HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread: From Here to Free Agency

[JoelWarlord]

If you pay attention to how Highes operates, he's not going to just let Dach walk away for nothing as a RFA.

Even if you don't rate him, he's still an asser, if he was a pending UFA it would be a different story.

Yeah, and it's not like they'd be retaining him with the hope he'll be the 2C of the future. It'd be a 1x4M QO to play in the bottom six which doesn't prevent us from adding a Marchment/Greer/Malenstyn. 1x4M for Dach will probably end up being significantly better value than a lot of the bottom six UFA deals we'll see this summer.

In all honesty I'd like to move on but I don't mind bringing him back on a 1 year QO.

 

[ExpatHabs]

If no move is made to address the 2C hole long term this summer, my only conclusion is that they feel they have a legit shot at McDavid.

Why do we need to feed the kids dinner when their uncle will come next Christmas and bring the biggest juiciest ham they've never seen?

Sounds like deadbeat dad logic lol

 

[JoelWarlord]

Why do we need to feed the kids dinner when their uncle will come next Christmas and bring the biggest juiciest ham they've never seen?

Sounds like deadbeat dad logic lol

Sure but we wouldn't have been in a position to trade for Dobson if we threw all our picks at Andersson.

With that said I don't agree with the idea that they'd be waiting around for McDavid. I think if there's a big swing on the table we'll do it but they aren't going to trade a bunch of pieces for McTavish just to check the box.

 

[Adam Michaels]

Honestly it might be most cautious to keep Monty as the backup. Unless we are hurting for cap space, what's the rush? Fowler needs reps.

I think the debate will be if the reps in the AHL are worth more than the reps he will get in the NHL. Even if he's the back up in Montreal, he will still play around 30-35 games this year. So are those 30-35 NHL games worth more than being in the AHL? And even if he doesn't play, he will still take part in NHL practices.

 

[waffledave]

Markov was healthy for the entirety of his formative/development years and didn't play a style which involved sacrificing his body. Nevermind the fact he was a top-10 D in the league before ever being injured seriously.

That's a really, really weird comparison to be making.

Guhle is not going to evolve much from the player he is besides gaining experience, and that's fine. His development years are done, this is the player he is, and he's useful.

The comparison is in terms of injuries. Markov had multiple long term injuries in his prime years. If you're telling me people weren't concerned at that time that he was too injury prone or never going to return to form, then you weren't around or you weren't paying attention.

Guhle gets random fluke injuries, it's not the same thing recurring over and over. He could just as easily go multiple years without missing a game. Just like Markov I don't think the fact that he got hurt by fluke the last few seasons is an indication that it'll happen again.

 

[sampollock]

All quiet KH is working the phones? KH your killin us.

let's move Gally and get this board a rockin

 

[waffledave]

Why do we need to feed the kids dinner when their uncle will come next Christmas and bring the biggest juiciest ham they've never seen?

Sounds like deadbeat dad logic lol

You can't get McDavid if you signed a big fish in UFA or traded your best futures for one.

 

[sampollock]

McDavid is not coming to MTL
lets just move on from that. would have to gut the team

 

[The Great Weal]

A QO for Dach is pure insanity if it happens

 

[vokiel]

Dach has gone from exceptional and made me wonder if he's going to pass Suziuki to wondering if he's worth resigning.

That's not a drop, that a cliff jump....

Or.. you were looking at a Mirage.

 

[Sorinth]

Honestly it might be most cautious to keep Monty as the backup. Unless we are hurting for cap space, what's the rush? Fowler needs reps.

While Monty has been nothing but professional keeping him around will be too big of a distraction. It's more likely we just acquire another Kahkonen type where they can be the backup in the NHL or the starter in the AHL depending on where we think Fowler is best served after training camp.

 

[ExpatHabs]

You can't get McDavid if you signed a big fish in UFA or traded your best futures for one.

Sell Caufield or whatever you have to sell to regain those assets. Vegas does it every year, why can't we?

 

[Bombshell11]

Sell Caufield or whatever you have to sell to regain those assets. Vegas does it every year, why can't we?

You cant sell a 50 goal scorer, home grown that makes 8 mils a year. You'll never find that kind of value elsewhere.

 

[417]

I think the debate will be if the reps in the AHL are worth more than the reps he will get in the NHL. Even if he's the back up in Montreal, he will still play around 30-35 games this year. So are those 30-35 NHL games worth more than being in the AHL? And even if he doesn't play, he will still take part in NHL practices.

He's got 47 pro games under his belt, he needs to play, and play a lot IMO.

Unless he wins the starter job in Montreal, which isn't out of the realm of possibility, I'd rather he play a lot in Laval personally.

 

[Paddy17]

I don't know for McTavish as skating is a real concern. We play a transition game and have lot of odd man rushes and that fits Hage to a T.

I think Reinbacher is better to kills possession and is more physical. But he is not percutant nor violent. Engstrom is a better skater, a better puck mover and a overall a sexyer AHLer but i think we crave Reinbacher profile whereas Engstrom we already have a surplus of D with a similar profile.

Honestly, McTavish is pre-LA Danault offense with a better shot, and none of the the defense and faceoff proficiency. Speed is close to the actual Danault now. A 60-point player that's slow and not very good defensively (for now).

 

[RationalExpectations]

I think there could be many trades this offseason because only VAN will be tanking from what we know (CGY maybe too to some extent) but many teams have been failing to meet expectations (TOR FLA WPG NYR SEA NSH NJD LAK CBJ…) with management not willing to rebuild while many young teams want to take the next step (SJS CHI ANA DET…).

I really would like MTL to address 2C and RD positions (if Reinbacher is not ready for it) to avoid losing Suzuki prime years.

 

[Catanddogguitarrr]

Evans was doing PK work. Florian is barely AHL level, Beck was a raw rookie. What is this? Logical???

Evans exhausted is not better than Beck rested full shape in my book. Danault was playing better and doing fine in PK. Beck could do decent PK and bring more energy, more grit in my book. Florian could not do worse than Velenbo. We all saw that MSL didn't do any changes and the team just just got eliminated in 4 straight losts. The last 2 losts were total domination by the Canes. Most Habs players had no gas. But you are free to beleive St-Louis did the best. We'll never know if by not changing anything he was right cuz we can't change the past.

 

[Sorinth]

Guhle is not going to evolve much from the player he is besides gaining experience, and that's fine. His development years are done, this is the player he is, and he's useful.

The comparison is in terms of injuries. Markov had multiple long term injuries in his prime years. If you're telling me people weren't concerned at that time that he was too injury prone or never going to return to form, then you weren't around or you weren't paying attention.

Guhle gets random fluke injuries, it's not the same thing recurring over and over. He could just as easily go multiple years without missing a game. Just like Markov I don't think the fact that he got hurt by fluke the last few seasons is an indication that it'll happen again.

Why would you assume Guhle's development is over? Plenty of players, and D in particular have their best development years in their mid 20s. Like seriously the top UFA D this year Raddysh hadn't played a single NHL game at Guhle age and his big breakout year came at the age of 30.

 

[ExpatHabs]

While Monty has been nothing but professional keeping him around will be too big of a distraction. It's more likely we just acquire another Kahkonen type where they can be the backup in the NHL or the starter in the AHL depending on where we think Fowler is best served after training camp.

By all accounts he's been a perfect teammate and serious pro. I don't see the distraction, personally

 

[Ozmodiar]

Honestly it might be most cautious to keep Monty as the backup. Unless we are hurting for cap space, what's the rush? Fowler needs reps.

The #2 will get plenty of reps.

 

[Catanddogguitarrr]

Honestly, McTavish is pre-LA Danault offense with a better shot, and none of the the defense and faceoff proficiency. Speed is close to the actual Danault now. A 60-point player that's slow and not very good defensively (for now).

McTavish doesn't seems like a good player. He's slower than Dach and is a basicly a copy of Dach, without the injuries. Why so many posters here are crazy about that player, I don't get it.

 

[TheBuriedHab]

Byram for Knies makes too much sense.

 

[Balthazar]

A QO for Dach is pure insanity if it happens

One thing Hughes hasn’t shown so far as a GM is a willingness to let players go.

 

[Sorinth]

By all accounts he's been a perfect teammate and serious pro. I don't see the distraction, personally

As I said he's been perfectly professional, but that doesn't mean the situation wouldn't be a distraction.

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

I’d have to watch more of Ferraro i’ve never actually build any report on the guy but at first sight (while watching the other guys around him) he always looked like a LHD Carrier to me. I’d like to have a meaner 3rd LHD, they are way more common than RHDs.

Got any intel on the guy from the eye test?

My first plan for the 3rd LHD spot would be to not give up 8.5M for that player in an ideal world. Just throwing that out there.

Ferraro wouldn't be a 3rd pairing guy. He's better than Matheson


Ferraro isnt afriad to drop the gloves to stand up forna teammate. He doesnt get his ass handed to him, but his fights dont last long, though.

Blocks a bunch of shots, is physical good defensively amd durable. He"s missed 18 games over the last 4 years. I think Guhle misses 18 a year.

The downside is, he doesnt quite have that snarl. The habs would still need a top 4 RHD

He played as San Jose's number 1 dman on the defensive side. Big time PKer for them and played a lot 5 on 5 and even with San Jose finished at only -1.

A team that is more advanced and hopefully can fix their issues would make him look even better.

That is, if they went this route, which so far all the insiders are given us is nothing as it seems nothing is leaking out.

The habs would likely want to keep Guhle, nut if there is a time to explore a tradd because you can effectively replace him, this year would be it.