HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread 92 Waiting on the DRAFT Edition

[Goalfield22]

This is the typical MTL problem.

We need a Top 6 center.
He has to be on a perfectly good contract
He must not have injury problem and be perfect all around on the ice.

AND we need to acquire without giving up a Caufield or Guhle or Slafkovsky to get him or overpaying him on the UFA....oh and he must be an establshied one in the age range of our rebuild.

And that is simply impossible to do.

Pick your poison Habs fans......or wait another 5 years to see Suzuki's contract expire.

Not going to pretend I advocate to get Pettersson precisely, but I'm realist enough to understand that we won't get that guy on our perfect dreamy little terms and it will come with some downside one way or the other.

100% agreed. 2C and top 4RW are is low supply. Everyone wants them.

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

This is the typical MTL problem.

We need a Top 6 center.
He has to be on a perfectly good contract
He must not have injury problem and be perfect all around on the ice.

AND we need to acquire that center without giving up on one of our young guys like Caufield or Guhle or Slafkovsky or we cn't even overpaying him on the UFA....oh and he must be an establshied one in the age range of our rebuild.

And that is simply impossible to do.

Pick your poison Habs fans......or wait another 5 years to see Suzuki's contract expire.

Not going to pretend I advocate to get Pettersson precisely, but I'm realist enough to understand that we won't get that guy on our perfect dreamy little terms and it will come with some downside one way or the other.

Get a hold of yourself. All the little strawmen you created to build a narrative with my post do not work. Do that on someone else's post.

All your invented pretentions are based rather on acquiring a 1C, which we don't need. A top 6 C isn't gonna cost the moon and I've been vocal about getting Bennett or Granlund, so piss off. I've even said im opened to overpay for Bennett, which is less than ideal.

 

[Benstheman]

Agreed. Malkin could be a realistic (and proficient) option as 2C if we cant find long term option now (there is imo a plethora of good options, but to nail any of them this off-season is not gonna be easy)

Hummm Malkin is washed up.

 

[Milhouse40]

Get a hold of yourself. All the little strawmen you created to build a narrative with my post do not work. Do that on someone else's post.

All your invented pretentions are based rather on acquiring a 1C, which we don't need. A top 6 C isn't gonna cost the moon and I've been vocal about getting Bennett or Granlund, so piss off. I've even said im opened to overpay for Bennett, which is less than ideal.

Well.....Pettersson has an injury problem?
He missed 10 games in 4 seasons.

You had that problem, the other guy it's his contract and the other guy don't want to pay for an older vet and the other guy don't want to overpay for a guy like Bennett and the other guy thinks Granlund would be too small.....

When I said : Pick your poison Habs fans......I wasn't talking to you directly.

Sooooooooorrrryyy to have taken your post....it's a forum pal, don't get things that personal.

 

[Ozmodiar]

Lefties who still have decent wheels:
- Crosby, ROR, Schenn

Slower lefties (< 50th percentile top speed, Edge data)
- granlund, zacha, Kadri, Bennett

Speedy righties:
- Barzal, Trocheck

Of the 4 players already penciled into top 6 - Suzuki, CC, Laine, Slaf - all are sub 50th percentile except Suzuki.

They could use a little pace at 2C. Too bad, Dach had good wheels.

 

[Draft]

Well.....Pettersson has an injury problem?
He missed 10 games in 4 seasons.

You had that problem, the other guy it's his contract and the other guy don't want to pay for an older vet and the other guy don't want to overpay for a guy like Bennett and the other guy thinks Granlund would be too small.....

When I said : Pick your poison Habs fans......I wasn't talking to you directly.

Sooooooooorrrryyy to have taken your post....it's a forum pal, don't get things that personal.

From what I understand, Pettersson’s injury is chronic but something he can play through. Tendinitis in his knee is what I recall reading. Has seriously impacted his skating, allegedly.

 

[salbutera]

This is the typical MTL problem.

We need a Top 6 center.
He has to be on a perfectly good contract
He must not have injury problem and be perfect all around on the ice.

AND we need to acquire that center without giving up on one of our young guys like Caufield or Guhle or Slafkovsky or we cn't even overpaying him on the UFA....oh and he must be an establshied one in the age range of our rebuild.

And that is simply impossible to do.

Pick your poison Habs fans......or wait another 5 years to see Suzuki's contract expire.

Not going to pretend I advocate to get Pettersson precisely, but I'm realist enough to understand that we won't get that guy on our perfect dreamy little terms and it will come with some downside one way or the other.

Habs need to find that depreciated asset - all roads IMO lead to Zegras.

- Talent / vision / skill / pace all meet Habs prototype

- Familiarity factor: close to Caufield from
USNTDP, played for MSL and Hughes in youth hockey - so they “know” the person behind the NHL player

- Age, contractual obligations, acquisition cost align w Habs needs / wants / abilities

- Personality - which this org puts a lot of emphasis on would thrive in Mtl market

But there is a fairly sizable unknown factor involved, can MSLs hockey whisperer abilities transform Zegras into a more complete hockey player (I.e 200ft 2C)?

A deal for Zegras has the potential to be a grandslam and if it fails, acquisition cost shouldn’t be as significant to make it regrettable, but there is no guarantee ..

 

[sampollock]

Sid would be perfect
but would this every come to be... I cant see it

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

Well.....Pettersson has an injury problem?
He missed 10 games in 4 seasons.

You had that problem, the other guy it's his contract and the other guy don't want to pay for an older vet and the other guy don't want to overpay for a guy like Bennett and the other guy thinks Granlund would be too small.....

When I said : Pick your poison Habs fans......I wasn't talking to you directly.

Sooooooooorrrryyy to have taken your post....it's a forum pal, don't get things that personal.

Don't play coy. You took my post as if it entirely represents the things you described when my post was about EP40 and no one else. It's incredibly disingenuous and dishonest. If you weren't talking to me then don't quote me. Doesn't take half a brain to understand this.

EP40 is a single case with a ton of red flags, but you decided to ignore that and pretend I have the mentality you described. Piss off.

To add to this, you then reply about his injuries when I haven't even talked about that. That was someone else.

Btw, everyone here understands nothing can be perfect, you're not some voice of reason who sees what everyone else can't see. Oh one is against this, the other is against that!! Omg! It's a friggin forum with different ideas and opinions, but omg, the revelation! Different people don't want the same things and don't have the same hang-ups. What a revelation.

 

[BLONG7]

Sid would be perfect
but would this every come to be... I cant see it

Feels like the Ray Bourque thing now...............he wanted the Cup, the Bruins were a joke, and eventually he took a trade to the Avs.................Will Sid do the same?? If he wants to play for the Cup his last 2 seasons, it will have to be in another uniform....

 

[Ozmodiar]

EP40,

We appreciate your interest in playing for the Habs. We have your information on file and will keep you in mind if any opportunities open up in the future.

Best,
HUGO

 

[Hannibal]

Do you think that Xhekaj could be a piece dangle in a trade for 2C or top4 RD. I think his value is higher than his worth for certain GM. Like the type of player but will remain a specialist bottom pair D

Do not trade him. We’ll be back to getting bullied and looking to add a player like him right after you trade him. He’ll be fine on our third pair.

Struble is the one to dangle.

 

[sampollock]

EP40,

We appreciate your interest in playing for the Habs. We have your information on file and will keep you in mind if any opportunities open up in the future.

Best,
HUGO

no way EP comes here
we are more likely to see ET (the alien) be traded here

 

[le_sean]

Feels like the Ray Bourque thing now...............he wanted the Cup, the Bruins were a joke, and eventually he took a trade to the Avs.................Will Sid do the same?? If he wants to play for the Cup his last 2 seasons, it will have to be in another uniform....

I think Sid will most likely want to stay loyal to the team he loves and try and break all of the franchise records while he’s at it.

 

[bcv]

Do not trade him. We’ll be back to getting bullied and looking to add a player like him right after you trade him. He’ll be fine on our third pair.

Struble is the one to dangle.

Tbh, there's room for both Xhekaj and Struble. Both of them don't have much value so they're not key pieces for a top6 C.

 

[hvac412]

EP40,

We appreciate your interest in playing for the Habs. We have your information on file and will keep you in mind if any opportunities open up in the future.

Best,
HUGO

 

[Miller Time]

Habs need to find that depreciated asset - all roads IMO lead to Zegras.

- Talent / vision / skill / pace all meet Habs prototype

- Familiarity factor: close to Caufield from
USNTDP, played for MSL and Hughes in youth hockey - so they “know” the person behind the NHL player

- Age, contractual obligations, acquisition cost align w Habs needs / wants / abilities

- Personality - which this org puts a lot of emphasis on would thrive in Mtl market

But there is a fairly sizable unknown factor involved, can MSLs hockey whisperer abilities transform Zegras into a more complete hockey player (I.e 200ft 2C)?

A deal for Zegras has the potential to be a grandslam and if it fails, acquisition cost shouldn’t be as significant to make it regrettable, but there is no guarantee ..

He seems like the obvious & most likely target for all the reasons you've identified.

his trajectory bodes very well for a "change of scenery" bounce back to the elite ceiling he looked on track for early in his career...

His play this year in particular, not so much in the scoring output, but in the buy-in (to a mediocre coaching approach) and nightly compete-level, suggests an athlete whose emotional maturity has improved. The talent has always been there, he seems to have taken his dose of humble pie in stride.

Montreal is a near perfect fit from a roster, org leadership, coaching and familiarity pov.

 

[Ozmodiar]

no way EP comes here
we are more likely to see ET (the alien) be traded here

Would we notice the difference?

See if he bites on “puck for Reece’s pieces” sign in warmup?

 

[vokiel]

Do not trade him. We’ll be back to getting bullied and looking to add a player like him right after you trade him. He’ll be fine on our third pair.

Struble is the one to dangle.

We'll get Tuch and other tough customers eventually. I'm more worried what trading him too early will do to his brother.

If the return for both is a 2nd C though, you have to pull that trigger. Just like we had to pull on Dach for PLD.

 

[LaP]

Habs need to find that depreciated asset - all roads IMO lead to Zegras.

- Talent / vision / skill / pace all meet Habs prototype

- Familiarity factor: close to Caufield from
USNTDP, played for MSL and Hughes in youth hockey - so they “know” the person behind the NHL player

- Age, contractual obligations, acquisition cost align w Habs needs / wants / abilities

- Personality - which this org puts a lot of emphasis on would thrive in Mtl market

But there is a fairly sizable unknown factor involved, can MSLs hockey whisperer abilities transform Zegras into a more complete hockey player (I.e 200ft 2C)?

A deal for Zegras has the potential to be a grandslam and if it fails, acquisition cost shouldn’t be as significant to make it regrettable, but there is no guarantee ..

The only road that leads to Zegras is the flopidy road.

Have you seen him play the last two years?

 

[vokiel]

The only road that leads to Zegras is the flopidy road.

Have you seen him play the last two years?

We could try selling Dach with a bunch of picks to Anaheim. I bet they think about it.

 

[Hannibal]

We'll get Tuch and other tough customers eventually. I'm more worried what trading him too early will do to his brother.

If the return for both is a 2nd C though, you have to pull that trigger. Just like we had to pull on Dach for PLD.

Tuch is tough but he doesnt have the presence that Arber has.

 

[vokiel]

Tuch is tough but he doesnt have the presence that Arber has.

For sure, or he may develop it with time. It's just a question of return on investment. If getting a 2nd C nets you a bigger return because of Demidov's development than keeping Xhekaj because of an intimidating presence, I'd do the move.

Having both would be great, but I doubt we'll be able to acquire a 2nd C without any sacrifices.

 

[Miller Time]

The only road that leads to Zegras is the flopidy road.

Have you seen him play the last two years?

Have you actually watched him play the last two seasons?

He's been inconsistent, and struggled to adapt to Cronin (as have many of their talented youth have), but he's shown improved effort and since returning from his most recent injury has found a way to regain a solid rate of production while helping the Ducks play some of their best hockey of the season.

 

[salbutera]

The only road that leads to Zegras is the flopidy road.

Have you seen him play the last two years?

Little ball of hate & his curmudgeon coach are a very poor fit for Zegras I’m convinced of that - but that doesn’t guarantee success under MSL, even though I find MSL + HuGo seem to get more out of skilled players better (along with Adam Nicholas effect)

I would still take my chances given acquisition cost not being jaw dropping (Mailloux + later pick of Habs 1sts) + contract / AAV being very digestible (1-yr / $5.75M)