HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread: From Here to Free Agency

[Spearmint Rhino]

Eetu Luostarinen is still my low risk high reward target. Canes won’t be able to afford his extension next year, a swap for Kapanen makes a lot of sense.

Big bodied left shot who is buried in Florida’s centre depth. Can fill in as 2C and drop down if/when Hage is ready 2x Cup winner, same draft year as Suzuki.

 

[BLONG7]

Boeser and EP40??? I don't think it would cost us either Hage or Z but cap would have to go back.

Also just spit balling. That would be such a soft ass top 6 lol

Never said anything about EP40............said leave the 2C alone for now.

 

[Deam78]

Eetu Luostarinen is still my low risk high reward target. Canes won’t be able to afford his extension next year, a swap for Kapanen makes a lot of sense.

Big bodied left shot who is buried in Florida’s centre depth. Can fill in as 2C and drop down if/when Hage is ready 2x Cup winner, same draft year as Suzuki.

Isn’t he a winger though?

 

[badfish]

Eetu Luostarinen is still my low risk high reward target. Canes won’t be able to afford his extension next year, a swap for Kapanen makes a lot of sense.

Big bodied left shot who is buried in Florida’s centre depth. Can fill in as 2C and drop down if/when Hage is ready 2x Cup winner, same draft year as Suzuki.

He doesn't strike me as a 2C but I do like this player a lot and think it's an intriguing option. He was great in the Panthers second cup run. Not sure Id trade Kapanen for him.

 

[WinterLion]

The big problem this year is that the cap going up means not as many teams are cap crunched. We may need to wait until free agency when GM's get stupid and spend too much money... the other problem is that there aren't that many pure sellers out there... most teams are going for it or at least trying to improve now...

 

[Adam Michaels]

This is a lot more believable.

It's possible Dreger is correct. But I tend to believe the number of insiders who reported the same thing (both English and French). Dreger suddenly comes out months later and just says this? And he's the only one saying this vs. all the others who said the deal was agreed to.

I personally consider the "one minute late" story complete bullshit. Doesn't make sense. You can still make trades after the deadline, the catch is the players cant play for your team until the following season.

The one minute later makes a lot of sense to me. In February, there were reports Leafs wanted to extend Treliving. Than after the TDL, he's fired. It means Brad screwed something big for Pelley to change his mind on him. And reportedly, Pelley was in the war room with management. So he was witness to these things.

Yes, teams can make trades after the deadline. But the 3PM deadline is specifically for a player to play for your team ASAP and for the playoffs.

Sure, Habs wouldnt have had Knies for the playoffs, but they'd still get him for the next 5 years. The package of Zharovsky, Pickford, and two firsts are all futures and wouldnt have helped the Habs for the rest of the year anyway. Hughes still elects to go through with the trade in that scenario.

You really think Hughes will make a trade for a player like Knies to watch from the pressbox because he's ineligible to play for you?

On the other side, Leafs were tanking and wouldnt have cared if Knies was there for the rest of the season anyway, and if they were happy with the package they would have had no reason to not go through with it either.

Truth is Habs likely offered Zharovsky, Pickford, and two firsts. Leafs wanted Hage instead of Zharovsky. Negotiations went down to the wire but neither team budged.

Friedman, Lebrun, Lavoie, D'Amico, and others all confirmed the same thing. The trade was blocked by the NHL because the call was made a minute or so late.

The most drama I can see happening is Treliving perhaps did cave at the last minute, told Hughes it was a done deal, Hughes filed the trade with central registry, then Treliving either got cold feet and let the deadline pass, or was shut down by ownership.

I think Teliving filing it late has more to do with incompetence than changing his mind. You don't tell the other GM that they have a deal and after you hang up, you get cold feet or ownership says no. If ownership was going to refuse, they would have refused it when the talks were ongoing, not in the final moments.

Not to mention, ownership won't really get involved unless it has something to do with their franchise player. If it was Auston Matthews, I can see ownership stepping in. But Knies? Not sure it's ownership intervention worthy.

 

[morhilane]

Maybe already discussed............maybe we leave the 2C alone and we look to beef up the Wing in a Brock Beoser from the Nucks?

Spitballin.......

Boeser is very slow.

 

[domiwroze]

guys, Luostarinen is a winger, they tried him at C and he wasn’t good at all at the NHL level and also poor on the dot. He is the equivalent of a Newhook, he « can » play C but you don’t want him to.

He is so far from a 2C. Newhook, Evans and Kapanen are all better options than Luostarinen for the role

 

[morhilane]

That is a completely different summary than the alleged truth we were told last week.

Those "insiders" can't even remember what they "leaked" week after week at this point. This sound way too much like the Leafs leaking shit because they want to move Knies for x2-x3 value to someone (not the Habs, they are using the Habs to set the base value).

 

[HabsForHire]

yes its true they said this, but they also said, more recently, that they will look at improving the roster in a balanced way, without mortgaging the future.

at some point you have to mortgage some of the future to get that elusive piece. we got enough "future" to to that

 

[the]

Aweille esti de Kent Snooze a marde. Do something already!!

 

[ZUKI]

Robidas not being fired after that terrible showcase is embarrassing.

Dudes a complete R*****

2nd youngest team of the NHL, Habs went 6th in the standing, won against Buffalo and Tampa, went to the semi-finals and lost in 5 games to the team that won the Stanley Cup, with a total of 3 defeats during their entire run.

What an embarrassing showcase !

 

[Skip Bayless]

My source just told me it wont be tonight. But maybe tomorrow, or during next week.

Deal of the century.

 

[malcb33]

Eetu Luostarinen is still my low risk high reward target. Canes won’t be able to afford his extension next year, a swap for Kapanen makes a lot of sense.

Big bodied left shot who is buried in Florida’s centre depth. Can fill in as 2C and drop down if/when Hage is ready 2x Cup winner, same draft year as Suzuki.

I like this player a lot and think he has untapped potential and could play C, but he won't come cheap IMO. Also, trading for him to plug the 2C hole is asking a lot...

 

[scrubadam]

I think Zharovsky could be a PPG winger one day with positive development.

I think that even with middling development Zharovsky will end up a better player than Lafrenière is, so I wouldn't want to trade him in exchange for Lafrenière.

I've watched all of Zharovsky's games this year, and he's got all the tools you look for in a decisive first-line winger.

Zharovsky has low-key strong skating ability, is 6'2 (almost 6'3) with TONS more room to grow physically (could realistically add another 20+ pounds of muscle over 5-6 years), has very good puck-protection technique, an extremely versatile offensive skillset, is a very good playmaker, borderline-elite stick-handler, not bad defensively when he puts in the effort (with obviously still tons of room to grow), goes to the hard areas of the ice, and is generally consequent with the puck on his stick (no silly turnovers).

I think Zharovsky and Fowler duke it out for the top spot on our prospect list, and I'd have Fowler coming ahead ever-so-slightly but they are not far behind one another.

I actually prefer Zharovsky over Michael Hage as a prospect full stop.

Overall, I'd much prefer if we didn't trade any of our top-3 prospects in a trade package for an established veteran for the second line.

Given circumstances we likely won't be able to forego including at least one of those, but I'd really like for us to try.

Fowler, Hage, and Zharovsky are all amazing prospects.

thats fair if your high on Z. Would you change out Z for Hage? Do you think Hage potential to be more than a 25/30-30 guy? Laf is only 24, 6'2 and already looks to be a solid 25 goal 2nd line winger. Trochek not the ideal center but adds some nice depth down the middle.
The only big piece in the deal would be Z or Hage. Pickford is a nice prospect but very low odds with the Habs seeing how they have Hutson and Dobson so not a lot of PP time for him. I would be happy to get any value out of Dach. And the 1st is this years 28th so its no big deal.
To me its a bit of a toss up. Laf has not lived up to his first overall hype but if he was taken 3rd or 5th I think he would be on track to have a decent career. And in the new cap world his contract is really not that bad as long as he continues at 55ish point and 25-30 goals. Trocheck has a 2 year contract with a low cap hit and I think with Demi he can put up 40ish 5v5 points so its not a long term solution but a nice stop gap until McDavid signs with the habs.

 

[MarkJ]

Aweille esti de Kent Snooze a marde. Do something already!!

y dort au gaz le chauve!

 

[scrubadam]

Trocheck is NOT worth near that package. If some other idiot GM wants to offer a comaparabel package they can have him

The only thing of real value is Z and thats if you put stock into his KHL game translating to the NHL.
Would you consider Michkov an overpay for Trochek? Because Z can be the next Demi or the next Michkov or a bust.
Dach/28th/Pickford are really nothing pieces. Pickford is a nice have but he won't ever get PP time here with Hutson and Dobson around.
It comes down to how high you are on Z.

 

[scrubadam]

Interesting. So was it Hage + Z or Hage instead of Z. Look if they said ok give us Hage instead of Z I would still do that deal. Hage is not going to bring the package Knies would bring to this team.

 

[scrubadam]

He is 33 years old. Might not even be a quality NHLer in 2 years.

His contract is only for 2 more years and he makes under 6 million. He had 53 in 67 a 70 point pace last year. I think you can squeeze at least 1 more good season out of him at minimum and porbably 2. At worst his second year he takes over Danaults spot on the 3rd line. Then the year after he is gone as UFA and you sign McDavid....

 

[Habs10Habs]

The silence is killing me no rumors know nothing

It's the calm before the storm Sammy. Stay patient.

 

[Spearmint Rhino]

I like this player a lot and think he has untapped potential and could play C, but he won't come cheap IMO. Also, trading for him to plug the 2C hole is asking a lot...

My dream 2C is not him but if we are not looking to part with our top prospects I prefer him to some of the other projects.

 

[Runner77]

The silence is killing me no rumors know nothing

I’m relying on this forum’s new insider, @Skip Bayless , who says something big is coming.

 

[Spearmint Rhino]

The silence is killing me no rumors know nothing

Maybe they have a trading ban for Fathers Day

 

[Roywall]

Looking more and more that there are no good center options and if you force a trade, you will get burnt.

 

[Schooner Goon]

I would add Bolduc, Newhook and Guhle to the list of potential and good trade chip.

There's no way we trade Guhle given the lack of physicality from our other top 5 dmen. We need another Dman like Guhle (preferably who shoots right).

Let's transform the look into actual result. Yes...I'm advocating for Shane Wright. Yes, I konw, i wasn't a fan of the last playoffs I saw him in, reason why he wasn't exactly my overall No1 choice for the draft. But now, he has evolve. And will want to prove even more that we did great to go and get him. I would get Beniers first...but they won't.

Wright did great with the icetime and linemates he had.

Hell no. Shit no. Wright is slow, soft, horrible defensively, bad in the face-off dot, scared of his shadow, etc. There's a reason he isn't getting much ice time in Seattle even on a weak roster. The Carolina series taught us that we need more speed, physicality and better two-way play up front.