HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread 92 Waiting on the DRAFT Edition

[ExReHabs]

It's far too big of a risk. All of that based on a IF. Soft as poo to boot. You're all in lala land, desperately wanting the team to be better by aiming at anything that's remotely close to a solution. Pretty sure HuGo won't even entertain the idea.

Is he even soft? He’s a great two way player like Suzuki

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

It is interesting that Vancouver chose to keep Petersson rather than Miller. Why do you think that was?

Because Pettersson makes 11.5 and has a full nmc kicking in. The fallacy here is believing Vancouver chose EP40, when it might just be that their only solution was trading Miller because no one wanted EP40 for the same price, or any reasonable price.

 

[DAChampion]

Because Pettersson makes 11.5 and has a full nmc kicking in. The fallacy here is believing Vancouver chose EP40, when it might just be that their only solution was trading Miller because no one wanted EP40 for the same price, or any reasonable price.

I wonder how much they'd need to retain on Petersson to get a good return.

 

[InsideLaineBOOM]

Petersson looks like a headcase.

Pass

Laine - Pettersson - Roy
aka the Headcase line

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

You need to make your research, you probably won’t have a chance to grab a center of his caliber again..

If the red flags are confirmed, then don’t touch him. If you think it was just a bad season where he was on a bad place mentally then look at what it would cost

Stop dreaming. He's soft, makes 11.5 mil, is a snowflake that crumbles as soon as things go south, and will have a full nmc for 8 friggin years. Too many red flags, too high a risk.

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

Is he even soft? He’s a great two way player like Suzuki

I'd suggest watching his playoff tapes from last year. I watched the entire Oilers series. What a waste of 11.5 mil. And he's not nearly as good defensively than Suzuki. Completely bonkers.

 

[InsideLaineBOOM]

Malkin would be interesting, because I think Pittsburgh is eager to offload him and he could end up being cheap. Plus he’d be good to have around for Demidov.

Agreed. Malkin could be a realistic (and proficient) option as 2C if we cant find long term option now (there is imo a plethora of good options, but to nail any of them this off-season is not gonna be easy)

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

I wonder how much they'd need to retain on Petersson to get a good return.

He'll have a full NMC. We'll be boned.

 

[Mrb1p]

Is he even soft? He’s a great two way player like Suzuki

Soft as charming. Hes also not as good as Suzuki defensively, and honestly not an upgrade offensively.

 

[Saundies]

Yeah I don't want any part of Pettersson at all. I get the temptation but the contract + the question marks make it an easy no.

 

[ExReHabs]

I'd suggest watching his playoff tapes from last year. I watched the entire Oilers series. What a waste of 11.5 mil. And he's not nearly as good defensively than Suzuki. Completely bonkers.

I dont have time to watch old games, I'll take your word for it. But I was told he was kickass in the playoffs before that and the excuse for his recent playoffs was the much-rumoured knee injury, In any case, red flags aplenty for sure.

 

[ExReHabs]

Yeah I don't want any part of Pettersson at all. I get the temptation but the contract + the question marks make it an easy no.

Humour the scenario

He's a UFA, he's a 26 year old C, it's the open market with a 92.5m salary cap (as has been rumoured).
He's had the following stats in the three most recent years

2022-23	102 pts	80 gp
2023-24	89 pts	82 gp
2024-25	57pts	82 gp (projected)

What contract is he going to get? It's a tough one but I can't see him taking less than 10m/7years if he's a UFA this summer. GMs will bet cap space on a 26 year old 5th OA former 100pt player who was very near to career PPG.

I'd go so far to say that Kent Hughes would be salivating at the opportunity to add this player to this roster as a UFA.

 

[InsideLaineBOOM]

Dubois would make better sense than EP

EP fluked on a great season , hes injured often overpaid and soft as hell.
He sounds like the type of guy that cries when he kills a mosquito by accident

If EP really wanted to become a Hab.. Im imagining Laine doing a round trip to Finland and return with a can full of living mosquitoes. He walks to EP, and gives him 3 choices:
1. Laine kills all the mosquitoes in various gruesome ways while EP watches,
2. EP kills the mosquitoes by eating them alive,
3. Mosquitoes and EP are locked in a closet with see through walls (EP is naked, so that it goes fast and that Habs management can assess his mental stability) and they dont come out until each of them have stung EP. Stings are also verified by Laine slapping the mosquitoes dead afterwards (EP only needs to listen).

If EP survives this test, then he might survive as a Hab. This is my suggestion for evaluating EP's mental capacity and suitability for Habs.

 

[Shutdown]

If EP really wanted to become a Hab.. Im imagining Laine doing a round trip to Finland and return with a can full of living mosquitoes. He walks to EP, and gives him 3 choices:
1. Laine kills all the mosquitoes in various gruesome ways while EP watches,
2. EP kills the mosquitoes by eating them alive,
3. Mosquitoes and EP are locked in a closet with see through walls (EP is naked, so that it goes fast and that Habs management can assess his mental stability) and they dont come out until each of them have stung EP. Stings are also verified by Laine slapping the mosquitoes dead afterwards (EP only needs to listen).

If EP survives this test, then he might survive as a Hab. This is my suggestion for evaluating EP's mental capacity and suitability for Habs.

what

 

[DrBizz4r3]

Do you think that Xhekaj could be a piece dangle in a trade for 2C or top4 RD. I think his value is higher than his worth for certain GM. Like the type of player but will remain a specialist bottom pair D

 

[ExReHabs]

Do you think that Xhekaj could be a piece dangle in a trade for 2C or top4 RD. I think his value is higher than his worth for certain GM. Like the type of player but will remain a specialist bottom pair D

Identify a team that 1) gets physically bullied in the upcoming playoffs and has its GM panicking and 2) has so much depth of talent they could spare a 2C or 3-4D.

I think that's our target for a Xhekaj trade, I'm also not super into retaining him at all costs. He's a limited player.

 

[Saundies]

Humour the scenario

He's a UFA, he's a 26 year old C, it's the open market with a 92.5m salary cap (as has been rumoured).
He's had the following stats in the three most recent years

2022-23	102 pts	80 gp
2023-24	89 pts	82 gp
2024-25	57pts	82 gp (projected)

What contract is he going to get? It's a tough one but I can't see him taking less than 10m/7years if he's a UFA this summer. GMs will bet cap space on a 26 year old 5th OA former 100pt player who was very near to career PPG.

I'd go so far to say that Kent Hughes would be salivating at the opportunity to add this player to this roster as a UFA.

If we're going off of stats alone you're probably right.

But there's other things at play..

1) His whole fight with Miller.

We don't know the intimate details but based off of reports and what people have been saying post trade, Miller was on him to give more all the time and Pettersson kind of whined about it (not absolving Miller at all, I think he's an asshole and didn't want him here either). His GM is on record this year pretty much saying he needs to grow up:

Petey has shown up to this point that he is an extremely talented, quality player that could and should be a No. 1 centre. I believe in him. I believe that he's capable. (But) he needs to mature and understand that there are certain expectations and it does not get easier. And you need to face the music when things don't go well

2) Injury concerns

Apparently his whole fall off began after he got an injury, and at least earlier this season Canucks fans were convinced that this is what lead to his poor stats this year. As a team, our guys are injured constantly already. Do we really want to spend assets (and his cap hit) to essentially acquire a better Dach who may not be on the ice more than 60 games a year?

 

[covfefe]

It is interesting that Vancouver chose to keep Petersson rather than Miller. Why do you think that was?

Because Miller was the instigator/aggressor in several incidents that ultimately led to Hughes, Hronek, Boeser and others siding with EP.

 

[ExReHabs]

If we're going off of stats alone you're probably right.

But there's other things at play..

1) His whole fight with Miller.

We don't know the intimate details but based off of reports and what people have been saying post trade, Miller was on him to give more all the time and Pettersson kind of whined about it (not absolving Miller at all, I think he's an asshole and didn't want him here either). His GM is on record this year pretty much saying he needs to grow up:

Canucks administration seems very frustrated with EP40. Could be a red flag, could be a bad culture mix between the org and the star player. I remember how badly the Habs dealt with Subban's personality and made things worse. JT Miller is an asshole, full stop, but he could've been right about EP40's dogging it -- we won't know the truth but maybe NHL GMs would pick up.

2) Injury concerns

Apparently his whole fall off began after he got an injury, and at least earlier this season Canucks fans were convinced that this is what lead to his poor stats this year. As a team, our guys are injured constantly already. Do we really want to spend assets (and his cap hit) to essentially acquire a better Dach who may not be on the ice more than 60 games a year?

Dach is a worst case scenario and EP health and availability is not that bad. He has played through this mysterious injury of his, whatever it is. I'm not sure what to make of it.

I would contribute to your analysis with the following two aspects

3) Physical play
He's soft as all hell, it seems.

4) Physical stature
We'd prefer a big C if we could choose.

It's a tough nut to crack and I am glad the GMs making the decision on the likes of Laine and EP40 have more facts on hand than those of us speculating

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

Humour the scenario

He's a UFA, he's a 26 year old C, it's the open market with a 92.5m salary cap (as has been rumoured).
He's had the following stats in the three most recent years

2022-23	102 pts	80 gp
2023-24	89 pts	82 gp
2024-25	57pts	82 gp (projected)

What contract is he going to get? It's a tough one but I can't see him taking less than 10m/7years if he's a UFA this summer. GMs will bet cap space on a 26 year old 5th OA former 100pt player who was very near to career PPG.

I'd go so far to say that Kent Hughes would be salivating at the opportunity to add this player to this roster as a UFA.

I'm assuming you're talking of Elias Softersson. He's not gonna become UFA, as he's already signed at 11.6 mil x8 and has a full NMC kicking in on July 1st. So not only would we be acquiring a soft snowflake with injury and maturity problems who will be hard to trade away if he flounders, he'll also cost assets to acquire.

Paaaaass

 

[Apfle Strubble]

Horvat would a tremendous add, but I can't see the Isles trading him at all sadly. I put him close to Crosby in the dream category. I'm not sure about Malkin though, he's not that great at 5v5 anymore

Granlund could happen. He's a bit small but he'd cost no asset as a UFA and the proposition is pretty interesting IMO with two very potent wingers, probably the most talented linemates a team could offer this summer. Great plan B if Bennett or a trade can't happen

The timeline is a bit off for trying Demidov at center, which is a bummer because he's IMO the best theoretical fit. He'd make a top 10 C IMO and having your highest paid forward playing center makes the most sense cap-wise

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

If EP really wanted to become a Hab.. Im imagining Laine doing a round trip to Finland and return with a can full of living mosquitoes. He walks to EP, and gives him 3 choices:
1. Laine kills all the mosquitoes in various gruesome ways while EP watches,
2. EP kills the mosquitoes by eating them alive,
3. Mosquitoes and EP are locked in a closet with see through walls (EP is naked, so that it goes fast and that Habs management can assess his mental stability) and they dont come out until each of them have stung EP. Stings are also verified by Laine slapping the mosquitoes dead afterwards (EP only needs to listen).

If EP survives this test, then he might survive as a Hab. This is my suggestion for evaluating EP's mental capacity and suitability for Habs.

 

[Captain Mountain]

Pettersson and Laine both on a line with Demidov could go terrible wrong though. I probably wouldn't go there.

I'm kind of curious as to why you'd think that would ever be a line. Demidov would be a rookie, Pettersson is a no doubt top-6 center and unless Laine is more consistent 5v5, he's more of a 3rd liner at ES and PP1 force of nature. I could see two of those players playing together, but not all 3.

 

[vokiel]

Do you think that Xhekaj could be a piece dangle in a trade for 2C or top4 RD. I think his value is higher than his worth for certain GM. Like the type of player but will remain a specialist bottom pair D

I think GMs are likely to ask for him in return for their 2C, but that's if they even want to trade their 2C.

Nobody would do so without having a replacement ready at hand and productive enough to deserve a promotion.

 

[Milhouse40]

I'm assuming you're talking of Elias Softersson. He's not gonna become UFA, as he's already signed at 11.6 mil x8 and has a full NMC kicking in on July 1st. So not only would we be acquiring a soft snowflake with injury and maturity problems who will be hard to trade away if he flounders, he'll also cost assets to acquire.

Paaaaass

This is the typical MTL problem.

We need a Top 6 center.
He has to be on a perfectly good contract
He must not have injury problem and be perfect all around on the ice.

AND we need to acquire that center without giving up on one of our young guys like Caufield or Guhle or Slafkovsky or we cn't even overpaying him on the UFA....oh and he must be an establshied one in the age range of our rebuild.

And that is simply impossible to do.

Pick your poison Habs fans......or wait another 5 years to see Suzuki's contract expire.

Not going to pretend I advocate to get Pettersson precisely, but I'm realist enough to understand that we won't get that guy on our perfect dreamy little terms and it will come with some downside one way or the other.