone wants, i'm talking about feasibility.

Way too many people acting like this is just a formality..

It's not.

 

[417]

lets say this!

if Price gets traded then those posters that say no way .. come back on say you were wrong!!!

if he does not get traded , I will come on and say I am wrong

let's see how that works,

I don't think he's getting moved, is it impossible?

Of course not.

If you require me to come on here and say I was wrong, I will...but I was under the presumption that these are all just our thoughts, not guarantees.