HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread: From Here to Free Agency

[DAChampion]

Sure, but if I do it from a position of angry with no chance of listening to why my take could potentially be wrong that's just silly. I'm not informed relative to those people so why pretend I know it to any kind of degree they would. I'm also not saying I'm perfect and I absolutely deserve to be called out too when I'm going off on a tangent lol

The counterargument that I'm seeing is that:

- it was impossible for the Habs to beat Carolina.
- Therefore, MSL should not make any changes.

I'm failing to buy into point #1 and I don't see how the second point follows from the first.

 

[417]

The counterargument that I'm seeing is that:

- it was impossible for the Habs to beat Carolina.
- Therefore, MSL should not make any changes.

I'm failing to buy into point #1 and I don't see how the second point follows from the first.

As long as their best players played like shit, yes, it was impossible, even with changes.

 

[Kimota]

Your whole angry omnipotent hockey vibe is kind of silly. Unless you're Scotty Bowman maybe just accept that you aren't an arbiter of truth and professional coaches who've spent their life around the game and coach teams to quite successful outputs might know a thing or two. Marty has grown as a coach quite a bit, that comes from listening and taking input.

Nobody has to be Bowman to see that both Torto and Marty refused to make changes. WTF Bro why do you try creating weird narratives just trying to be a white knight for Marty. Every freaking people in the World said this. That Torto refused to make a goalie change when his goalie kept costing them games. And Marty refused to change his roster during 4 losing games. Everybody in the Hockey World was baffled by it. Not just a few posters in a message board. Even freaking Max Lapierre who has been simping for Marty the whole year. Not that Marty killed a dog. But he COULD have made a change. Just to try something. ANYTHING. Don't you think so?

 

[Kimota]

There's a big difference, a HUGE one between what the Panthers did with the players they had and what Gallagher and Xhekaj could bring with their combined 10 mins of ice time.

The Habs aren't the Panthers, not even with Gallagher and Xhekaj, all due respect.

Sure. But couldn't we have made their lives a little more difficult, maybe?

 

[HFFO]

The counterargument that I'm seeing is that:

- it was impossible for the Habs to beat Carolina.
- Therefore, MSL should not make any changes.

I'm failing to buy into point #1 and I don't see how the second point follows from the first.

The counter argument is that he believed he was icing the roster with the best chance to beat the Hurricanes. Making a change for the sake of it in the hopes it would spark something isn't tactical it's saying "f*** it, we got nothing."

 

[HFFO]

Nobody has to be Bowman to see that both Torto and Marty refused to make changes. WTF Bro why do you try creating weird narratives just trying to be a white knight for Marty. Every freaking people in the World said this. That Torto refused to make a goalie change when his goalie kept costing them games. And Marty refused to change his roster during 4 losing games. Everybody in the Hockey World was baffled by it. Not just a few posters in a message board. Even freaking Max Lapierre who has been simping for Marty the whole year. Not that Marty killed a dog. But he COULD have made a change. Just to try something. ANYTHING. Don't you think so?

Somebody disagreeing with you must be a white knight, it's a great tactic to discredit people rather than consider listening.

 

[Adam Michaels]

Uh so who is going to play on D for them?

Well if they do trade Gudas, I'm sure it's to make room to extend Trouba, who is set to become a UFA. I would like Trouba also as an option.

 

[Kimota]

Somebody disagreeing with you must be a white knight, it's a great tactic to discredit people rather than consider listening.

Because so far you have not given us any argument for Marty's actions? You defend to defend without any reasons. Why are we wrong?

You have not answered my question at the end of my prior post: Shouldn't Marty have tried something during these four games or no?

 

[417]

Sure. But couldn't we have made their lives a little more difficult, maybe?

Don't mean to be repetitive here, but made their life more difficult how?

With 2 players who when they play, barely play? These players don't drive the team, theyre depth/role players, borderline NHL caliber players if we're being honest.

 

[417]

The counter argument is that he believed he was icing the roster with the best chance to beat the Hurricanes. Making a change for the sake of it in the hopes it would spark something isn't tactical it's saying "f*** it, we got nothing."

 

[Milhouse40]

Ok -- your position is that it was impossible for the Habs to beat the Canes, and therefore MSL should not make any adjustments.

MSL actually did a lot of adjustment against Tampa and also against Buffalo. They won cause of those changes.
Cause they were targeted to fix an issue instead of just throwing shit at wall to see if something stick or what I call, the Therrien's way.

My position is : there's no one to blame for that serie and there was no adjustment possible to fix the issue which was the core players and their age and physical maturity.

 

[Kimota]

Don't mean to be repetitive here, but made their life more difficult how?

With 2 players who when they play, barely play? These players don't drive the team, theyre depth/role players, borderline NHL caliber players if we're being honest.

But in the playoffs more often than not it is so tight that the top players are neutered. Our best guys were our third and fourth liners. So adding a shit stirrer like Gally instead of Veleno could have give us some spark. X replacing Struble would have made us bigger and the other team more scared. And there is no reason X cannot play as many minutes as Struble(it's just that Marty simply does not want to). After game 3, I would have said f*** it, dress both X brothers and either Gally or Beck. You bring in a new energy and more physicality.

 

[HFFO]

But in the playoffs more often than not it is so tight that the top players are neutered. Our best guys were our third and fourth liners. So adding a shit stirrer like Gally instead of Veleno could have give us some spark. X replacing Struble would have made us bigger and the other team more scared. And there is no reason X cannot play as many minutes as Struble(it's just that Marty simply does not want to). After game 3, I would have said f*** it, dress both X brothers and either Gally or Beck. You bring in a new energy and more physicality.

He's slower, reads the play worse, handles the puck like a live grenade, consistently loses his man in coverage, should I continue? Struble's not great but he's a lot safer.

 

[Kimota]

The counter argument is that he believed he was icing the roster with the best chance to beat the Hurricanes. Making a change for the sake of it in the hopes it would spark something isn't tactical it's saying "f*** it, we got nothing."

But he was wrong. He SHOULD have said "f*** it we have nothing"...so we try something new, maybe?

He basically raised the white flag.

 

[Kimota]

He's slower, reads the play worse, handles the puck like a live grenade, consistently loses his man in coverage, should I continue? Struble's not great but he's a lot safer.

He may slower but no less effective. Struble is a liability and he barely hits. This is what Marty doesn't get is that physicality is an effective weapon, esp. in the playoffs. You lose a little bit of speed but gain a lot in other areas. Esp. when your D squad is getting man handled.

 

[Kimota]

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Let's Do Nothing!

 

[HFFO]

He may slower but no less effective. Struble is a liability and he barely hits. This is what Marty doesn't get is that physicality is an effective weapon, esp. in the playoffs. You lose a little bit of speed but gain a lot in other areas. Esp. when your D squad is getting man handled.

You're not wrong that Struble is a liability, just less of one than Xhekaj. Neither is a key piece and belongs on a cup contending roster.

But he was wrong. He SHOULD have said "f*** it we have nothing"...so we try something new, maybe?

He basically raised the white flag.

Sure, but then people would just say he's lost and doesn't know how to coach and tried anything. There's always a narrative people can spin to shit on a coach. He's done a good job, he's grown as a coach, let's cut him a little slack. People have been looking at the success of Rod and Marty and considered their own coach in a similar vein like Pavelski was a solid name in contention for the Maple Leafs job. The general consensus is that Marty is a guy who makes your team punch above it's weight and the players all seem to love playing for him. Having the buy in is like 80% of the coaches' job, when he loses the room is usually when he's fired.

 

[417]

But in the playoffs more often than not it is so tight that the top players are neutered. Our best guys were our third and fourth liners. So adding a shit stirrer like Gally instead of Veleno could have give us some spark. X replacing Struble would have made us bigger and the other team more scared

Did the Sabres seem scared when Xhekaj played all 7 games vs them in the 2nd round?

. And there is no reason X cannot play as many minutes as Struble(it's just that Marty simply does not want to). After game 3, I would have said f*** it, dress both X brothers and either Gally or Beck. You bring in a new energy and more physicality.

Because he's not a good player, that's probably the main reason why. He has his strengths and when he's playing at his best he does bring an element of intimidation, but it's often overstated and in the playoffs where no one fights, it's basically rendered useless because he again, a very limited player.

 

[waitin425]

If Marchenko is on the table....Id throw some serious weight at that guy. He is very good.

 

[417]

Let's Do Nothing!

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Let's change the volume knob on a car with no engine, that should get it working!

 

[Gandalf The Habs Fan]

If Marchenko is on the table....Id throw some serious weight at that guy. He is very good.

Me too! But I dont know what Columbus would want.

 

[417]

If Marchenko is on the table....Id throw some serious weight at that guy. He is very good.

Voronkov too!

 

[HFFO]

Voronkov too!

Voronkov's had a less than ideal season, he'd be a good bottom six addition but has skating concerns I believe.

 

[Kimota]

Let's change the volume knob on a car with no engine, that should get it working!

He made changes in the other series, though. Why not this one? Also I know you think he sucks but the only game we won in the Canes series was when Arber played. Just saying.

 

[417]

He made changes in the other series, though. Why not this one? Also I know you think he sucks but the only game we won in the Canes series was when Arber played. Just saying.

I don't think he sucks.

He didn't play in any games vs the Canes.

Suzuki, Caufield and Slaf did combine for 8pts in that game though...they had 2pts the rest of the series.

Think there might be a correlation there....